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'41 Buick Limited on Ebay

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I've known this car since 1967.  I tried to buy it out of California two years ago, but the guy couldn't produce a title.  A loan company had it.  I couldn't figure out how to release the title without paying off the loan.  Since the car was in California and I was in Virginia, and I wouldn't fly out there, I could not get it done.  Somehow this new owner was able to do that and raise the price by 9K.  I guess it cost a lot to ship it to Missouri.  Among the CHVA club members in the seventies and eighties this car was famous.  It made a 3 day each way trip to Baltimore and back in 1967 and 1971.  The owner and the car both had some real guts.  I'd love to have it for sentimental reasons.  It was parked in front my house outside of Baltimore both times when he came east for a show.  He passed in 1989.

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While living in NW Indiana, I bought the twin to this in SW Michigan some 40 years ago. Unfortunately a subsequent owner lost it to a garage fire. His son managed to fine another identical '41 Limited and still has it. Big and beautiful cars

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I just figured it up.  This car pulled up in front of my house in Severn, MD while I was cutting grass exactly 51 years and 5 months ago.  It was the first 41 Buick Limited I had ever seen, and I was mesmerized by it.  It returned from California again in 1971 with a full family.  By 1973 I had one of my own which I took to an AACA Senior in 1977.  I have photos of this car in my file from the 1971 trip.  Later, maybe today, I'll post one.  The owner, Al Newman of Buena Park, CA was a hard driver.  He and his daughter traveled to Pittsburgh in two days.  She stayed visiting his mother, and he picked her up on the way back to California, again making the trip in three days.  After remarrying he came back in 1971 with his new wife and now four children.  I don't think they all made that trip in three days that time.  Al became a close friend, although all the way across country.  We visited him in 1973 and I visited twice, once while attending an AACA Meet in 1979, and once while on a business trip.  Al passed away in 1989 and I never knew what happened to the car until a year and a half ago when it turned up for sale.  He also had a nice 1940 Series 80 Limited (which he also drove to the east coast once for a CHVA club tour) and an unrestored 1942 Limited.  In 1979 the '41 was in his garage, down and needing work.  I suppose that is when he rebuilt the engine.  Long time ago..............................................good memories. 

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Here is a picture of this 1941 Buick Limited 91 as it appeared on the showfield in 1971 at Bonnie Blink School in Baltimore, MD.  This event was a CHVA club National Meet.  It was the second Maryland CHVA National Meet in Baltimore that Al Newman drove this car to from California.  At the time he put CHVA on the hobby land map, and later became the National President of the club.  He had great charm and seemed to just draw people to him.

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Awesome car! I wonder why the owner chose to put it on eBay if it's a firm price. Not that I think it's a bad asking price. What are those black 5"-6" circles on the rear door panels? Aftermarket speakers?

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58 minutes ago, suchan said:

Awesome car! I wonder why the owner chose to put it on eBay if it's a firm price. Not that I think it's a bad asking price. What are those black 5"-6" circles on the rear door panels? Aftermarket speakers?

 

Sure look like speakers.

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2 hours ago, suchan said:

Awesome car! I wonder why the owner chose to put it on eBay if it's a firm price. Not that I think it's a bad asking price. What are those black 5"-6" circles on the rear door panels? Aftermarket speakers?

Yes, I think you are correct.

 

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I think I'm the "friend of a previous owner" to whom he is referring in his current description on eBay.  I've written him three times with a lot of history, but since I am currently, and unfortunately, not a prospective buyer he hasn't replied to me.  I would have bought it in the early summer of 2017, but the owner had put the title up for a loan and I couldn't figure any way to get the car.  I contacted Vault Cars in Buena Park and asked him if he would or could find a way to pay off the loan and get the car and sell it to me; but he wasn't interested.  Let's see, I tried to buy back my 1941 two-tone gray Limited that I sold in 1981 when I found it in California, but the man didn't want to sell.  I couldn't get this one in 2017, even though I knew the condition is down, but I wanted it for sentimental reasons.  Later in 2017 I bought a 1941 Roadmaster sedan and have restored it, plus I turned 80 a few days ago; so there is just no real way now.  I have a 1964 Buick Wildcat for sale on consignment at MJC Classic cars in Lakeland, FL, and in December my '39 Buick Special convertible sedan will be advertised in AACA and BCA publications.  I was going to sell the Suburban and trailer, but I think I'll wait awhile on that.  The 2020 AACA Sentimental Tour in West Virginia is beckoning me.  Maybe I can still tow that far when I'm 82; or, maybe I can drive the '41 Roadmaster.  It's not like back in Al's day.  You can't get parts or find a mechanic on the road for cars that old now, so you can't risk breaking down at mine and my wife's age.  At least, that is my opinion.  Earl Beauchamp, BCA #55, 804-366-4870

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Happy Birthday Earl !!!!  May you have many many more of them and enjoy driving your Buicks as you have had the pleasure to do for so many years.

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1 hour ago, Walt G said:

Happy Birthday Earl !!!!  May you have many many more of them and enjoy driving your Buicks as you have had the pleasure to do for so many years.

Thank you Walter.  At 80 years old it's good to be able to stand up straight and still travel some.....AACA Sentimental Tour next.  I hate pulling that closed trailer.  Then we'll relax with the cars until the AACA National Winter Meet in Ocala.  I plan to drive my 1941 Buick Roadmaster to that show.  It's 125-140 miles from my house.  Living in Florida simply separates you from all antique car activities if you love pre-WWII cars as I do.  I've been seriously looking for a 1991-1994 Buick Park Avenue with mileage well under 100,000 so I can drive to the AACA Founders Tour and SE Divisional Tour next year.  When Al Newman drove that '41 Buick Limited across country twice, parts were still available in parts houses and mechanics who knew how to use them on an old Buick were still working in the shops along the highway.  Time catches up with you in more ways than one my friend.

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On ‎10‎/‎23‎/‎2018 at 9:28 PM, parrts said:

While living in NW Indiana, I bought the twin to this in SW Michigan some 40 years ago. Unfortunately a subsequent owner lost it to a garage fire. His son managed to fine another identical '41 Limited and still has it. Big and beautiful cars

 

Sounds like my dad and my brother.  The car on the top was lost in the arson garage fire in 1989.  My father purchased it in 1977 or 1978 from a place called "Little Joe's".  

 

The car on the bottom is the one my brother purchased in Michigan some years ago.  I drove the one on the bottom to the BCA meet in South Bend a few years ago.  

 

 

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A really good 41 Limited sold in California (Vault Cars) several months ago.  They were asking $44,000 and I guess that's what they got.

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The gentleman did contact me this morning.  Unfortunately I had a repairman here at the time and we had to trunk-cate the call, but hopefully we can talk again.  It was a very enjoyable conversation. 

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Its back on with a lower price. Very close to my budget. Tempted now. Too bad its so far away. But maybe for a good car it will be worth it. I never thought Id be in range of a Limited but that car looks like it could be decent with some work.

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You've got a clear road.  After much agonizing, I decided against taking the leap.  With the Classic Car Club decision to include the 1941 Buick Roadmaster I found a really good original car, restored the paint, chrome, wiring harness, clutch, new radiator core and weatherstrip.  I can't bring myself to spend another $25,000+ on another restoration.  If you buy it, I've got a gallon of black lacquer, a gallon of thinner, and a pint of blending agent for $250.

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These are great looking cars.  I have the Cadillac version that we are currently restoring but I think the Buick had the better engine back then.  I wish we had the Buick but I'm not inclined to restore and lose money on two of these bohemiths.   This car needs everything ours did so I have a good pulse on what the costs are.  

 

Thanks for sharing all the info Dynaflash.   I don't think the price is bad but you'd bury yourself in a hurry.  

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I wish mine were that nice underneath. Would I trade my beautiful interior and detailed engine bay for a rust-free undercarriage? Probably not, but this one is probably a better foundation for both of those upgrades.

 

I'm way upside-down on mine and I don't care even a little bit. I LOVE the car. It is far and away the best old car I've ever owned and I've never driven a better pre-war car of any type. If you have the means, reach up and grab this one guys.

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Matt my friend , I can agree with you. I love my 1940 Roadmaster and it uses the same engine as the limited. the 1941 cars of course have the dual carb set up and I considered having Doug Seybold - the master Buick man in Ohio and real gentleman and good friend  install a 1941 dual carb set up on my car when he had it in its shop after i bought it, but just didn't have the $ at the time. I love driving my 1940 as well but really like a floor shift over a column shift, that being said the column shift in the Roadmaster is the best column shift car I have ever driven or owned! I never owned a Buick before the one I have and will never ever sell my car. ( doesn't mean I think anything less of my 1930 Packard, both cars are my "forever" machines , a decade apart and the best of both worlds age wise for me personally so far as styling goes too, only took me 55 years to get to this point to own what I do)

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Matt,  your article was excellent in the CCCA comparing the Limited and the 41' Cadillac.    

 

I haven't driven those exact cars but have driven enough Cadillacs and Buicks of the era to relate to the article.  

 

These bodies tended to rot at the inner rockers/outer rockers,  back of body where the trunk lid lines up with the body, and where the rear fenders attach to the body.  Most GM stuff of this era goes in these locations so if you can find a clean one then your miles ahead.  

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Matt: I'm upside down in my 41 Roadmaster already.  For sentimental reasons i'd love to have this Limited.   But, I can tell you this.  My friend drive this car hard and put it away wet.  No telling how many miles it put on it.  I've known the car 51.5 years.  I still want it, but at 80 common sense gets the better part of valor or something like that.

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I really don't need it, but at $20,000 it is tempting.

 

Earl are you ready to go ahead and buy it now?

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9 hours ago, MCHinson said:

I really don't need it, but at $20,000 it is tempting.

 

Earl are you ready to go ahead and buy it now?

I was on tour with Bob Trueax last week.  He knew Al Newman as well as I did.  Bob is 83.  CHVA editor Charlie Smith knew him well, also, he's 80 now.  I'm 80 now.  I don't know how many others are still living or are still into old cars, but CHVA doesn't even present the "Al Newman Touring Trophy" from what I'm told.  I was also with Doug Seybold on the tour.  All of these people have advised me to enjoy my 41 Roadmaster and let sentimentality lie.  I'll need this money for assisted care or something in not so many years.  Judy is having very serious surgery next Monday.  I am in no position to take on a project, any project.  I also don't see where I have time left in life to enjoy another project.  My '39 Special 4-door convertible is even for sale and the dealer with my 64 Wildcat on consignment can't seem to sell it.  All that said, I did tell the guy what I would pay for that car and I think it was close enough to the $20,000 what with shipping cost.  And, I don't know why I even did that!!  When I couldn't get it before it went to loan company auction I bought the Roadmaster and restored it.  I think somebody on high was telling me something then.

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