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looks like 3 1965 gran sport rivs are coming up for auction at BJ on thursday

havent even checked other days

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Does any one think that the prices are beginning to wane? 

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Check out the white one with 13,500 original miles and look at the Gran Sport emblem on the rear panel.  Looks like the emblem from the Skylark series.  Either someone swapped it out or is it possible that it was installed at the factory this way by mistake?

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  Steve, thanks for posting these links.

  The turquoise/white `65 GS once belonged to a fellow named John Wright. The first time I saw this car was at the ROA annual meet in Indianapolis in `86 or `87. I probably still have "Polaroids" of this car from then. The car appears now, with all its idiosyncrasies, just as it did then except I dont remember the staining in the trunk. I usually attend one or two auction house events in Scottsdale every year but not this year. Wish I could be there to inspect this car now, with 30 years of additional knowledge and experience.

  The maroon GS is the same car which sold for well over $100K, maybe $115K, a few years ago in Scottsdale at a different auction house. That auction house usually presents high end exotics so it will be interesting to see how a much different audience embraces this car.

Tom Mooney

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2 hours ago, Pat Curran said:

Check out the white one with 13,500 original miles and look at the Gran Sport emblem on the rear panel.  Looks like the emblem from the Skylark series.  Either someone swapped it out or is it possible that it was installed at the factory this way by mistake?

Swapping emblems at the factory would be kind of hard since the Riviera was built in Flint, MI and the Skylarks were built at a different assembly plant.

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8 minutes ago, RivNut said:

Swapping emblems at the factory would be kind of hard since the Riviera was built in Flint, MI and the Skylarks were built at a different assembly plant.

Good point Ed.  I wonder if the mounting studs are in the same location for both emblems?  

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40 minutes ago, RivNut said:

Swapping emblems at the factory would be kind of hard since the Riviera was built in Flint, MI and the Skylarks were built at a different assembly plant.

  Skylarks were also built at Flint assembly but on a different "line" than the big cars.

  Since the emblems on the Riviera and Skylark Gran Sports are the same in `65, the factory would have had to be "all out" on both lines to use an emblem slated to be used on the following year`s model as has been speculated in this case. Although I find that barely, remotely possible, I was told first hand by a fellow whose name was Ed Lutnik, that on several occasions he went to R and D to obtain parts being finalized for the next model year, to complete a build when the appropriate part was not available on the assembly line. This scenario would certainly apply with interchangeable parts such as emblems, wheels, etc..

  Ed Lutnik was one of the most interesting Buick people I have ever met. He apprenticed in his uncle`s dealership in the Chicago area and went on to become the lead instructor in GM`s Hillside IL training center. Ed was called up to Flint on a supposedly temporary basis to sort out problems they were having with non-functional `63 Riviera models. I believe he stayed there devoted to the Riviera/big car assembly line through the `70 model year. Ed told me many stories about the problems and their causes and he acted as a liason between the assembly line, the repair area and upper level management. If you google his name I`m sure you will find a reference to the switch pitch feature in the Super Turbine 400. Ed held the patent for the switching mechanisms. Fascinating individual and the couple of days I spent with him will always be remembered.

Tom Mooney

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5 hours ago, dr914 said:

Does any one think that the prices are beginning to wane? 

 

Makes sense.  The traditional market (i.e. old white guys) is becoming actuarially ominous, and they are either getting their affairs in order or their heirs/estates are disposing of unwanted goods.  IOW, a potential buyer has a greater selection from which to choose, which means more downward pressure on the price.

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3 hours ago, 1965rivgs said:

  Skylarks were also built at Flint assembly but on a different "line" than the big cars.

  Since the emblems on the Riviera and Skylark Gran Sports are the same in `65, the factory would have had to be "all out" on both lines to use an emblem slated to be used on the following year`s model as has been speculated in this case. Although I find that barely, remotely possible, I was told first hand by a fellow whose name was Ed Lutnik, that on several occasions he went to R and D to obtain parts being finalized for the next model year, to complete a build when the appropriate part was not available on the assembly line. This scenario would certainly apply with interchangeable parts such as emblems, wheels, etc..

  Ed Lutnik was one of the most interesting Buick people I have ever met. He apprenticed in his uncle`s dealership in the Chicago area and went on to become the lead instructor in GM`s Hillside IL training center. Ed was called up to Flint on a supposedly temporary basis to sort out problems they were having with non-functional `63 Riviera models. I believe he stayed there devoted to the Riviera/big car assembly line through the `70 model year. Ed told me many stories about the problems and their causes and he acted as a liason between the assembly line, the repair area and upper level management. If you google his name I`m sure you will find a reference to the switch pitch feature in the Super Turbine 400. Ed held the patent for the switching mechanisms. Fascinating individual and the couple of days I spent with him will always be remembered.

Tom Mooney

Hi Tom, what is your professional opinion of the different emblem?  A factory anamoly perhaps or an owner’s personal preference?  I’m not knocking the car but my curiosity got the best of me.

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11 minutes ago, Pat Curran said:

Hi Tom, what is your professional opinion of the different emblem?  A factory anamoly perhaps or an owner’s personal preference?  I’m not knocking the car but my curiosity got the best of me.

Hi Pat,

  I dont know that there is such a thing as a profesional opinion regarding something like this. If you asked me if I thought it was possible I would answer yes, but the more evidence that could be gathered (for instance if this car was at the end of the production run) the better or worse the chances. If you asked me if I thought it was likely, I would answer no.

  Having stated the above and regarding the use of emblems at Buick in the mid sixties...we all know there were two versions of the Riviera Gran Sport scripts in `65. Most folks dont know that there were also 2 versions of the Skylark Gran Sport grille emblems in `65. In `66 the Wildcat started the model year with a cursive style "Wildcat" script and changed over during the model run to block letters. I have documented a handful of `66 Wildcats which have cursive scripts on the 1/4 panels and block letters on the trunk lid! Is it possible someone changed the trunk lid? Yes, but I started watching for this anomoly when an original owner swore to me that is the way his car was delivered as new. So, there was quite a bit of swapping around of branding going on in the mid sixties....

Tom

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3 hours ago, KongaMan said:

 

Makes sense.  The traditional market (i.e. old white guys) is becoming actually ominous, and they are either getting their affairs in order or their heirs/estates are disposing of unwanted goods.  IOW, a potential buyer has a greater selection from which to choose, which means more downward pressure on the price.

OK Riviera People:  Chip's about got it. And painful it is. I'm 67 and I'm seein' old white guys, the people I've known,  droppin' like flies.  And these folks? The car people who loved the cars we love. The market has become very limited for many many cars. I think there are a few things temporary holding up prices.... but eventually they will tumble due to supply increasing  and demand decreasing due to the following.........

 

The cost of restoration is through the roof and the number of people who work on these cars has been dramatically dwindling for quite some time

They are still popular for now but Father Time is feverishly working on it's admirers and his shadow gets  it all

The fed has a 10 year T-Bill at 2 3/4% for a while and it's going up not down. There are many other things that are in competition for investment

 

 

So there you have it. So in the meantime....enjoy the ride.  Mitch

 

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I think prices have been pretty good recently! But I can’t remember a Barrett Jackson with that many first gen Rivs before so yeah we could have more cars for sale now. That might not be a bad thing ...

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The white 63 just went for 41k, not bad money for a 63, and a nicely done one.

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Saw one 64 too for sale , but didn’t get a picture of it 

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22 hours ago, Pat Curran said:

Check out the white one with 13,500 original miles and look at the Gran Sport emblem on the rear panel.  Looks like the emblem from the Skylark series.  Either someone swapped it out or is it possible that it was installed at the factory this way by mistake?

Here are some "before" pics of the white one, when it sold in June 2014 for $23,100.

 

http://www.2040-cars.com/Buick/Riviera/1965-buick-riviera-gs-425-dual-quad-13-009-original-miles--954986/

 

 

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               My car was starting to look like the pics of the white one 43 years ago which resulted in the repaint in lacquer that the car has now.

Flint put about one coat of paint on these cars when they were built. My Dad's 65 he bought new was rusting through the paint in spots when it was five years old.

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I like the before pics of this car.  Another interesting change is the spare washer fluid bottle is mounted on the drivers side.  

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