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SO TESLA IS TANKING....YOUR THOUGHTS

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The US ships about 1/3 more refined petroleum than Russia and 3x as much as China. But Asian countries shipped 41% of the global total in 2017 and Europe 39.1% while 14.6% of shipped refined petroleum originated from North America. http://www.worldstopexports.com/refined-oil-exports-by-country/

 

If you have tech. others don't have today, they will have it next week. They don't worry much about your patent protection and they indulge in industrial espionage on a large scale. They will probably have their own tech. that does similar things anyway. They also have pots of money and acquire the tech. by buying companies that have it. And there are 4x as many clever people in China as there are in the US.

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39 minutes ago, mercer09 said:

Gas is not dying it’s slowing down as alternatives gain market share.

 

 

 

actually Terry, dont think that is quite true yet............... China and India are just now getting cars and I am quite sure they arent electric.

 

Refining is Americas #1 resource at the moment and there is no slowing down in sight. We ship more fuel out of the country, then anyone else by far. We have the technology that countries like Russia and China dont.

Tesla is building a factory in China as it’s the second biggest market for them.  In China you get registration to operate your car almost immediately if it’s electric, if not electric you have to wait in line for a long time.

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They will probably have their own tech. that does similar things anyway.

 

 

 

The chinese recently tried to acquire Micron Technology from us. Trump put a stop to it. They are at least 5 yrs behind us in the chip sector and cant compete overnight.

Chip tech can take many yrs to develop.

 

there is no doubt though, that they are on a quest to knock us out. They dont play by our rules. ruthless would be a good choice of words.

 

Gasoline in China runs around 12. a gallon, so  electric cars are the way to go. Also their pollution is beyond horrible compared with the rest of the universe. India too has horrible pollution problems.

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4 hours ago, Spinneyhill said:

And there are 4x as many clever people in China as there are in the US.

 

Ive heard there are more people in Indian with an IQ over 120 than there is total population of the US.

 

 

On the subject of fuel refining - in Australia fuel starts at 91 octane for the base level, but in America if I recall that’s the beginning of the “premium” stuff. Why is this?

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RON vs PON probably. Are three different popular ways to measure octane.

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Listening to the NEWS yesterday they had a report the the Battery on the Electric Cars in the cold sub Zero Temps reduces the charge by as much as 30% meaning the hours and distance is greatly reduced. Not sure what cold temps need to get to, to cause the reduced battery levels but would assume it varies. So, they are saying you need to keep the Electric Cars in a heated garage and be aware that when you go some where and park out side, (I.E. Airport parking lot vacation trip) you may not have enough power to make it home.

 

Years ago I was at a local car show and there was an old Ford Pickup truck there that amazed me. The hood was up and there was a running V8 Engine in it. Then I noticed that on the fire wall there was a large glass Jug full of water with air bubbles rising in it. I talking to the owner I asked if he was boiling water for Tea. He said no he is making Hydrogen gas to run the engine! In conversation he said he had the plains to make this conversion to any gas engine making it one that did not need gas. The engine runs on Hydrogen easily extracted from Water !  He continued to explain it was against the law due to Lobbying by the Oil Companies and said to be too dangerous as an explosive fuel. He said he had a way to control the Hydrogen and keep it safe in an explosion proof enclosure.  Imagine the reaction the caused to the Gas industry.   So Cars can run on water.

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27 minutes ago, Doug Novak said:

Listening to the NEWS yesterday they had a report the the Battery on the Electric Cars in the cold sub Zero Temps reduces the charge by as much as 30% meaning the hours and distance is greatly reduced. Not sure what cold temps need to get to, to cause the reduced battery levels but would assume it varies. So, they are saying you need to keep the Electric Cars in a heated garage and be aware that when you go some where and park out side, (I.E. Airport parking lot vacation trip) you may not have enough power to make it home.

 

Years ago I was at a local car show and there was an old Ford Pickup truck there that amazed me. The hood was up and there was a running V8 Engine in it. Then I noticed that on the fire wall there was a large glass Jug full of water with air bubbles rising in it. I talking to the owner I asked if he was boiling water for Tea. He said no he is making Hydrogen gas to run the engine! In conversation he said he had the plains to make this conversion to any gas engine making it one that did not need gas. The engine runs on Hydrogen easily extracted from Water !  He continued to explain it was against the law due to Lobbying by the Oil Companies and said to be too dangerous as an explosive fuel. He said he had a way to control the Hydrogen and keep it safe in an explosion proof enclosure.  Imagine the reaction the caused to the Gas industry.   So Cars can run on water.

This bloke must have been smarter than the Japanese. They have been trying to make one that is saleable for years, I believe they are not too far away.

 

Maybe it's this bloke who was smarter than the Japanese;

 

 

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Did you notice that Stan Myer who had the patent was Killed? Not an accident. Google it.

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Ive heard there are more people in Indian with an IQ over 120 than there is total population of the US.

 

 

makes one wonder why they are so broke then?

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6 hours ago, mercer09 said:

makes one wonder why they are so broke then?

 

Starting from a low base but are catching up fast.

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India and China are both plagued by incredible levels of corruption.  It's a Capitalists dream come true, unbelievable wealth in the hands of a very privileged few . And a dog eat dog environment for everyone else.  China seems to be making improvements but once a certain mindset takes hold true change may take generations. Just because you are smart if the base line situation is poor you will also have to be machiavellian to prosper and the overall culture still remains primitive.

 

Greg in Canada

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I’ve never seen any business growth model that is constantly upward.  Not McDonalds, not Wal-Mart, not Coca-Cola, nobody.

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Tesla had better start looking in their rear view mirror as they may be getting past/left in the dust when it comes to a EV Pickup Truck.

 

Rivian EV Truck

 

Also appears the CEO of this company is surrounding himself with people who have EXPERIENCE BUILDING VEHICLES (unlike Tesla).

 

Up to 230+ to 400+ mile range. 1,764 lbs Payload, 11,000 lbs Towing Capacity, 0-60 in 3 seconds,  750 HP with 4 motors, MSRP $69,000 (before Tax rebate)

Production scheduled to begin in 2020.

 

Rivian Truck and SUV

 

Should be interesting to see if Rivian gives Tesla a run for their money in the Pickup Truck and SUV segments. Time will tell I suppose.

 

 

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18 hours ago, countrytravler said:

 

It appears they may not be making much progress. 👇

 

https://electrek.co/2019/02/18/tesla-standard-model-3-battery-website-fans-panic/

 

Are you still hauling for them?

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On 2/8/2019 at 6:42 PM, 1912Staver said:

India and China are both plagued by incredible levels of corruption.  It's a Capitalist's dream come true,

unbelievable wealth in the hands of a very privileged few . And a dog eat dog environment for everyone else. 

 

Sorry, I'll have to disagree with one of your statements.

"Unbelievable wealth in the hands of a very privileged few"

is not the result when capitalism is coupled with law and order.

Instead, it's the result, in one degree or another, of just about

every OTHER economic system, and in extreme cases there's

hardly a middle class.

 

The Industrial Revolution of the 19th century had some

difficulties, but it brought consumer goods--electricity, plumbing,

household appliances, kitchen conveniences, inexpensive

affordable clothing, better housing, and eventually

automobiles--to just about every citizen of Western countries.

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Notice that I did not say India and China are examples of a Capitalist society. However the wealth that some individuals can attain due to the conditions in those countries strikes me as something many if not most ardent capitalists desire.  Why else would the individuals seen by most to be emblematic of successful capitalism accumulate personal fortunes many times a figure an individual person could conceivably make use of. At what point does capitalism as a reasonably fair system degenerate into a grab for spoils?

  Definitely capitalism as a economic theory has many things to recommend it. Especially when coupled with a democratic political system. But the same can be said of a limited socialist system, Canada 20 years ago, Scandinavian country's and no doubt a few others .

  Perhaps I misjudge successful capitalists , however it seems on the surface at least that the yardstick of todays interpretation of capitalist success is graduated in dollar signs. And the thought of a rising tide lifting all boats seems to be getting lost.

 

Greg in Canada

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2 hours ago, 1912Staver said:

Notice that I did not say India and China are examples of a Capitalist society. However the wealth that some individuals can attain due to the conditions in those countries strikes me as something many if not most ardent capitalists desire.  Why else would the individuals seen by most to be emblematic of successful capitalism accumulate personal fortunes many times a figure an individual person could conceivably make use of. At what point does capitalism as a reasonably fair system degenerate into a grab for spoils?

  Definitely capitalism as a economic theory has many things to recommend it. Especially when coupled with a democratic political system. But the same can be said of a limited socialist system, Canada 20 years ago, Scandinavian country's and no doubt a few others .

  Perhaps I misjudge successful capitalists , however it seems on the surface at least that the yardstick of todays interpretation of capitalist success is graduated in dollar signs. And the thought of a rising tide lifting all boats seems to be getting lost.

 

Greg in Canada

 

I find that most people want to be rich, whether or not they are capitalists, and rich people seem to want to be superrich, again, whether or nor they are capitalists.   

 

 

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Not sure I have ever really wanted to be rich. Prosperous enough to participate in the middle ground of the old car hobby definitely.  Unfortunately these days the middle ground seems to be lost , you are either quite wealthy and a participant or something less on both counts.

 

Greg in Canada

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1 hour ago, 1935Packard said:

 

I find that most people want to be rich, whether or not they are capitalists, and rich people seem to want to be superrich, again, whether or nor they are capitalists.   

 

 

 

 

I would be happy with “comfortable” anything more than fifteen or twenty exotic CCCA Classics seems excessive to me........

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