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Hershey 2018. Flea Market or Camp Ground/Parking Lot

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I would like to start out that The Hershey Fall Meet has the Best Car Show, Flea Market and Car Corral in the world and I wouldn't miss one. The Hershey region has a huge task planning, organizing and running this show. They do a great job year after year.

 

Last year after the Hershey Fall Car Show / Flea Market I made some comments about the use of  Vendor Spaces for Campers and parking.

 

There were definitely some mixed reviews.

 

This year the use of Vendor Spaces for Parking and Camping seems have gotten worse.

 

On Wednesday afternoon while walking through the Red Fields shopping for parts I took some photos of Campers and Car/Trucks using the Vendor Spaces for Parking and Camping (there are some photos of the Chocolate Fields mixed in).

 

It clearly states in the Hershey Regions "Vendor Registration Information"  under # 4 that "No Flea Market spaces are to be used solely for camping or parking". See attached.

 

Mike

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Mike (a.k.a. 48Woodie)...why did you start another thread here?  You now have 2 threads on the same subject.

 

Again,  you said last year and thanked me for the advice to just have a face-to-face talk with the Hershey Region people at their tent.  Your answer was nonsense saying you had spoken or contacted the "hierarchy of the AACA".  Well this is not the Hershey Region who hosts the meet.  Appears you have a "roll around" response to the many suggestions people submitted on the original deleted thread to include not speaking face-to-face wotj the people at the Hershey Region tent.

 

(Last suggestion:  Save yourself time next year by using this year's photos.  I think it would be really amusing if all these cars, trucks and camper photos will be of the vehicles when they turn 25 years old.  Young people will appreciate seeing them...? )

 

Regards,

 

Peter J.

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Hey Mike,

thanks for putting up photos of some of my spaces!, I guess the cars parked behind the Cosworth Vega  for sale is what bothered you?, Too bad you did not take a photo of the other six spaces we have across the aisle that was packed with stuff for sale. Any chance did you see the guy who scraped the driver side of the car for sale with his scooter? 

 

Oh by the way the guy with empty u haul had sold it's entire contents and delivered it Tuesday to another vendor

 

Mike you and every other spectator do not pay a dime to walk around, now if you paid admission you would have a valid point to make and argument! Parking is not admission either!  

 

Mike did you go there to have fun or look for a problem? Only you can answer that question. I stopped going to Carlisle 25 years ago because I did not enjoy it, many of my friends still do. You asked a question you were told who to contact and still find a need to complain.... 

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Before I get any more rude comments like" Maybe you should stay home" or "Why don't you stay home and shop on eBay" or "If it's to far for you to walk why are you there" or "Why don't you contact the Hershey Region?" I would like to give you a little background on my self.

 

I purchased my first car when I was 14. It was a 1935 Pontiac Convertible. By the time I got my drivers license it was rode worthy. Through high school I probably owned another 25 antique cars. Since high school I have owned close to another 75 antique cars. From a 1903 Ford to a 1950 Spohn. There have been many Buick's, Pontiac's, Plymouth's, Chevrolet's, Ford's, many Woodie Station Wagons, Chrysler Town and County Woodies, Nash's, Cadillac, Muntz Jet, Midget Racers, Cadillac's, Model T's and A's, etc.. Some I restored, some were survivor drivers, some I sold and some I still need to restore. I love the Antique Car Hobby.

 

I went to my first Hershey Fall Meet in 1976 at the age of 18. I drove by myself and slept in the back of my El Camino in  7-11 parking lot. I have only missed two since. One when my Father died and the other when I was going through cancer treatments.

 

In the late summer of 2013 I was diagnosed with cancer. I went through 6 months and caner treatments and had to miss the Fall meet of 2013. At the end of the treatments was down to 119 lbs from 190 lbs. I was barley able to walk to the bathroom with out help. I made some goals. Get back to work in my shop and make it to the 2014 Fall Meet. I started by just walking the 50 feet to my shop.  After about a month I was able to sit in the shop and plan which car I was going to restore next. After 4 years I can now work full days at my hobby.

 

My next goal was to make it to the Fall 2014 Meet. I made it but I never made it out of the Chocolate Field. I would walk one row then take a break. I spent most of my time in the Woodie booth or in friends booths sitting. But I was there ! I made it ! 

 

This is probably when I first noticed all the Campers and Cars using the Vendor Spaces for parking and camping. When you only have so much energy to use walking the market you what to use it looking at actual Vendor Spaces. I remember looking down an aisle and making the decision on whether it was worth my time to walk down that aisle.  Being Handicapped that first year back mades me see things differently.

 

I had plans to stop a the Hershey Regions booth this year but I had to leave Wednesday night due to a death in the family.

 

Since last year's Meet I have tried to contact the Hershey Region by phone and by email about my concerns. They have never responded. 

 

It has been mentioned that the Hershey Region does not read these Threads.  They do read them. One of the times I called the Hershey Region they referred to me as "Oh, you're That Guy". I also spoke with the hierarchy at the AACA and I was told that they have read this Thread.

 

If the Hershey Region advertises 9,000 Vendor Spaces then there should be 9,000 Vendor Spaces. If they say no Camping or Parking in the spaces then it should be enforced. There are Camp grounds and parking right across the street. Park your vehicle at the back of your space and vend in front. If advertise that you are open Wednesday thru Saturday then you should be. What about all they people that can't take the time off during the week and show up on Saturday only to find half the vendors are gone. Or the students that can only come on Saturday.

 I would like to see aerial photos from the last 10 years to compare.

 

It's obvious that there is some abuse with the use of spaces being used solely for camping and parking.

 

Believe me, I don't what to be "That Guy". But this needs to be addressed by the Hershey Region.

 

And I understand that Vendors have to use the bathroom, go to meetings, go to events, volunteer there time, they want to shop, have to unload and load their vehicles, that it rains, that they have to eat food, etc.. Have have been vending at different Flea Markets for 40 years, so I do understand.

 

I love this hobby and I what it to be here for generations to come.

 

Now go ahead and rip into me,

 

Mike

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3 hours ago, Peter J.Heizmann said:

Mike (a.k.a. 48Woodie)...why did you start another thread here?  You now have 2 threads on the same subject.

 

Again,  you said last year and thanked me for the advice to just have a face-to-face talk with the Hershey Region people at their tent.  Your answer was nonsense saying you had spoken or contacted the "hierarchy of the AACA".  Well this is not the Hershey Region who hosts the meet.  Appears you have a "roll around" response to the many suggestions people submitted on the original deleted thread to include not speaking face-to-face wotj the people at the Hershey Region tent.

 

(Last suggestion:  Save yourself time next year by using this year's photos.  I think it would be really amusing if all these cars, trucks and camper photos will be of the vehicles when they turn 25 years old.  Young people will appreciate seeing them...? )

 

Regards,

 

Peter J.

I started a new Thread because the first one was removed ???????

 

I have tried to contact the Hershey Region many times but have not gotten any response.

 

I did not have a chance to get to the Hershey Regions space this year because I had a death in the family and I had to leave Wednesday evening. I will try again to contact then by phone and email.

 

Mike

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2 hours ago, John348 said:

Hey Mike,

thanks for putting up photos of some of my spaces!, I guess the cars parked behind the Cosworth Vega  for sale is what bothered you?, Too bad you did not take a photo of the other six spaces we have across the aisle that was packed with stuff for sale. Any chance did you see the guy who scraped the driver side of the car for sale with his scooter? 

 

Oh by the way the guy with empty u haul had sold it's entire contents and delivered it Tuesday to another vendor

 

Mike you and every other spectator do not pay a dime to walk around, now if you paid admission you would have a valid point to make and argument! Parking is not admission either!  

 

Mike did you go there to have fun or look for a problem? Only you can answer that question. I stopped going to Carlisle 25 years ago because I did not enjoy it, many of my friends still do. You asked a question you were told who to contact and still find a need to complain.... 

At $ 16.00 a day to park, that is an admission fee. That's $ 80.00 for the week. But it's worth it. I guess it's almost cheaper to get a Vendor Space to park.

 

I have been going to Hershey for 40 years. I have a great time and get to see many things that can't see anywhere else. I will keep going until I can't physically do it.

 

I have tried countless times to contact the Hershey Region with no response. Phone calls, emails nothing.

 

Mike

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So the vendor count at hershey is decreasing. It seems there is no reliable data by what amount. The aaca seems to be saying its the hershey regions problem, talk to them. The aaca seems to find denial preferrable to quantifiable facts. A few forum commenters seem to feel that club loyalty and zeal will carry the day. At least one moderator seems to feel adult conversation is not in our best interests and we are to be shielded by the power of deletion. The fact that there is no admission charged seems to mean that since hershey is free negative comments are not warrented. Free may not seem like such a good deal to the guy that bought air line tickets, a hotel and took off 5 days of work to walk a field of pick up trucks and campers. He likely won't be back.

The fact that 9000 + vendor spaces are sold does not address the longer term health of the flea market. At some point unless a way is found to staunch the flow of a field of parking spaces instead of actual vendors hershey will collapse, or nearly so, under its own weight.

I dont have the answer to the problem but someone should at least acknowledge there is a problem and start looking for answers.

Whistling past the grave yard and deleting uncomfortable comments is actually PART of the problem........Bob

 

 

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1 hour ago, 48woodie said:

At $ 16.00 a day to park, that is an admission fee.

Mike

 

Not al all, my friend put 4 people in the car and now it's $4 to park. Leave your car at the hotel and get a cab or an uber and just walk in the gate and nobody charges you a dime! So there is no admission and don't confuse that with parking.

 

I am just amazed that you would travel there for one day just to take photos to support an argument that nobody seems to siding with you. If you think getting a vendor space is a financial advantage then why don't you get one? Park your car and put something out to sell and enjoy the day.

 

There are a lot more bigger problems in life as you pointed out then to go there for one day to take pictures to support your cause, that nobody seems to care about.

 

Why don't you rent a scooter? The group of 10 guys I am with there are a few who have the same fight as you have health wise. They rent a scooters so they can enjoy themselves and see everything,  In some of 'selective photos' some of were of our spaces two of those vehicles belong to guys who have health issues and arrive late and leave early to their hotel park on the other side so we don't have to move things for them to get out. My point is Mike other people have problems, but they make the best of it, just a thought.

 

The reason I referred to your photos as selective If you turned your position 15 degrees to the left you would have seen nothing but vendors selling, but that would not help your cause. 

 

 

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3 hours ago, 48woodie said:

I started a new Thread because the first one was removed ???????

 

I have tried to contact the Hershey Region many times but have not gotten any response.

 

I did not have a chance to get to the Hershey Regions space this year because I had a death in the family and I had to leave Wednesday evening. I will try again to contact then by phone and email.

 

Mike

 

Mike,  your original thread titled:  Hershey 2017.  Swap Meet or Parking Lot / Camp Grounds??? is still here and has not been removed.  Only moderators can delete posts or threads and I am not one.  With all the phone calls and emails you claim to have sent to the Hershey Region I would think you could at least have a few names of whom you spoke to or send copies of the emails.  Trying to help you but without some facts it would be for naught.

 

Peter J.

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One last word, it seems someone deleted my last post so maybe this one will fly.  Neither the club or region gets a dime for parking.  Unlike a lot of big shows you pay to park and you pay a gate fee. These shows are not cheap to put on but the fall meet as all other AACA meets do not charge a spectator admission.

 

 

 

The empty spaces and spaces that there is no vending going on is a serious problem.  No one should be saying it is not.  All the stakeholders in this event need to do everything possible to ensure that there is less and less of this problem.  Hopefully, we will find solutions that work for all. As I sated about the empty spaces, we heard from a lot of vendors that the problems from the past hurricane and the threat of the one at the beginning of the week kept them away. 

 

I think we all want the same thing, a strong and vibrant flea market.  It is up to us to make it happen.

 

P.S. The point I also tried to make in my last email was that the several rows of cars after cars was the region worker parking!  These folks give up vacation time and work their butts off for us to have a show.  Giving them a couple of rows of parking close to where they have to work for the day is not too much to ask as far as I am concerned. 

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Its not like the vehicles in the photos are taking slots that vendors would have if they werent there. I would actually like to see a way to condense the fields into something where you can have vendors closer together but I see why thats hard to do. I do not think these modern vehicles are taking the place of vendors or old vehicles. There are still alot of people there which is a good sign. Yes there should be a way to better manage the spots or to condense the field so that empty spaces dont stay empty. Maybe that will happen next year when the red field goes away. Right now Im happy these guys show up I dont care what they are driving. It has been this way as long as I can remember and as long as other hobbyists are willing to get out their stuff and drag it across the world to get to Hershey it should be OK for them to park their cars and trucks in their space.

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16 hours ago, John348 said:

 

Not al all, my friend put 4 people in the car and now it's $4 to park. Leave your car at the hotel and get a cab or an uber and just walk in the gate and nobody charges you a dime! So there is no admission and don't confuse that with parking.

 

I am just amazed that you would travel there for one day just to take photos to support an argument that nobody seems to siding with you. If you think getting a vendor space is a financial advantage then why don't you get one? Park your car and put something out to sell and enjoy the day.

 

There are a lot more bigger problems in life as you pointed out then to go there for one day to take pictures to support your cause, that nobody seems to care about.

 

Why don't you rent a scooter? The group of 10 guys I am with there are a few who have the same fight as you have health wise. They rent a scooters so they can enjoy themselves and see everything,  In some of 'selective photos' some of were of our spaces two of those vehicles belong to guys who have health issues and arrive late and leave early to their hotel park on the other side so we don't have to move things for them to get out. My point is Mike other people have problems, but they make the best of it, just a thought.

 

The reason I referred to your photos as selective If you turned your position 15 degrees to the left you would have seen nothing but vendors selling, but that would not help your cause. 

 

 

John,

 

I arrived on Monday and shopped Tuesday and Wednesday. I had to return home Wednesday evening due to a death in the family. Normally I would stay through Saturday.

 

My health and strength are back and I am able to walk the show again. For the first year back from my treatments I parked in the Handicapped parking lot just East of the Red Field. I only had to walk across the street.

 

Yes, other people have issues.  Walking all that extra distance past all the campers and all the spaces being used by Healthy people to park is an issue.

 

Just a thought,

 

Mike

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15 hours ago, Peter J.Heizmann said:

 

Mike,  your original thread titled:  Hershey 2017.  Swap Meet or Parking Lot / Camp Grounds??? is still here and has not been removed.  Only moderators can delete posts or threads and I am not one.  With all the phone calls and emails you claim to have sent to the Hershey Region I would think you could at least have a few names of whom you spoke to or send copies of the emails.  Trying to help you but without some facts it would be for naught.

 

Peter J.

Peter,

 

I started a new Tread a few days ago with the same title as this one that was deleted.

 

I have called the phone number provided on their web page and have left messages. I have called that same number and the receptionist says: " Someone will get back to you." (this would be the same lady who referred to me as "That Guy". I have also emailed the address given on the web page...same result...no reply.  There are no names of people because no one has gotten back to me.

 

Mike

 

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8 hours ago, billorn said:

Its not like the vehicles in the photos are taking slots that vendors would have if they werent there. I would actually like to see a way to condense the fields into something where you can have vendors closer together but I see why thats hard to do. I do not think these modern vehicles are taking the place of vendors or old vehicles. There are still alot of people there which is a good sign. Yes there should be a way to better manage the spots or to condense the field so that empty spaces dont stay empty. Maybe that will happen next year when the red field goes away. Right now Im happy these guys show up I dont care what they are driving. It has been this way as long as I can remember and as long as other hobbyists are willing to get out their stuff and drag it across the world to get to Hershey it should be OK for them to park their cars and trucks in their space.

It's not a question about parking their cars in the spaces that they are actually vending out of. It's the people that buy spaces just for parking.

 

Mike

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17 hours ago, Bhigdog said:

So the vendor count at hershey is decreasing. It seems there is no reliable data by what amount. The aaca seems to be saying its the hershey regions problem, talk to them. The aaca seems to find denial preferrable to quantifiable facts. A few forum commenters seem to feel that club loyalty and zeal will carry the day. At least one moderator seems to feel adult conversation is not in our best interests and we are to be shielded by the power of deletion. The fact that there is no admission charged seems to mean that since hershey is free negative comments are not warrented. Free may not seem like such a good deal to the guy that bought air line tickets, a hotel and took off 5 days of work to walk a field of pick up trucks and campers. He likely won't be back.

The fact that 9000 + vendor spaces are sold does not address the longer term health of the flea market. At some point unless a way is found to staunch the flow of a field of parking spaces instead of actual vendors hershey will collapse, or nearly so, under its own weight.

I dont have the answer to the problem but someone should at least acknowledge there is a problem and start looking for answers.

Whistling past the grave yard and deleting uncomfortable comments is actually PART of the problem........Bob

 

 

Dear Bob,

 

Thank you.

 

Mike

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1 hour ago, 48woodie said:

It not a question about parking their cars in the spaces that they are actually vending out of. It's the people that buy spaces just for parking.

 

Mike

 

I'm not sure of your point.  I vend at spring and fall Carlisle.  We have four contiguous spaces, one for the camper, one for the truck, and two for vending. Do you call that two for "parking"?

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I walk the entire show every year.    

 

 I enjoy doing it but it sure gets old walking down entire rows with just a few tables out and the rest being parked cars.  Or a truck will pull up and 4 guys bail out leaving an empty truck without any junk for sale.  I see it all the time.  

 

 The vending spot next to us has been empty for a couple years but it was a parking spot for at least consecutive 5 years before that.  

 

I thank Mike for showing some these pictures even if it pisses off some of the offenders.   I bet enough money is changing hands that nothing will ever become of it.  

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Bear in mind that those parked vehicles likely belong to buyers. I will start to worry when those spaces are totally empty.

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