RichBad Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 Hi all, I’ve almost finished the engine and running gear so time to start on the body. The body was in pretty good shape and solid with no rust but taking a look underneath some of the wood work looks like it’s been replaced and not very well. Problem is I don’t know what’s right and what’s wrong so before I get too far in I wanted to see if anyone has anything similar on theirs - some pics below: LHS bottom edge by door pillar - protruding like that doesn’t seem right to me but maybe that’s how they were? LHS lower edge from front door looking forward - I would have thought the wood would fill out to the side? Under the scuttle LHS front foot well LHS rear wheel arch area - seem to be a few bits of wood here that don’t look right. many thanks:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robert b Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 Richard I will have a talk to you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichBad Posted May 26, 2019 Author Share Posted May 26, 2019 Anyone have some photos of the door pillars - in particular the strips that the doors close against - for a 1927/28 tourer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattml430 Posted May 26, 2019 Share Posted May 26, 2019 9 hours ago, RichBad said: Anyone have some photos of the door pillars - in particular the strips that the doors close against - for a 1927/28 tourer? Might be worth contacting these guys to see if they can point you in the rite direction. https://fordwood.com/index.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattml430 Posted May 26, 2019 Share Posted May 26, 2019 You may of already come across these pics. They are a little older but let’s you see with the body off. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nearchoclatetown Posted May 26, 2019 Share Posted May 26, 2019 Rich, this is a TJ Richards body isn't it? If a US car you may want to look through the Budd pictures on the DBC website. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichBad Posted May 27, 2019 Author Share Posted May 27, 2019 Thanks Matt, I hadn’t seen that so helps to give me an idea of what’s under the skin. I think the later ones may be a bit different or perhaps the differences are more between the different builders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichBad Posted May 27, 2019 Author Share Posted May 27, 2019 6 hours ago, nearchoclatetown said: Rich, this is a TJ Richards body isn't it? If a US car you may want to look through the Budd pictures on the DBC website. Thanks - Mine is definitely an Australian Body not a Budd and from what Bob told me it’s almost definitely a Holden Body. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichBad Posted May 27, 2019 Author Share Posted May 27, 2019 13 hours ago, Mattml430 said: Might be worth contacting these guys to see if they can point you in the rite direction. https://fordwood.com/index.html Just seen that - will drop them a line. Boy those Ford guys have it easy! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John McEwan Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 14 hours ago, Mattml430 said: You may of already come across these pics. They are a little older but let’s you see with the body off. That’s a 1923. Same as mine. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattml430 Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 1 hour ago, RichBad said: Just seen that - will drop them a line. Boy those Ford guys have it easy! Yer don’t they!! They might know somebody that knows somebody. They do some great kits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse J Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 On 5/27/2019 at 5:25 AM, Mattml430 said: Might be worth contacting these guys to see if they can point you in the rite direction. https://fordwood.com/index.html Dear Rich Bad, I have some drawings made in the '90s which are very good reference drawings of timber work for a '28 fast four. I am not too flash on forum stuff. I hope you get the message. Jesse 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichBad Posted July 1, 2019 Author Share Posted July 1, 2019 (edited) Skin is off and the wood’s out. Lots to do! Edited July 1, 2019 by RichBad (see edit history) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichBad Posted July 9, 2019 Author Share Posted July 9, 2019 (edited) Working on a few bits of the body metal that were missing. Made some rear door stops and some new door guides and rubber blocks but the guide contact pieces are being a bit of a challenge. Made one but it hasn’t turned out too well. Are the guide blocks/contacts a standard part used across models or are they unique to the late tourers? 2 old and 2 new door guides New rear door stop The door guide contact blocks and pads. Bottom one is my attempt but not so good and I need another 5! Edited July 9, 2019 by RichBad (see edit history) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattml430 Posted July 9, 2019 Share Posted July 9, 2019 Your being a bid hard on yourself there Richard. It doesn’t look to bad. What if you made a little die and pressed them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spinneyhill Posted July 9, 2019 Share Posted July 9, 2019 (edited) Rubber pad forming might do it. Make the female shape and press a plate into it with a lump of urethane in a short piece of pipe. Gary Ash showed us how, I think in the Technical forum, a year or two ago.... Here you go: Edited July 9, 2019 by Spinneyhill (see edit history) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichBad Posted July 9, 2019 Author Share Posted July 9, 2019 Yup, think I need a die and may try that rubber method but at 0.040/1mm may be a bit thick for the rubber forming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichBad Posted July 13, 2019 Author Share Posted July 13, 2019 With Matt’s great help we made a metal press tool and made a handful of door guides in no time. They came up great. Also, made some progress on the front door stops - put one fold in, then used the shrinker to get the curved shape correct and when done will put in the last fold. Also have a pile of wood and have started on the main rails. lots of progress - thanks for your help Matt! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattml430 Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 Your welcome mate , looks like your making some good progress. It will start coming together now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichBad Posted July 18, 2019 Author Share Posted July 18, 2019 (edited) Main rails pretty much done, just need to finish the outer edges to the correct front to back curve. Struggling with the scuttle but thanks to a few folks on here have some dimensions and photos so I know what it should look like. There’s going to be quite a bit of work to get the lines right on the scuttle and the alignment with the bonnet and doors. Edited July 18, 2019 by RichBad (see edit history) 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattml430 Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 Looking good mate. Making good progress. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete in PA Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 Wow, I'm impressed with your work. Suddenly my D2 project looks like a breeze compared to what you're doing. What wood are you working with, ash? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichBad Posted July 20, 2019 Author Share Posted July 20, 2019 Thanks! Victorian Ash - not quite as light or nice to work as European ash but probably what they used to use in Aus and it’s pretty easy to get hold of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichBad Posted September 8, 2019 Author Share Posted September 8, 2019 (edited) Got the scuttle pretty much sorted and straight. Finished the A pillars and attached to main frame. B pillars done but not fitted. Making progress slowly! Edited September 8, 2019 by RichBad (see edit history) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattml430 Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 It’s looking fabulous Rich. So much work getting that rite. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattml430 Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 Are you making patterns or plans as you go or would all the bodies be a little bit different? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichBad Posted September 9, 2019 Author Share Posted September 9, 2019 (edited) 9 hours ago, Mattml430 said: Are you making patterns or plans as you go or would all the bodies be a little bit different? Thanks Matt! I’ve been taking measurements and was going to do some patterns after the final fit when I’ve got everything right. I think they varied a little between body builders (mine is Holden, there is also TJ Richards and maybe a few others). I’m pretty sure the main body is identical between the 4s and the standard 6. All the info I’ve been able to find so far supports this. Edited September 9, 2019 by RichBad (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trini Posted September 12, 2019 Share Posted September 12, 2019 Rubber bumpers are what I call them. The are on the door post.. I bought them from Steeles Rubber seals. Beautiful. The brass jams for the door locks and the brass guide I bought from Myers Early Dodge, Reproductions from Australia. If you have any white metal (pot) you would like to replace just send them ,even pieces to Cindy Meyers . She will send them to "Reproduction" in Australia. The do most in stainless steel. The water jacket for the 28 DB is also reproduced . Transaction must go through Myers Early Dodge. Cindy has a beautiful website, No scam here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichBad Posted September 29, 2019 Author Share Posted September 29, 2019 (edited) Slow going but moving forward. Trying to get the rear tub finished up then I can make the doors fit in between the tub and scuttle. Not a straight line in it which doesn’t help! Edited September 29, 2019 by RichBad (see edit history) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeC5 Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 Looking good so far. Do you have a special machine to make the finger joints? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichBad Posted September 29, 2019 Author Share Posted September 29, 2019 7 hours ago, MikeC5 said: Looking good so far. Do you have a special machine to make the finger joints? Just a router with a special bit - will take a photo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 On 9/8/2019 at 8:00 PM, Mattml430 said: Are you making patterns or plans as you go or would all the bodies be a little bit different? Even a large manufacturer like Fisher had pieces that were a little bit different on the same car, sometimes not a mirror image from left to right. Original finger joints in my '30 Pontiac which are tapered were sometimes forced together enough to spread the outer fingers, making one side roof rail shorter than the other except at the next joint back the fingers were not pushed in tight and two wood screws were driven through the joint, one from the top and one from the bottom. The outside curve is different from left to right. Wood in hidden places was really not planed or sanded in any way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattml430 Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 The back section and corner is looking good mate. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichBad Posted October 1, 2019 Author Share Posted October 1, 2019 On 9/30/2019 at 7:57 PM, Mattml430 said: The back section and corner is looking good mate. Thanks! Got the other side finished today - much easier than the first. Mike, photo below of the router attachment I used for the finger joints. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeC5 Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 Nice! Those are going to be strong joints. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John McEwan Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 I replaced all the woodwork with steel when I did the restoration on my ‘23. The wood was doing my head in. Am I a bad person? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichBad Posted October 3, 2019 Author Share Posted October 3, 2019 12 hours ago, MikeC5 said: Nice! Those are going to be strong joints. Hopefully:) can’t be worse than what it had before! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichBad Posted October 3, 2019 Author Share Posted October 3, 2019 2 hours ago, John McEwan said: I replaced all the woodwork with steel when I did the restoration on my ‘23. The wood was doing my head in. Am I a bad person? Where’s the fun in that:). Although my head is past done in! But I am learning something new. Also so needed something to staple the trim to:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichBad Posted October 28, 2019 Author Share Posted October 28, 2019 (edited) Slow progress, but progress none the less. Almost finished the rear end, just need to complete the bottom half of the dog legs. Not so easy as the metalwork had been repaired in the past so I had nothing to work to as a correct pattern. Think I’ve figured it out but those curved pieces of wood aren’t easy - especially the joint to the vertical part. Edited October 28, 2019 by RichBad (see edit history) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattml430 Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 Looking good mate. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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