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6 minutes ago, Smartin said:

I think they use "Best" brand....I imagine Russ would sell you one if you needed it.

May have been Felpro. 

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Benefits of AACA Membership.

Matt will tell you Felpro is junk and they seep.

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3 minutes ago, Smartin said:

Matt will tell you Felpro is junk and they seep.

Yes, I heard that. 

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1 minute ago, NC-car-guy said:

they are the "fiber" type not the plain metal

That would be the low compression variety and I know I have some (but try to get the valve moving without removing the head).

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14 minutes ago, Smartin said:

Matt will tell you Felpro is junk and they seep.

Maybe in some applications.  Been using Felpro since the 1960's in 264/322 without issue. (advise and recommendations from  sellers will point you to what they are selling)

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37 minutes ago, old-tank said:

Maybe in some applications.  Been using Felpro since the 1960's in 264/322 without issue. (advise and recommendations from  sellers will point you to what they are selling)

I'm quite certain I used Felpro.  Working fine in the 264. 

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You want the bad news or the badder(I know) news?  So I figured the hammer trick would not work as I'd witnessed the valve going up and down, just not returning fully. But I tried anyhow and sure enough the valve popped up, but with a rattle.  I shined my light down the intake port and could see the valve guide dropped down and clean metal. So I pulled the head.  Not sure how I'll ever get the da*n thing back on with the steering box there but...

So I can't find my valve spring compressor but there is clearly a broken piece of the valve guide stuck behind the valve. 😳  worst part? I can see it DID contact the piston.  😥Should I just pull the engine at this point? Trying to resist the urge to sell at a loss and be done.

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Pull the head. Replace the guide and valve. Or source a good replacement head.  Piston looks ok. 

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1 minute ago, avgwarhawk said:

Pull the head. Replace the guide and valve. Or source a good replacement head.  Piston looks ok. 

You think so?  Those two contact points don't seem bad?

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Your piston looks exactly like mine.  I could tell that at one time my engine had a sticking valve and hit the piston quite a bit, bending the rod in the process.  Anyhow, someone repaired both heads, but left the piston as is.  I ran my engine quite a few times and the piston seemed to do fine.  I think yours will too.  Just need to get those broken pieces out and I think you will be okay.

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1 hour ago, NC-car-guy said:

You think so?  Those two contact points don't seem bad?

No sir. 

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You can tell it hit there, so of course there's always a chance that its cracked or screwed up, but IMHO 99 percent chance that is ok. I wouldn't worry about it at all. I have seen pistons with tops that looked like they had been through a rock crusher that survived. Yours doesn't even look damaged.

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11 hours ago, NC-car-guy said:

You want the bad news or the badder(I know) news?  So I figured the hammer trick would not work as I'd witnessed the valve going up and down, just not returning fully. But I tried anyhow and sure enough the valve popped up, but with a rattle.  I shined my light down the intake port and could see the valve guide dropped down and clean metal. So I pulled the head.  Not sure how I'll ever get the da*n thing back on with the steering box there but...

So I can't find my valve spring compressor but there is clearly a broken piece of the valve guide stuck behind the valve. 😳  worst part? I can see it DID contact the piston.  😥Should I just pull the engine at this point? Trying to resist the urge to sell at a loss and be done.

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You inquired about new gasket once the head is pulled.  As you can see the nice new one that was installed is now a nice used one ready for replacement.  Stuff is like glue!   

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21 minutes ago, avgwarhawk said:

Any pic of the underside of the head?  

 

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5 minutes ago, avgwarhawk said:

Looks like it survive the carnage quite well. 

 

I have ten 322 heads. Hopefully I can find one good intake valve and guide out of all that!  56 heads are different correct?  Should be fun getting a torque wrench in next to the power steering gearbox.

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4 minutes ago, NC-car-guy said:

I have ten 322 heads. Hopefully I can find one good intake valve and guide out of all that!  56 heads are different correct?  Should be fun getting a torque wrench in next to the power steering gearbox.

 

 

I'm not sure when the heads and years each were different.   I had similar issue with torquing the head while in the car.   The only answer was purchasing a smaller torque wrench.  

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I changed a drivers side head on mine a few years ago.  I got it off with lots of grunting and farting (those heads are alot heavier than 40 years ago).   I used an engine hoist to set it in place without removing the hood. Used the same hoist to R&R the passenger side head later.

 

34 minutes ago, avgwarhawk said:

The only answer was purchasing a smaller torque wrench.  

 Nah, just use a universal impact socket...cheaper than a torque wrench, especially if you borrow one.:P

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1 minute ago, old-tank said:

I changed a drivers side head on mine a few years ago.  I got it off with lots of grunting and farting (those heads are alot heavier than 40 years ago).   I used an engine hoist to set it in place without removing the hood. Used the same hoist to R&R the passenger side head later.

 

 Nah, just use a universal impact socket...cheaper than a torque wrench, especially if you borrow one.:P

 

I pulled both heads while the motor was still installed. Hood in place.   Heavy is putting it lightly!!!   I managed.  I opted for a shorter torque wench so I could really get in there with just a socket and no extensions.  Plus I wanted one for my toolbox  so there is that!  A new tool in the box is always a nice thing.  Now that I have it I use it quite a bit over the longer torque wrench I have.  Method to the madness!   

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14 minutes ago, old-tank said:

 

 Nah, just use a universal impact socket...cheaper than a torque wrench, especially if you borrow one.:P

I have these.  And a standard torque wrench.  I always thought adding extensions and universals would throw off the amount of torque actually getting to the bolt....  Guess you'll tell me that its not significant enough and stop worrying? 😆😆

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1 minute ago, NC-car-guy said:

Guess you'll tell me that its not significant enough and stop worrying?

Yes.

Long ago we just used a breakover bar in conjunction with a "calibrated elbow" and a haphazard pattern with no issues.  Do it right if possible and don't worry if you deviate!

Checked a piston and there is lots of meat in that area.

New valve guides are cheap and not worn (RockAuto), but you will have to ream to get the stem clearance (have a machine shop do this!).  Maybe a new intake valve too since some or all of those heads may have had valve jobs done, the stems will be too short for your engine.

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Should be fun. The two machine shops are so uppity around here. There's a third one but they stopped all repair work and only build race engines! We'll see if they'll do one valve.

 

Edit: there is a guy in Germany that's been buying parts from me. He always has me drop them at this machine shop in Raleigh.  Looks like it's been there for 100years. No nonsense older guys, if you come at lunch you better bring food and tea kind of place. I just called and they said sure thing!

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1 hour ago, NC-car-guy said:

Should be fun. The two machine shops are so uppity around here. There's a third one but they stopped all repair work and only build race engines! We'll see if they'll do one valve.

 

Edit: there is a guy in Germany that's been buying parts from me. He always has me drop them at this machine shop in Raleigh.  Looks like it's been there for 100years. No nonsense older guys, if you come at lunch you better bring food and tea kind of place. I just called and they said sure thing!

 

That my friend is a beautiful thing!   

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