Mounted tires on 1922 Buick Rims today

[Mark Kikta]

This was a good day.  My first attempt at mounting tires on my 1922 rims was successful.  Of course I solicited some help from my wife, but we got it done.

[neil morse]

2 hours ago, Mark Kikta said:

This was a good day.  My first attempt at mounting tires on my 1922 rims was successful.  Of course I solicited some help from my wife, but we got it done.

 

I love this post.  A win-win-win!

[Fr. Buick]

That's a LOT of work!  I have been told, do it out in the sun, where the tires can get warm and a little more pliable...

[Guest]

Congratulations to both of you.  It will be easier next time.

[Morgan Wright]

Don't inflate the tires all the way until after they are mounted on the car.

[27donb]

Beautiful rims!  Painted or plated? 

[Mark Kikta]

Fr. Buick,  Well We did this in the basement because it was too cold outside.  They were pretty stiff  for sure.

 

Tinindian,  next time I will have two tire Irons and it will be easier.  It worked with one but two would be easier.

 

Morgan,   Why do you wait to fully inflate on the car?  Rim fexibility?

[Mark Kikta]

I had the rims blasted with glass beads and then painted them.  I think they came out nice. After blasting  I could even read the mfr stamped Identification inside the rims from Jaxon steel.

[Morgan Wright]

24 minutes ago, Mark Kikta said:

Morgan,   Why do you wait to fully inflate on the car?  Rim fexibility?

 

Just what the old timers tell you, people have been killed by inflating split rim tires off the car.

[cxgvd]

Congratulations, installing tires is the hardest job you can do, in my opinion,  Everything from now on will seem easier.

 

Merry Christmas, Gary

[Mark Shaw]

Mark,

    Glad to see you have brass stems.  You might want to buy a rim tool that will make this job much easier.

 

 

[Brian_Heil]

These are NOT the type of split rims that are dangerous. You are fine.  

 

I like to bounce them with ~ 5 Psi in them to help seat everything.  Sort of like a two handed dribble all the way around. 

 

Did you apply talc powder to the tube, flap, and tire?

[Mark Kikta]

Mark Shaw,

 

yes i I saw one on eBay while waiting for the tires to show up and I purchased it.  I think it was a lifesaver.  Thanks

[Grimy]

And when you mount the rims onto the wheels, be careful that the paint might prevent the rims from fully seating on the felloes.  Use a rubber mallet to seat the rims fully, and don't tighten the lug nuts too much as the bolts are soft steel.  The original lug wrenches on these cars were only about 4 or 5 inches long, so use far less torque than on demountable wheels.  I put a reference (piece of 4x4 lumber or tool box) on the ground lengthwise (paralleling the car) and slowly rotate the wheel to check for runout.  If any portion of the installed rim comes closer to the reference point than the others, the lug nuts on either side of that "high point" need to tightened a bit.

[Hubert_25-25]

Mark, 

     There are 2 different valve caps available for your brass stems.  Universal tire shows which valve cap and reducer nut you should have.  

Hugh

[Spinneyhill]

2 hours ago, Brian_Heil said:

Did you apply talc powder to the tube, flap, and tire?

I have done this and have since wondered about the wisdom of it. The talc never goes away. I used talc after noting that the soapy water I used never went away, so the rim was always wet under the tire combination.

 

My thinking now is that the tube, flap and tire are now fully lubricated with talc and can move around. For the tire, that is probably not good as under braking, they can rotate on the rim, reducing braking effort. As well, they may rotate the tube, which will pull the valve out of the tube.

 

What do you all think about this?

[Grimy]

My take is that the primary function of the talc is as dry lube to prevent heat-bonding of a portion of the tube to the casing/carcass--bonding might well cause a tear in the tube.  For those in the USA, please note that baby powder no longer contains talc, only cornstarch.  But NAPA stores carry "tire talc."

[Mark Kikta]

I used soapy water around the edges of the tire because that’s what I used working in a gas station for years.  I also used tire talc so I got lucky there.  I got the reducer nut from Lucas Tire but wasn’t sure if I needed the brass dust cover.  Guess I should get them too.

[Mark Kikta]

Great advice on checking the runout and adjustments.  I wasn’t sure how to tackle that.  I think I’ll take a look at the bearings before I put these back on.  I’ll at least check out the front ones because I hear a clicking noise when I rotate them.  

[Mark Shaw]

2 hours ago, Mark Kikta said:

wasn’t sure if I needed the brass dust cover.

Mark,

     1922 Buicks did not have brass dust covers.  Your car could have had nickel plated dust covers.

 

[Larry Schramm]

3 hours ago, Spinneyhill said:

I have done this and have since wondered about the wisdom of it. The talc never goes away. I used talc after noting that the soapy water I used never went away, so the rim was always wet under the tire combination.

 

My thinking now is that the tube, flap and tire are now fully lubricated with talc and can move around. For the tire, that is probably not good as under braking, they can rotate on the rim, reducing braking effort. As well, they may rotate the tube, which will pull the valve out of the tube.

 

What do you all think about this?

 

I believe that is one of the reasons that you need to keep the tire pressures high, like 60psi to be sure the tire does not move on the rim.

[Guest]

18 hours ago, Morgan Wright said:

 

Just what the old timers tell you, people have been killed by inflating split rim tires off the car.

The only type of rims that are potential killers are the two or three piece rims. The reason many shops will not mount tires on our "split" rims is because the two and three piece rims have been mislabeled as "split" rather than "two" or "three" piece for too many years.  Even those rims are totally safe to work on if you have a cage.

Just like "back fire" and "after fire".  One could set your car on fire and the other might blow your muffler apart and yet many people refer to either as a back fire"

Misuse of a name and misinformation are the bane of civilization.

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[Morgan Wright]

I thought backfire was when you are hand cranking a car and a cylinder fires before that cylinder's piston reaches TDC, making the engine go "back" in the wrong direction.

[JFranklin]

3 hours ago, Morgan Wright said:

I thought backfire was when you are hand cranking a car and a cylinder fires before that cylinder's piston reaches TDC, making the engine go "back" in the wrong direction.

The term for what you have described is kickback, it'll break a wrist or arm.

[Guest]

1 hour ago, JFranklin said:

The term for what you have described is kickback, it'll break a wrist or arm.

This just proves my point.

 

Have a Merry Christmas.

[unimogjohn]

Congratulations on getting four tires done in one day.  Mine usually took a day each with a lot of sweating and cussing.  Of course by the time I got to number five the job went in about 20 minutes.  You are officially in the 20s club now.  Great job.

[Morgan Wright]

8 hours ago, JFranklin said:

The term for what you have described is kickback, it'll break a wrist or arm.

 

I wonder if this makes sense:

 

1. Explosion before TDC but after intake valve closes = kickback

2. Explosion before TDC and before intake valve closes = backfire

 

Talking about hand cranking

[JFranklin]

3 hours ago, Morgan Wright said:

 

I wonder if this makes sense:

 

1. Explosion before TDC but after intake valve closes = kickback

2. Explosion before TDC and before intake valve closes = backfire

 

Talking about hand cranking

I believe any fire where it is not properly directed is considered a backfire. An ignition that is too soon causes a kickback. You can have either without the other occurring.

[Brian_Heil]

Talc.  My opinion is it helps the tube and flap get to where they need to seat at assembly and to reduce friction as the tube and tire flex as they rotate.

 

I do my best to keep it off the tire bead and rim.

 

 

Mounting tires.  First time I did it was with two large Craftsman screwdrivers.  Worst car experience ever.  Like wrestling hogs.

 

Typing on my new retirement laptop I just opened!  Thank you Wifie!

[Brian_Heil]

And ....  I made a three legged rim tool that uses a screw jack from the junk yard.  Next bought two antique tire spoons at a garage sale.  The guy thought the spoons were circus tent stakes.  Looked like they were at least used for stakes.  50 cents each.  Ha.

[Morgan Wright]

2 hours ago, JFranklin said:

I believe any fire where it is not properly directed is considered a backfire. An ignition that is too soon causes a kickback. You can have either without the other occurring.

 

 

If the intake valve is still open, I don't believe there will be a kickback. The energy will go out the valve, BOOM!

[Mark Shaw]

I am allergic to the perfumes normally found in talc, so I use corn starch. 

It's cheap, always available from the kitchen & works great.

[Brian_Heil]

My wife reports that all baby powder has been switched over to corn starch for health reasons.  My can is so old it's still talc.

 

Brother Shaw goes to the head of the class.

 

No grandkids/diapers here.  Yet.  Check your supply.  Don't get sent to grandpa jail.