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Hershey 2018. Flea Market or Camp Ground/Parking Lot

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3 hours ago, Janousek said:

I walk the entire show every year.    

 

 I enjoy doing it but it sure gets old walking down entire rows with just a few tables out and the rest being parked cars.  Or a truck will pull up and 4 guys bail out leaving an empty truck without any junk for sale.  I see it all the time.  

 

 The vending spot next to us has been empty for a couple years but it was a parking spot for at least consecutive 5 years before that.  

 

I thank Mike for showing some these pictures even if it pisses off some of the offenders.   I bet enough money is changing hands that nothing will ever become of it.  

Thank you,

 

Mike

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4 hours ago, joe_padavano said:

 

I'm not sure of your point.  I vend at spring and fall Carlisle.  We have four contiguous spaces, one for the camper, one for the truck, and two for vending. Do you call that two for "parking"?

If the rules for Carlisle are the same for Hershey then yes.

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2 hours ago, Restorer32 said:

Bear in mind that those parked vehicles likely belong to buyers. I will start to worry when those spaces are totally empty.

They are empty "Vendor Spaces".  You can start worrying now.

 

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I just looked at the field maps with the vendor space grids. It appears to me that the available area is laid out with identical sized spaces in a more or less "if it fits put it here" manner. In that case vendors buy whatever adjoining spaces they can for thier needs. If that's the case the vendors, rather than the controlling entity, are actually chopping up the show field with out a master plan. That's why some rows are empty or have campers. Some head to head, some side by side, some catty corner.

Wouldn't it make more sense to have an idea of the total area required for the different kinds of vendors, and their needs, and have different sized and located spaces for rent. The guys with the land barge campers would have a general area, the pick up campers another, day traders another etc etc. and all would have adequate vending area for their "stuff". The smaller vendors would all have a vending area with a parking area directly behind it. All parking would face each other across an open aisle as would the sales area. That way a buyer would look down each aisle and he would see alternate aisles of sales items or parked vehicles. It would half the wasted walking and make the whole operation more efficient and certainly more user friendly for both buyers and sellers.

Surveys would need to taken, budgets generated and funds allocated, numbers and spread sheets generated, cost benefit analysis performed, computer plans run etc etc etc. There would be bitching and complaining that would need to be assuaged.

The above would be true of any master plan to advance the Hershey show and it likely should be done in stages with necessary tweaks made as required.

The above is just a quick grab at an idea to make the show more appealing to more people. Certainly there are other and likely better ideas. Where are they? Cat got everyone's tongue? Time for planning and action.

The alternative is to let nature and evolution run it's course unimpeded. Ask the dinosaurs how that worked out.............Bob

 

 

 

 

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13 hours ago, Bhigdog said:

I just looked at the field maps with the vendor space grids. It appears to me that the available area is laid out with identical sized spaces in a more or less "if it fits put it here" manner. In that case vendors buy whatever adjoining spaces they can for thier needs. If that's the case the vendors, rather than the controlling entity, are actually chopping up the show field with out a master plan. That's why some rows are empty or have campers. Some head to head, some side by side, some catty corner.

 

Interesting thought there Bob. This could explain a LOT when it comes to the layout of the fields.

 

13 hours ago, Bhigdog said:

Wouldn't it make more sense to have an idea of the total area required for the different kinds of vendors, and their needs, and have different sized and located spaces for rent. The guys with the land barge campers would have a general area, the pick up campers another, day traders another etc etc. and all would have adequate vending area for their "stuff". The smaller vendors would all have a vending area with a parking area directly behind it. All parking would face each other across an open aisle as would the sales area. That way a buyer would look down each aisle and he would see alternate aisles of sales items or parked vehicles. It would half the wasted walking and make the whole operation more efficient and certainly more user friendly for both buyers and sellers.

Surveys would need to taken, budgets generated and funds allocated, numbers and spread sheets generated, cost benefit analysis performed, computer plans run etc etc etc. There would be bitching and complaining that would need to be assuaged.

 

Ahhh, the alternating rows suggestion trimacar posted last year. GREAT idea. This would keep parking close for vendors and organize vendors into more single walkable rows that would cut down on NEEDLESS walking for CUSTOMERS. Would appear to be a WIN-WIN. Wonder why this was not considered after last year's show when this idea was suggested then???????  I wonder if Hershey Region has been looking into Flea Market Management computer software like I suggested last year????  The Booth Tracker Software and other products like it would be a great way for Hershey Region to work smarter not harder when it comes to the flea market.  

 

BTW, if there are "parking spaces" that are not needed by vendors in some of these parking rows then Hershey Region could "Decentralize" their volunteer parking and use these available spaces for their volunteers on each of the swap meet fields. That would mean even LESS WALKING for the hard working volunteers working that particular field. 

 

13 hours ago, Bhigdog said:

Cat got everyone's tongue? Time for planning and action.

The alternative is to let nature and evolution run it's course unimpeded. Ask the dinosaurs how that worked out.............Bob

 

There were a number of good ideas posted in last year's thread on this subject. I suspect some that posted last year felt is was a waste of time to do it again this year after how they were received and/or ignored.

 

Well Bob, you asked for it so here is the list of suggestions I made last year.

 

Since we are talking about the swap meet layout maybe the following suggestions should be considered as well.

 

Car Club Tents on Vendor Spaces.  

 

How about gathering all the Car Club Tents in the Swap Meet TOGETHER in the same row(s) instead of spreading them out amongst vendors trying to sell parts???  If these tents are in a few rows, signs could be placed at the end of the rows. These signs could be nothing more than two big pieces of wood hinged at the top so they are free standing. Clubs could then thumbtack 8.5"x11" signs on this wood to advertise they have a space in the row and when their club activates are taking place. This wood sign could also note that there are No Swap Meet Vendors in this row so swap meet buyers/customers could skip the row(s).
Maybe clubs could reconsider when they hold their meetings/gatherings and have them late in the day if they are not already doing so. That way vendors who want to attend the meetings would not be closing up shop during prime selling times.

 

Commercial Vendors (ie Coker Tire, Universal Vintage Tire, Snappin Turtle Tie Downs, Meguiars, etc).

 

- How about grouping them all in rows on the same field? To some extent this is done already with Coker Tire, Universal Vintage Tire on the same field.

- How about grouping the vendors that sell trailers, trailer accessories (ie tiedowns including Snappin Turtle Tie Downs, etc) and the vendor that always has a big display of trailer tires and accessories?

- How about grouping the vendors that sell tools, sandblasting cabinets, paint equipment together? 

- What about grouping all the companies that offer services together? (ie chroming businesses, restoration companies, car radio repair companies,

upholstery companies, etc). Many of these companies/vendors come to Hershey every year so organizing them should be more predictable and thus easier.

 

Antique Insurance Companies. 

 

How about grouping these companies together (Hagerty, JC Taylor, etc). This would make it easier for their current customers to find them to conduct business. It would also make it easier for potential new customers to shop for insurance instead of walking MILES to visit these companies currently scattered ALL OVER the fields. Doing this might increase exposure for these companies and increase sales due to customers being able to find them in a much more timely manner than they can now.

 

Increasing Vendor Sales

I have seen a number of posts by vendors about decreasing and/or lackluster sales. If one reads posts in this forum from prior years this trend appears
to be happening for the last 5 or 6 years now. 

 

A couple of weekends ago my next door neighbor had a yard sale on a Sunday. Another neighbor had one as well. My next door neighbor used technology for her sale by using the Facebook Marketplace to list information about her sale and to post photos of items she was selling. Her sale was an BIG SUCCESS with 98% of her sales the DIRECT RESULT of Facebook Marketplace. The other neighbor that did not use technology had literally no sales to speak of. This example got me to thinking that Swap Meet Vendors at Fall Hershey could use Facebook Marketplace to boost their sales.


While it is true some vendors and AACA members do not have smartphones I saw PLENTY of vendors and buyers using smart phones this year.
Do vendors even know about Facebook Marketplace? Do they have any clue as to how posting some of their items on the Marketplace would open them up 
to a MUCH BIGGER potential customer base and attract YOUNGER Customers whose money is just as Green as us older folks? What about using Craigslist to advertise your vendor space at Hershey? There is a Swap Meet section on Craigslist that I see some people use for Fall Hershey and Carlisle. One again ,use Technology to Work Smarter Not Harder to make it easier for customers to find the products you are selling WITHOUT spends 2-3 days walking 15-20 miles.

 

Those vendors that are not familiar with Facebook Marketplace or Craigslist could seek out younger family members or friends that could help them post information about their Swap Meet space goodies that are For Sale.

 

Better Information for all Fall Hershey Attendees - Information Signs.

 

How about posting signs at each of the Main Spectator entrances to the swap meet?  One sign should include the RULES OF THE SWAP MEET. IE no riding of bicycles, skateboards, roller blades, etc. Making an announcement over the PA systems every few hours is Okay but that is SIMPLY NOT ENOUGH.

 

Another sign might simply post the question... Looking for parts, accessories, etc???? The Fall Hershey Program available for purchase

has a comprehensive list of vendors and is available for purchase. This sign could also tell people to check out Facebook Marketplace and/or the Harrisburg Craigslist site to see Fall Hershey Vendor information.

 

If posting these signs at all the spectator entrances is too much them post them in High traffic areas (ie where the main groups of Food Vendors are located and/or at both ends of the footbridge).

 

People who have NOT been to Fall Hershey much before have No CLUE AT ALL about the rules and could really use some help finding parts which would also boost sales of the Fall Hershey Program book and usage of Facebook Marketplace & Craigslist. 

 

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I took a LOT of photos of some items along with the vendor space location tag and texted that information to other car enthusiasts I know. Some were at Hershey and went to look at and/or BUY the items. Other friends could not be at Hershey so I offered to buy the items for them. In some cases these photos/texts resulted in SALES. 

 

Charlie

 

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The subject Hershey is always an interesting topic, of course, but I don't think any comments or suggestions on this forum will change things one iota.

 

Regardless of the difficulties noted, people keep coming, vendors keep selling, buyers keep buying, friends keep friending at Hershey, and it's the highlight and culmination of many hobbyist's year.

 

The Hershey Region will have it's hands full this coming year just trying to plan for the stadium remodeling or demolition.  A good chunk of the Red field won't be available.  I doubt they'd have time to start moving people around to give better access to vendors.

 

The other issue is that it's a logistical nightmare, once you move one person, then two more have to be moved, then four more have to be moved, and so on.

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Lots of interesting suggestions above  that are certainly worth exploring and discussion. Interested folks might want to copy them before they disappear down the deletion black hole.

My guess is little will get done other than a bit of hand wringing, followed by denial, then "it would never work" and finally the CLASSIC " We've always done it this way".

And so the AACA Titanic blithely sails into the waiting night.......................Bob

 

 

 

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19 hours ago, Restorer32 said:

Bear in mind that those parked vehicles likely belong to buyers. I will start to worry when those spaces are totally empty.

Oh, they are becoming empty.  

 

What sucks for us in the Orange field is lack of traffic.  I personally know several guys from different clubs that don't cross the bridge anymore.  Well, those guys using the chocolate field for a parking lot slow down or eliminate our traffic if they are incapable doing the entire swap meet.   Maybe those of us on the "other side of the tracks" could get some action.  Traffic on our side isn't hardly worth bringing anything anymore.  

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I have been vending at Hershey for probably 40 years with my parents and AACA club friends with RV's. Since the Green Field Days when it was grass and now the Red Field, we have had three RV's on four spaces. One of the spaces is used for vending only, two have parts along the RV's and one is solely for parking one of the vendor's RV. This allows us to watch each others spaces. We sometimes sell enough to pay for the spots, none of us are there for profit when you consider fuel cost from Ohio.  We generally set up on Tuesday and start packing around 4 PM on Friday. Next year I hope to find a space to put my 1912 McLaughlin Buick and trailer in to show at Hershey where I first saw it in 1972 when the show was in the Stadium and take on the Hangover tour along with displaying in the flea market. This will also allow me to bring some more parts for sale in the trailer. If the rules change that vendors can not have RV's in the swap meet area, a large percent of the vendors will not come to Hershey including the three of us. I do agree that vendors that have one or more spaces should be using some of them for vending not just parking. I have couple friends in the Orange Field that use two spaces for parking and two for vending. They are close but not next to each other. They prefer to vend together so someone is always at the spot. Trying to move them next to each other would be preferable but would mean moving others that probably like their location. Sometimes, health issues prevent vendors from coming thus an empty space or sold to a parker for that year. I think the best answer is Hershey Region putting in very large bold print that vendors are expected to bring antique car parts and related items for sale in at least on one of their spaces. Maybe announcements over the speakers next year would help.  They should keep the enforcement language in place but as a volunteer organization, we all know that is the last resort as they are doing this for fun too. I think small things like encouragement of vendors would be better than major changes that could bring bigger problems. Keep in mind most of the vendors at Hershey are in the hobby for fun and only vend at Hershey just like the first ones around the stadium in 1955!

 

Tom Muth

Cincinnati, Ohio

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28 minutes ago, tomcarnut said:

I have been vending at Hershey for probably 40 years with my parents and AACA club friends with RV's. Since the Green Field Days when it was grass and now the Red Field, we have had three RV's on four spaces. One of the spaces is used for vending only, two have parts along the RV's and one is solely for parking one of the vendor's RV. This allows us to watch each others spaces. We sometimes sell enough to pay for the spots, none of us are there for profit when you consider fuel cost from Ohio.  We generally set up on Tuesday and start packing around 4 PM on Friday. Next year I hope to find a space to put my 1912 McLaughlin Buick and trailer in to show at Hershey where I first saw it in 1972 when the show was in the Stadium and take on the Hangover tour along with displaying in the flea market. This will also allow me to bring some more parts for sale in the trailer. If the rules change that vendors can not have RV's in the swap meet area, a large percent of the vendors will not come to Hershey including the three of us. I do agree that vendors that have one or more spaces should be using some of them for vending not just parking. I have couple friends in the Orange Field that use two spaces for parking and two for vending. They are close but not next to each other. They prefer to vend together so someone is always at the spot. Trying to move them next to each other would be preferable but would mean moving others that probably like their location. Sometimes, health issues prevent vendors from coming thus an empty space or sold to a parker for that year. I think the best answer is Hershey Region putting in very large bold print that vendors are expected to bring antique car parts and related items for sale in at least on one of their spaces. Maybe announcements over the speakers next year would help.  They should keep the enforcement language in place but as a volunteer organization, we all know that is the last resort as they are doing this for fun too. I think small things like encouragement of vendors would be better than major changes that could bring bigger problems. Keep in mind most of the vendors at Hershey are in the hobby for fun and only vend at Hershey just like the first ones around the stadium in 1955!

 

Tom Muth

Cincinnati, Ohio

 

28 minutes ago, tomcarnut said:

I have been vending at Hershey for probably 40 years with my parents and AACA club friends with RV's. Since the Green Field Days when it was grass and now the Red Field, we have had three RV's on four spaces. One of the spaces is used for vending only, two have parts along the RV's and one is solely for parking one of the vendor's RV. This allows us to watch each others spaces. We sometimes sell enough to pay for the spots, none of us are there for profit when you consider fuel cost from Ohio.  We generally set up on Tuesday and start packing around 4 PM on Friday. Next year I hope to find a space to put my 1912 McLaughlin Buick and trailer in to show at Hershey where I first saw it in 1972 when the show was in the Stadium and take on the Hangover tour along with displaying in the flea market. This will also allow me to bring some more parts for sale in the trailer. If the rules change that vendors can not have RV's in the swap meet area, a large percent of the vendors will not come to Hershey including the three of us. I do agree that vendors that have one or more spaces should be using some of them for vending not just parking. I have couple friends in the Orange Field that use two spaces for parking and two for vending. They are close but not next to each other. They prefer to vend together so someone is always at the spot. Trying to move them next to each other would be preferable but would mean moving others that probably like their location. Sometimes, health issues prevent vendors from coming thus an empty space or sold to a parker for that year. I think the best answer is Hershey Region putting in very large bold print that vendors are expected to bring antique car parts and related items for sale in at least on one of their spaces. Maybe announcements over the speakers next year would help.  They should keep the enforcement language in place but as a volunteer organization, we all know that is the last resort as they are doing this for fun too. I think small things like encouragement of vendors would be better than major changes that could bring bigger problems. Keep in mind most of the vendors at Hershey are in the hobby for fun and only vend at Hershey just like the first ones around the stadium in 1955!

 

Tom Muth

Cincinnati, Ohio

Tom,

 

The rules are no campers or cars using spaces solely for camping or parking. Read #4.

 

You can park across the back of your spaces and sell in front of the space. I see a lot of people putting out a card table with 5 things on, I wouldn't think this counts.

 

 

Mike

 

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Here's a thing that I think about....

 

I have never vended at Hershey, but I think would like to next year to liquidate my literature collection. What kind of spots am I going to get? Am I going to stuck out on the east 40 somewhere with poor traffic, while these decent spaces are taken up with nothing in them? I realize I can be listed in the program and people could find me by looking at the Literature listings. But not everyone buys a program - I don't.

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2 hours ago, Oldsfan said:

Here's a thing that I think about....

 

I have never vended at Hershey, but I think would like to next year to liquidate my literature collection. What kind of spots am I going to get? Am I going to stuck out on the east 40 somewhere with poor traffic, while these decent spaces are taken up with nothing in them? I realize I can be listed in the program and people could find me by looking at the Literature listings. But not everyone buys a program - I don't.

 

This is what happens to our group in the orange field.   This year the foot traffic was almost nonexistent.  I applaud all the volunteers that make this event happen.  I don't like to be negative about any of it but some consolidation would be nice.  I just know as long as someone is paying for the spot then eyes are gonna look the other way.  Money and pride not to the shrink this large event are hard to overcome.  

 

I also don't mind the little scooters for the disabled, but the golf carts this year seemed to be a problem.  I had one run up the side of my foot.  Luckily for me it didn't do anything but just because your dragging a beer can doesn't mean you have the right away over foot traffic.   I thought for a while I was at the old Auburn auction park.  

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42 minutes ago, Janousek said:

 

This is what happens to our group in the orange field.   This year the foot traffic was almost nonexistent.  I applaud all the volunteers that make this event happen.  I don't like to be negative about any of it but some consolidation would be nice.  I just know as long as someone is paying for the spot then eyes are gonna look the other way.  Money and pride not to the shrink this large event are hard to overcome.  

 

I also don't mind the little scooters for the disabled, but the golf carts this year seemed to be a problem.  I had one run up the side of my foot.  Luckily for me it didn't do anything but just because your dragging a beer can doesn't mean you have the right away over foot traffic.   I thought for a while I was at the old Auburn auction park.  

I noticed this year that most electric golf carts and scooters did not have dragging cans making noise.  ??

 

Mike

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8 minutes ago, 48woodie said:

I noticed this year that most electric golf carts and scooters did not have dragging cans making noise.  ??

 

Mike

Oh well...can't have everything, Mike.

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49 minutes ago, Peter J.Heizmann said:

Oh well...can't have everything, Mike.

Dear Peter,

 

You don't have to be rude.

 

Mike

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Personally, I'm thrilled that fewer golf cars had cans dragging.  It's up in the top 5 most annoying noises that exist.

 

I will admit that Hershey would be better for us old folks if there was some organization of vendors, and less parking. 

 

That said, my wife and I vended this year, first time she could make it in a while (had to have SOMEONE in the family working!), and we did quite well.  Brought a lot of smalls, nothing big, yet still sold into 4 figures of stuff.

 

What amazes me, and I think it's been mentioned before, 30 years ago, muddy fields and all, when the rain came, vendors would set up and buyers would walk, slogging through the mud and the straw and the deep puddles.

 

Nowadays, on asphalt no less, a rainy day basically shuts down the whole market.  We were going to set up Thursday, until we saw that there were about 10 people an hour walking down our row (and I exaggerate of course).  And, we have what I've found out are pretty decent spaces, down from the Hyman tent, so people coming into the flea market have a chance of coming down our row first thing.

 

These are all random thoughts.  Hershey won't die, but by the same token, the Hershey Region needs to grab the bull by the tail and face the situation, there are a lot of less than ideal conditions that are hurting the image of the event, from empty rows to cars parking to people on all manner of conveyances that, even a few years ago, would not have been tolerated.

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31 minutes ago, 48woodie said:

Dear Peter,

 

You don't have to be rude.

 

Mike

Not being rude at all, Mike.  Your wording made it sound like you missed cans behind golf carts.

 

Why don't you start a separate thread for all your issues that way none will get lost if all jumbled into the parking issues?  Hypothetically if in say 2 weeks you add another complaint about something at Hershey it will not get buried.

 

Regards,

 

Peter J.

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5 hours ago, Oldsfan said:

Here's a thing that I think about....

 

I have never vended at Hershey, but I think would like to next year to liquidate my literature collection. What kind of spots am I going to get? Am I going to stuck out on the east 40 somewhere with poor traffic, while these decent spaces are taken up with nothing in them? I realize I can be listed in the program and people could find me by looking at the Literature listings. But not everyone buys a program - I don't.

Or you could just sell me the literature in advance and not have to worry about the weather with it getting blown away or rain soaked,  then take that fold of money and have a little fun shopping.   ;)

 

 

 

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2 hours ago, Janousek said:

This is what happens to our group in the orange field.   This year the foot traffic was almost nonexistent.  I applaud all the volunteers that make this event happen.  I don't like to be negative about any of it but some consolidation would be nice.  I just know as long as someone is paying for the spot then eyes are gonna look the other way.  Money and pride not to the shrink this large event are hard to overcome.  

 

While walking the fields on Thursday and Friday one of my friends had an idea that all in our group thought interesting. When walking the fields at Fall Hershey it is virtually impossible to walk in such a pattern where one is not forced to make a LONG walk back to one's starting point walking through an area where one has already seen everything. One friend asked WHY didn't Hershey Region ask HERCO if they (HERCO) would run their trams during Fall Hershey??? These are the same trams HERCO uses all season long to ferry Hershey Park customers from the parking lots to the Park gates.The trams would run around the outside perimeter of the fields and make it a VERY, VERY EASY for attendees to get from Orange or Green Field over to the Chocolate or Red Fields and vice-versa. 

 

Yes, the route of the trams would have to be well thought out to MINIMIZE impact on the event, MAXIMIZE safety and keep the trams on the property (since they may not be licensed to operate outside the Hershey Property). Yes, HERCO would probably have to charge riders a Fee to use this service. Everyone in my group said they would be willing to pay a small fee for a daily or weekly wrist band to ride the trams. Best of all, HERCO takes care of the trams, selling tickets/wristbands and Hershey Region DOES NOT have to use ANY MANPOWER to do this. Making it easier to get from/to the various fields would in theory INCREASE CUSTOMER TRAFFIC for vendors. This suggestion may not be possible due to logistics, etc but it might be worth at least a discussion between HERCO and Hershey Region.

 

2 hours ago, Janousek said:

I also don't mind the little scooters for the disabled, but the golf carts this year seemed to be a problem.  I had one run up the side of my foot.  Luckily for me it didn't do anything but just because your dragging a beer can doesn't mean you have the right away over foot traffic.   I thought for a while I was at the old Auburn auction park.  

 

I too do not mind the use of personal mobility devices for those people that have a need to use one. I am getting tired of getting hit by them or nearly hit by them MULTIPLE TIMES at EVERY FALL HERSHEY. In 2018 probably 1 in 30 of these devices was dragging a can which is WAY DOWN from prior years making it WAY MORE DANGEROUS to walk the fields. Even more dangerous were the hybrid vehicles moving around in the flea market area. Getting hit by one of those is much more serious.

 

On the bright side, I did near the F-350 Super Duty diesel coming up behind me on Thursday as it went up and down the isles in the flea market doing some shopping. At least this F350 did not have it's towing mirrors extended. The hybrid SUV doing some shopping on Thursday was a different story since one could not hear that vehicle coming from behind.

 

Charlie

 

 

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54 minutes ago, Peter J.Heizmann said:

Not being rude at all, Mike.  Your wording made it sound like you missed cans behind golf carts.

 

Why don't you start a separate thread for all your issues that way none will get lost if all jumbled into the parking issues?  Hypothetically if in say 2 weeks you add another complaint about something at Hershey it will not get buried.

 

Regards,

 

Peter J.

I did not bring up the scooters and golf carts...someone else did. I just agreed with them.

 

Mike

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Mike,  I suggested numerous routes for you to go last and this year with this quest of yours.  You did not use any of them (only saying you did which I highly doubt).  Going forward I am going to sit back and watch.  Have at it and good luck.

 

Regards,

 

Peter J.

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Mike,

Quit your bitchin', enjoy Hershey for what it is.  It's a swap meet, car show, car coral, gathering of friends.  If you don't like what is happening stay home, things have changed in this hobby and you have to change with the times, you're not that old if you were 18 in 1976. I've been vending for years and yes, it is not the same.  I continue to go and will continue to go.  Life is too short, look for the positives and stop being so negative, enjoy Hershey and forget all the other BS.

Pat

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1 hour ago, freeman said:

Mike,

Quit your bitchin', enjoy Hershey for what it is.  It's a swap meet, car show, car coral, gathering of friends.  If you don't like what is happening stay home, things have changed in this hobby and you have to change with the times, you're not that old if you were 18 in 1976. I've been vending for years and yes, it is not the same.  I continue to go and will continue to go.  Life is too short, look for the positives and stop being so negative, enjoy Hershey and forget all the other BS.

Pat

 

Careful freeman, posts like that will get deleted, mine did. I repeat... IT'S A FLEA MARKET...

 

Frank

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20 hours ago, 48woodie said:

 

Tom,

 

The rules are no campers or cars using spaces solely for camping or parking. Read #4.

 

You can park across the back of your spaces and sell in front of the space. I see a lot of people putting out a card table with 5 things on, I wouldn't think this counts.

 

 

Mike

 

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MIke,

 

At first I was really pissed at your comment as I was last year but then I realized you do not understand the uncommon spots we have. The four spots in the Red field our group of three vendors have are bumper to bumper not side by side like we had on the old Green Field. We use one spot solely for vending and sitting for us and friends and/or sometimes even spectators that need a place under an "easy up" to sit and rest or get out of the sun or rain. The other two have tables or parts on the ground along Two of the RV's. The other spot has a RV that is too far down the way for us to watch our stuff. We set up four long 3x8 tables, and two or three shorter tables. We also have lots of items on the pavement along the RV's In total, we probably have a row of parts along 60-70 foot of our 120 foot of space on the road. If we were parked next to each other like most of the Hershey spaces, we would have only 40 foot of vending space in front of the RV's as each space is 10x30. Our tables and space on the pavement has a lot of pre war and brass era parts like lamps along with post war car items, toy cars, book and misc. We also bring items from other club members to sell and also allow friends and sometimes passers by to store purchased parts at our spot along with providing a place for friends to get out of the weather in the RV's. It takes about two hours for the three of us to set up on Tuesday and two hours on Friday to pack up. Also about the same time to load and unload the parts and tables from the RV's at home. We vendors also have to deal with PA sales tax forms twice a year even though we vend only once. IF we had to park our RV's across the Street and walk to the space daily moving very valuable parts each time , none of us would come to Hershey as would the majority of RV/vendors. The RV's in the flea market make the event more comfortable given the changing weather conditions and a place for many that have pets to be close. While my RV is just less than the 30 foot space it occupies, most at Hershey are over 30 thus the need for two like the ones in the picture above. While three of the pictures above appear to have no parts for sale next to their RV's, one is marginal, the last one has two RVs with two large tables of parts. I have no problem with the last picture. I also have friend who has a space with a car and just a table with information about his popular speedo repair business which he mans part of the week.  I agree vendors should not use all of their spaces for solely for parking or camping. However, if large RV's are kicked out since they can not fit on a 10x30 space, Hershey will change dramatically and not for the better as many of those vendors bring lot of cool stuff and sometimes just display like the Stanley Steamer near us that Jay Leno was riding in. There was also a Duesenburg near us in Trailer behind an RV that was out for display in flea market before the Saturday show. 

 

Tom Muth

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I know you guys would not be posting if you did not care.  I applaud you for your ideas even if some do not understand all the issues involved with putting on this event.  However, while it may be cathartic to post here, it does not have the impact that a letter to the Hershey Region would have.  Address your concerns to the 2019 Fall Meet Chairman.  I am not aware that the region has many folks on this forum.  I try my best to keep abreast of your concerns, those of the national club and my personal concerns to later discuss with the region but your letters would be more impactful.  I only ask you to be respectful in your comments to these people who work their butts off on our behalf. 

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