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'41 Buick Limited on Ebay

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I emailed to ask about the $6,000 1940 Model 90 listed in Antique Automobile the day I received the magazine. The seller replied tellimg me that the car was sold.  

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Matt you know more about the old Limited's than I've forgotten.  It was a good review.  The blue & gray interior is gorgeous like your car and the Landow car in D.C.  I think I mostly would like to try and recapture a memory from 51 years ago when I first saw the car.  Nobody else who might buy the eBay car will care about it's extroadinary historical past.   The '41 Limited looks like a space ship or bullet train next to the previous Limited's to me.  There were 1223 1941 Buick Series 91 Limiteds built.  This one has survived hard driving, long storage, and repossesion.  But it has still survived and would be an excellent HPOF car in AACA.  As old Al Newman would have said in his own words, "that's not too shabby".

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Earl, That would be a very tough decision to make on Al's Limited.  I think back to the 40 Continental that   I had and would like to know what happened to that car. Also I miss the 55 Armstrong Siddeley Sapphire that I had. That was a real performer, with a Rolls Royce automatic and a Hemi 6 cylinder.  I drove that car to Hershey several times and it  was featured on a Hershey video once.  It was a beautiful car, right hand drive and it was alwauys an experience trying to pay the toll on the Pa. Turnpike! I had to go  look up former Chesapeake Region members who had Franklins. I think  Ed Hook was one and, definately, Willard Prentice had a Franklin. Right now,Eddie and I are the only Franklin owners who have Franklins. Fran Werneth always calls me Mr. Franklin! Bill Bond's Franklin is now in California and the new owner is delighted wth it. Dave 

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42 minutes ago, olympic said:

Earl, That would be a very tough decision to make on Al's Limited.  I think back to the 40 Continental that   I had and would like to know what happened to that car. Also I miss the 55 Armstrong Siddeley Sapphire that I had. That was a real performer, with a Rolls Royce automatic and a Hemi 6 cylinder.  I drove that car to Hershey several times and it  was featured on a Hershey video once.  It was a beautiful car, right hand drive and it was alwauys an experience trying to pay the toll on the Pa. Turnpike! I had to go  look up former Chesapeake Region members who had Franklins. I think  Ed Hook was one and, definately, Willard Prentice had a Franklin. Right now,Eddie and I are the only Franklin owners who have Franklins. Fran Werneth always calls me Mr. Franklin! Bill Bond's Franklin is now in California and the new owner is delighted wth it. Dave 

Dave, the Chesapeake Region name comes to me as Karl Feather who had one or many Franklins.  There was another elderly gentleman during the mid-late 1960s who had three or four of them, one was an Olympic I recall.  I also recall he worked for the Core of Engineers as did Mr. Prentice, but I can't remember is name.  Dave, it has been a tough decision for me, but I think the owner helped me make a decision tonight.  But, I'm just not going to make it final until after Judy's surgery on Monday.  I never owned or drove Al's car....I admired him as being almost supernatural doing feats I just wanted to do.  I don't think driving his car will make that transcend to me, especially at 80.  There's not even anybody here in this town to "play cars" with.  You'll see what I decided next week.  Gettin' old ain't for sissies my Dad always used to say.

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I decided to be smart for once in my life and not bite off more than I could chew.  I decided I would not by the car.  Happy Motoring. 

 

Don't forget, my '39 Buick Special 41-C 4-door convertible is for sale.  It sat on the same showfield in 1971 as this fabled 41 Buick Limited.  I need to move the other way in my life at my age.

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Hi Earl ! I am quite relieved to see you have made a very wise choice in the face of temptation. I have been concerned, but bit my tongue, not wanting to interfere with another old man's late in life love affair.    -   From a beat-up mid 70s guy in the body of a 90 year old,    Cadillac Carl  

 

  (It is impossible to REALLY know what it is like to be old until you have actually done so. For most old folk, today is likely to be the healthiest day for the rest of their lives. Make the most you can of it. Any "long range" planning must realistically take in to account how you will actually feel about things in two years, or five years ...........................)

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some guys plan and some guys do till they drop.....

 

no right or wrong way, but plans often dont make it to fruition.

 

so everyone has to decide for themselves what works.

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My hard estimate for a whole new (cloth) interior just came in.  Had it arrived last night, who knows?  Any it is $8885 in wool as original (two-tone tan).  Then you have all that wood graining, the $925 engine turned dash panels, and probably some chrome plating.  I didn't care about loss or profit, but more the actual spending of money I wouldn't have time, most likely, to recoup that I may need immediately.  I've just been through this with my 41 Roadmaster that needed nothing inside and I have more in it than I can insure it for with J.C. Taylor.  This is my 41 Roadmaster fully finished.  Although my car is a recognized CCCA Full Classic car (a/o August 2017) I'm the first to admit it is not as Classic in style as the Limited.  But, it has the same motor and running gear and will go as far and fast as a Limited.  Needless to say, had I been able to get a clear California title in May-June 2017 that Limited would have been mine.  When I couldn't I bought a much better car in the Roadmaster and restored it.  I couldn't justify two 41 Buicks that could do the same things, at my age.  Old cars are too hard to sell.

 

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LOOK AT THIS:  Now the guy has dropped the price to $19,500 after telling me he'd never go below the $20K. ?  I wanted an acquaintance to look at it and drive it.  I don't know the game.  So, "I ain't playing no more".   //shrug// 

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1941-Buick-Series-90-Limited/273557320764?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649

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No trimmer around here would work that cheap.  Proper materials are gonna run a couple grand. 

 

 Depends on the job though.  I always make sure and have the seat coils repocketed and all of the original fabric and stuffing replaced and any wood needs to be sealed and painted.  That is half the labor right there but the smell is permanetly gone and the seats sit proper.     

 

Your roadmaster is sharp but it doesn't quite have the stance as the big limited.  

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43 minutes ago, Janousek said:

No trimmer around here would work that cheap.  Proper materials are gonna run a couple grand. 

 

 Depends on the job though.  I always make sure and have the seat coils repocketed and all of the original fabric and stuffing replaced and any wood needs to be sealed and painted.  That is half the labor right there but the smell is permanetly gone and the seats sit proper.     

 

Your roadmaster is sharp but it doesn't quite have the stance as the big limited.  

Didn't I say that first?  It is still a Full Cadillac, same as a 1941 Cadillac 62.  Same engine, transmission and 165 hp dual carb setup.  As for my trimmer....he's done several for me now, and every one is exactly what he quotes.  And, the work is better than excellent.  Maybe it depends on where you live or work.  Another guy I know quoted me about $15,000.  I am not made of money.  I won an AACA National Award (first issuance of the Buick Alliance Award) with a convertible car he did for me that didn't even have enough top for a pattern.  He worked from pictures.  The car was pulled off of eBay this morning.  Maybe it sold for the $19,500, or maybe he pulled it off towards the end as he's done three 2 or 3 times before.

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Maybe it sold for the $19,500,

 

you can drop your price while the auction is running, just not in the last 24 hours.

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It was last listed at $19,500. The seller apparently sold it outside of ebay, since the listing shows as ended because of an error in the listing. As such, there is no way to know what it sold for but clearly it was not over $19,500 since that the last price listed. 

 

This listing was ended by the seller because there was an error in the listing.
 
 
 
 
 
 

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On 11/17/2018 at 9:54 AM, Dynaflash8 said:

Didn't I say that first?  It is still a Full Cadillac, same as a 1941 Cadillac 62.  Same engine, transmission and 165 hp dual carb setup.  As for my trimmer....he's done several for me now, and every one is exactly what he quotes.  And, the work is better than excellent.  Maybe it depends on where you live or work.  Another guy I know quoted me about $15,000.  I am not made of money.  I won an AACA National Award (first issuance of the Buick Alliance Award) with a convertible car he did for me that didn't even have enough top for a pattern.  He worked from pictures.  The car was pulled off of eBay this morning.  Maybe it sold for the $19,500, or maybe he pulled it off towards the end as he's done three 2 or 3 times before.

Dynaflash,  did I miss something?   I was stating that no one around here would work that cheap.  I priced up the materials for our 67 series Cadillac with the same body as this limited and it was over 2 grand for the materials.  

 

 

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Janousek, what I was replying to was your comment about my Roadmaster being nice but not stacking up to the Limited in style and presense.  I had said the same thing.  As for my trimmer, he's a proven commodity to many around here, and to me as well.  That is his price and if I'd bought the Limited he would have stuck to that down to the last dollar.  Guess I'd be lucky if I had another car to do. 🙂

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He's at least a day late and a dollar short.  I threw out a price several times, and he absolutely refused.  He's almost down to the price I had in mind and I believe will get there before he ever sells that car.  Off and on he said he'd decided to keep the car.  Last correspondence he said he was going to try and reupholster it himself............on and on....nice guy, friendly to talk to......but, once again I wasn't supposed to have that car.......ever.  So, anyway, last night I bought a 1991 Buick Park Avenue with only 3,061 miles on it.....virtually a new car for AACA touring.  So, there's no place for another pre-War car here, and no more money to spend on one.  The 1991 Park Avenue was on eBay and I had a friend go look at it and drive it yesterday.  He said it's like driving a brand new car.....always stored in a heated building, the original tires and they're nice.  That said, I think I'll get new tires before any long trips.  I'll use the R-12 until the A/C needs something.  With old cars when do you ever know who to believe and when to jump.  Meanwhile my '64 Wildcat hasn't sold and I'm getting no emails on my '39 Special convertible sedan.....not even a ridiculous offer.

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https://www.ebay.com/itm/1941-Buick-Series-90-Limited/273571149062?hash=item3fb21c7506:g:wj4AAOSw-pNb64Xl:rk:3:pf:0

 

His text has changed a bit, but he is still trying for the same price. I am almost amused by some of his new text, " I feel the price is fair, you may not agree and you are certainly entitled to your opinion. The market will dictate the price."  It sort of seems to me that by the third time you list a car at a particular car without a sale, the market might be dictating a lower price.  If I was not in the process of restoring my 1938 Century, I might consider this car. I have no need for it and no space currently, and don't have that amount of spare cash lying around. He should have taken your offer when you  made it Earl. 

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Matt,  I didn't exactly make the offer.  I was being careful while out the tour.  I said, if I were to offer you $xxxxxxx would you........?  Answer was "never".

I was, in my opinion, close to what he is asking.  But, I moved on the '91 Park Avenue last night, so it's over.  As you can imagine, a 3,000 mile car wasn't in the $800 category.  I paid what I consider a real premium, but a little less than he was asking.  But, I repeated this several times in course of conversation to see if this 41 Buick owner would say yes.  Finally I moved on.

 

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I think the price for that car is very fair. A rare car that there are few and far between of.

with that said, Im into brass and not these behemoths!  still, doesn mean I dont enjoy looking at them at a show and admiring them.

 

everyone has there own wish list.............

 

think the guys ad is reasonable. The car is what it is and nothing more..............

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5 hours ago, mercer09 said:

I think the price for that car is very fair. A rare car that there are few and far between of.

with that said, Im into brass and not these behemoths!  still, doesn mean I dont enjoy looking at them at a show and admiring them.

 

everyone has there own wish list.............

 

think the guys ad is reasonable. The car is what it is and nothing more..............

While he was trying for the last dollar and playing with the pricing, he knew I was a fish.  He missed the boat though and I got off the line.  Too late now, while nibbling at the line, a bigger fish popped up out of nowhere.  I just bought a 91 Buick Park Avenue with 3,061 actual miles on it.  Absolutely like new.  I felt that was a chance of a lifetime, but paid about 10 times more than "Charlie's Used Cars" would have wanted for a 26 year old car.  With them, it's all about age.

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He dropped the price $1,000 to $18,500 before the latest Ebay auction ended. It still ended without a purchase. It will be interesting to see if he relists it again, and if so, at what price. 

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11 hours ago, Matt Harwood said:

That makes me sad.

I agree. It would be nice to see this car go into caring, knowledgeable hands.

Earl, glad to hear about the 91 Park Avenue! Is that the one you were considering when you called me?

I have mentioned your 39 to a few buick lovers here in NC.

 

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