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I have a. chassis with #5 Buffalo wire wheels and external contracting hydraulic brakes. We think it is  late 20’s or 30’s.

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3 minutes ago, 54Coupe said:

I have a. chassis with #5 Buffalo wire wheels and external contracting hydraulic brakes. We think it is  late 20’s or 30’s.

Thank You

Without photos it will really be tough to identify.

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Do you think that there were a lot of manufacturers with external contracting hydraulic brakes? I don’t do computers too much, and have no idea how to post a photo. 

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You might want to add photo posting to your skill set. It does come in handy. I'm nearly 71 and can do it. So can you

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External contracting hydraulic brakes are probably early style Lockheed braking system. There are a couple other possibilities, mostly foreign. There were quite a few automobile manufacturing companies that used those brakes beginning about 1922, and adding more each year. Some years ago, I saw an ad for them, it listed several of the marques using them at the time. Paige used Lockheed brakes, I don't recall when they began (it was about '25). I believe that Peerless also used them (I knew a couple people that had Peerless automobiles, and we compared notes on the brakes (the early system was a bit tricky, but worked great once you understand them). By 1928, hydraulic brakes were switching to internal expanding brakes. The 1929 Reo I had years ago had internal hydraulic brakes, and worked more like modern (relatively speaking) braking systems. Most companies using the early Lockheed brakes were smaller producers, looking for a sales edge. However, I think that Chrysler was one that used them also. Chrysler may have also offered optional Buffalo wire wheels on their larger models.

I sure would like to see some good pictures of the chassis.

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to post a picture.

 

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I was looking at an ad for Lockheed brakes today in Automotive Industries from 1924 and it listed 8 or 9 companies using them.

  • Duesenberg
  • Peerless Collins Six, Peerless Eight 
  • Chalmers
  • Kissel
  • Paige
  • Stutz
  • Haynes
  • Wills Ste. Claire

A 12 hp Bean auto in the UK and the Elcar 8-80 used them that year, too, as well as Timken Axle, Eaton Axle, and Columbia.

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My 1927 moon has external hydraulic brakes,mine is the small 660 series,the larger Diana may have had buffalo wheels,if you can text me some pics from your phone maybe I can post them,  dave. 909 980 5766

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1928 Graham-Paige 610 had external ( I have one) internal in 1929.  Grahams used Lockheed brakes.

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11 hours ago, 54Coupe said:

Do you think that there were a lot of manufacturers with external contracting hydraulic brakes? I don’t do computers too much, and have no idea how to post a photo. 

If you care to send the photos to me, i will post them here.

keiser 31 @ charter . net

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The brakes, tube front axle and pinion adjustment on the rear axle all point towards Chrysler. I have a 1926 Chrysler G70 with type HC4 buffalo wire wheels ( and I'm still looking for some good wheels), but I believe the Model E80 Imperials were fitted with type 5 Buffalo wire wheels . I think this is probably what you have and I would say most likely it is between 1926 to 1928.

Viv

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The arched cross member near the rear of the frame in question seems to be a bit different as the Chrysler item drops below the frame side rails and kicks back up. The item in question seems to be level with the side rails.

1928 Chrysler frame.jpg

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The spreader bar is to far back, front cross member is not wide enough and the transmission mounting plates are different than a Chrysler. 

Mid to late 1920s Moon  maybe.  What is the wheel base ?

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Certainly mid to late '20s. I have a model 6-45 Paige, and I can tell you it isn't one of those. I doubt that it would be any Paige based upon the front axle, but I do not know all the models they made.

I do hope someone can recognize it and get it to the right place for restoration. 

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Tomorrow I’ll get pics of my moon frame and post them looks very similar,can you tell me the size of the wheels,preferably tire size if there is any,   Dave

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