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You decide to list an item for sale. It's on a site similar like the AACA forum where responses can be posted 

below the ad. You also provide your email address in the ad.

 

So you list the item in the morning. Someone responds a short time later requesting photos via email. Normally you post photos but more difficult on that site. You reply will send photos after lunch. The email states the potential buyer is very interested in the item.

 

Looking at the site a short while later someone else posts. They will take the item. Do you hold the item until you send promised photos or consider the item sold to the  person that committed?

 

What do you do?

 

Thanks in advance 

 

 

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First come, first served. I say send the photos to the first guy since he asked first. Tell the second guy that he will have to wait for the first guy's response to you. It's the moral thing to do.

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Send the photo's to the first guy but be sure to tell him there is another player on the deal and he needs to make up his mind fast so he doesnt waste your time. Theres doing the right thing and then theres letting someone kill a deal because they think they have a exclusive on it and take too much time.

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 I would sell it to the first person that shows up with the cash.

 The first person has only expressed a desire to buy.

 The second said he would buy.

Both have had had equal opportunity to buy.

 Explain to both, first come first served.

 If I had a dollar for everybody that said they would buy, but did not, I would be rich.

 

 I once bought a house, knowing full well that the owner was considering an offer by a second party. I stated that I would pay the asking price, nothing immoral here.

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I would sell to the first person to hand me the money. The second person in this story seems serious, the first is conversation. I would still send the pictures. He asked for pictures and you promised to send them, I don't see anything about the first person even wanting to buy the item.

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Kind of a sore subject with me. 

 

Years ago, I found out about a 1909 Pierce Model 24 roadster project for sale, this was pre-internet. 

 

I called the guy, we agreed on a price.  Since he was 3000 miles away,  I asked him to (at my expense) overnight me some pictures so I could confirm what he had and what I was buying.

 

Next day, received pictures, immediately called him.  Sorry, he said, someone came to my house last night and bought it.  I was sad and mad and....well, just add your adjective....

 

Did he do wrong?  Remember, pre-Internet, so no instant transfer of information nor funds (such as a Paypal deposit).  Did I do wrong?  Told him I'd take it upon verification with pictures, is that qualifier enough to push me off the buyer's ledge?

 

Darn if I know, all I know is that I wanted the car but it didn't happen.....and I'm still mad at somebody (maybe me?)

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5 minutes ago, GregLaR said:

How would the first guy even know he's first if you don't tell him so?

First guy asking for photos but not committing emailed me. 

Second guy replied at site. Like I am doing to you. He wrote I'll take it.

 

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15 minutes ago, GregLaR said:

How would the first guy even know he's first if you don't tell him so?

 

Well theres "other people honest" and "look yourself in the mirror honest." Which is this?

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Trimacar;

 

That's a tough one, but the first one who can get the cash into my hand is the buyer, as far as I'm concerned.  With that said, I do think that the seller should have reimbursed your cost for the overnight photos.

 

Here's a tougher situation in my opinion.   For example, I'm in Paisley, Florida and agree to sell a car to a buyer in San Jose, California, but a few hours after the verbal contract, a buyer appears on my doorstep with cash in hand.  What should I do?

 

In my opinion, I would be bound (both legally and morally) to the verbal contract.  I would tell the cash guy about the verbal contract and ask him to wait a few days to see if the verbal contract came to fruition, and that I'd contact him either way.

 

Just my opinion.

 

Cheers,

Grog

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Yes, it's a tough situation, I agree.  In the not so recent past, offering something for sale, I had a guy swear he was coming to buy, and so I sort of held off other potential buyers. 

 

The first guy never came through.  Always gets the seller in a bad mood...

 

But, here's the fine line, to me.

 

A buyer says, long distance, I'll take it.  OK, fine, while you're working out the details, someone else comes along with cash on the doorstep.  What a tough decision.  Cash in hand, or hope the other guy comes through?

 

I get it, just miss the dreaded (by many younger people) "old days", when if a man says he's going to do something, then by God and by golly that's what he does. So, if I commit to someone, then that's what will happen.  Old fashioned, but sheesh, if a man doesn't have his word, then he has nothing.

 

Off my soapbox now thanks...

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I have been dickering in old cars for a long time and I no longer take anyone's word that they are going to buy until I get the cash. If someone asks me to hold a car until he can come get it, I reply that I will hold it if he gives me a deposit, non refundable. It should be enough to cover my advertising costs and out of pocket expenses if the deal falls through. But once I have a deposit I will hold the item for a reasonable time. I usually ask how long the customer needs and give him more than he asks. For example if he says he will be there in 3 days I give him a week. If he wants a week  I give him 2 weeks. But in no case longer than a month.

 

Once that time is gone the deposit is mine and I am free to sell to someone else. I make this plain from the beginning.

 

In other words if someone says I will take it and asks me to hold it for them the answer is no, unless I get a deposit. I make it clear that I will not hold it for them if someone else shows up with cash.That is straight talk, plain honest and above board.

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1 hour ago, trimacar said:

Kind of a sore subject with me. 

 

Years ago, I found out about a 1909 Pierce Model 24 roadster project for sale, this was pre-internet. 

 

I called the guy, we agreed on a price.  Since he was 3000 miles away,  I asked him to (at my expense) overnight me some pictures so I could confirm what he had and what I was buying.

 

Next day, received pictures, immediately called him.  Sorry, he said, someone came to my house last night and bought it.  I was sad and mad and....well, just add your adjective....

 

Did he do wrong?  Remember, pre-Internet, so no instant transfer of information nor funds (such as a Paypal deposit).  Did I do wrong?  Told him I'd take it upon verification with pictures, is that qualifier enough to push me off the buyer's ledge?

 

Darn if I know, all I know is that I wanted the car but it didn't happen.....and I'm still mad at somebody (maybe me?)

 

I would think that, legally, he didn't do wrong.  Been a while, but my recollection is that  a binding contract on goods worth more than $500 ordinarily requires a contract in writing, which didn't happen here.  And the fact that you wanted to see pictures suggests that there wasn't an orally agreed-to deal yet.  There was also no deal giving you a right to purchase the car at the agreed to price if you liked the pictures, as there was no consideration on that; you didn't give up anything in exchange for him holding open the offer just to you.  So a bummer, but not breach of contract.   My sense of things, at least.  On a car, the written contract is the agreement.  Everything up to that point is just a gentleman's agreement to later make an agreement, not a legal contract.

 

Whether it was a not-so-nice thing to do is another matter, and probably depends on the details of what the two of you said.

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1 hour ago, billorn said:

 

Well theres "other people honest" and "look yourself in the mirror honest." Which is this?

I have no moral issue with this at all. This is simply a case of an item for sale. Everybody can look but the first one to show up with cash in hand should be the owner. 

You can blubber all you want about "honesty" but a month down the road the buyer, whoever it is, won't even remember the seller's name.

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Just be up front with both and say the first one to paypal the bucks or that comes to the house with cash will get the car. No deposits, no promises, no bull****,  just cash up front . Don't be surprised if neither actually buys the car. Been there done that...........Bob

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It all depends on my perception of the buyer. Their voice on the phone or their body language standing in front of you can tell a lot, if you have been paying attention for half a century.

 

I am the last person you'd find to stereotype, but, boy! can I make generalizations. All that personally observed data.

 

On the topic of honesty, I still remember the High School class when Tom Burns, the business teacher told us about discretionary and non-discretionary sales. Selling a person things they need is a responsible duty. Selling old car stuff is a sport. I'm not much into baseball or football, but I usually have a car for sale.

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I agree with most of you, but in this instance, it sounds like the first guy WAS interested, but needed to see photos. If photos are sent, let the guy know that there is another guy waiting for an answer.

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5 hours ago, keiser31 said:

First come, first served. I say send the photos to the first guy since he asked first. Tell the second guy that he will have to wait for the first guy's response to you. It's the moral thing to do.

With a timeline for an answer. Say 24 hours?

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,This isn't Hemmings Motor News 50 years ago, photos should have been posted with the ad for the "item". The OP mentioned "ITEM" not a car but the moral question is still valid. I had a similar situation years ago on a Brass Era car, ok project that could become a car. First guy wanted photos (Pre Internet deal), second caller wanted to buy for the price I listed it for. I told him he was second in line and the first guy wanted to see photos. Second guy asked for my address, he was mailing a check for the total amount asked, told me to make up my mind. Turned out the first guy just wanted to look at the photos to confirm details on a car he was restoring. Called the second guy and he was the proud new owner, I even delivered the project, and made a life long friend in the process. Car was on the Hershey show field within 6-8 years and looked fantastic.  Bob 

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