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I’ve had so many cars with non working odometers, this would not work for me. I guess hub odometers will have to fit small wheels too!

 

Our odometer readings are checked at annual safety inspection too, never asked why the number didn’t change.😀

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In this country, only petrol is taxed at the pump. Diesel is not. 

 

 

and  diesel today is much more then gas. go figure!

 

growing up, diesel was a bargain.....................

 

so back to the initial problem that was never solved.........the batteries. Hey nice looking car!  Thanks, but it wont go anywhere.

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Before I buy an electric I want to road test it on a hilly road on a cold day. I seldom drive the speed limit. I have a heavy foot.  I will have the heater on,  the wipers wiping,  the seat heaters on,  radio playing,  headlights on for safety.  And oh yea, the kids will be in the back seat watching a video and running the windows up and down just to irritate me.  A local convenience store just installed 5 Tesla branded charging stations. Have yet to see one of them in use but I'm sure electrics will be common before long. They have even invaded our restoration shop. Just finishing a 1918 Rauch and Lang Electric and will likely be restoring a Detroit Electric in the near future.

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A local convenience store just installed 5 Tesla branded charging stations. Have yet to see one of them in use but I'm sure electrics will be common before long.  Just finishing a 1918 Rauch and Lang Electric and will likely be restoring a Detroit Electric in the near future.

Build an adapter, and make use of one of them when you drive your R&L to the store.

 

What I can't understand is why a convenience store would install them, unless it was the building owner who did for a local tax break of sorts.  On average, one spends less than 2-5 minutes in a 'convenience store', and don't think one would even gain a 1% charge in those 2 minutes!!

 

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16 minutes ago, 8E45E said:

Build an adapter, and make use of one of them when you drive your R&L to the store.

 

What I can't understand is why a convenience store would install them, unless it was the building owner who did for a local tax break of sorts.  On average, one spends less than 2-5 minutes in a 'convenience store', and don't think one would even gain a 1% charge in those 2 minutes!!

 

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Maybe the inverse is true. By putting in chargers he is hoping people will stay longer and buy more. Most gas stations dont make much from gas but alot from soda and a coffee and chips.

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Before I buy an electric I want to road test it on a hilly road on a cold day. I seldom drive the speed limit. I have a heavy foot.  I will have the heater on,  the wipers wiping,  the seat heaters on,  radio playing,  headlights on for safety.  And oh yea, the kids will be in the back seat watching a video and running the windows up and down just to irritate me.  A local convenience store just installed 5 Tesla branded charging stations. Have yet to see one of them in use but I'm sure electrics will be common before long. They have even invaded our restoration shop. Just finishing a 1918 Rauch and Lang Electric and will likely be restoring a Detroit Electric in the near future.

Local used car dealer here in Lititz PA has two Tesla Model S cars in stock, a black one and a red one.  Not too far from you, come on over and try one out!  Dealer is Warwick Autopark on Rt. 501. N of Lititz.

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Most gas stations dont make much from gas but alot from soda and a coffee and chips.

That is the reason I haven't set foot inside a gas station for many years, as I always pay directly at the pump with a card.   There's always a long line-up with customers who want to buy everything from coffee to smokes to lottery tickets; everything BUT the main reason it exists in the first place: Motor fuel!

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Listening to the NEWS yesterday they had a report the the Battery on the Electric Cars in the cold sub Zero Temps reduces the charge by as much as 30% meaning the hours and distance is greatly reduced. Not sure what cold temps need to get to, to cause the reduced battery levels but would assume it varies. So, they are saying you need to keep the Electric Cars in a heated garage and be aware that when you go some where and park out side, (I.E. Airport parking lot vacation trip) you may not have enough power to make it home.

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Listening to the NEWS yesterday they had a report the the Battery on the Electric Cars in the cold sub Zero Temps reduces the charge by as much as 30% meaning the hours and distance is greatly reduced. Not sure what cold temps need to get to, to cause the reduced battery levels but would assume it varies. So, they are saying you need to keep the Electric Cars in a heated garage and be aware that when you go some where and park out side, (I.E. Airport parking lot vacation trip) you may not have enough power to make it home.

Kind of making sure you have enough gas to get home.  Low range cars like the Leaf would be most affected.  Gas is not dying it’s slowing down as alternatives gain market share.

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Gas is not dying it’s slowing down as alternatives gain market share.

 

 

 

actually Terry, dont think that is quite true yet............... China and India are just now getting cars and I am quite sure they arent electric.

 

Refining is Americas #1 resource at the moment and there is no slowing down in sight. We ship more fuel out of the country, then anyone else by far. We have the technology that countries like Russia and China dont.

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The US ships about 1/3 more refined petroleum than Russia and 3x as much as China. But Asian countries shipped 41% of the global total in 2017 and Europe 39.1% while 14.6% of shipped refined petroleum originated from North America. http://www.worldstopexports.com/refined-oil-exports-by-country/

 

If you have tech. others don't have today, they will have it next week. They don't worry much about your patent protection and they indulge in industrial espionage on a large scale. They will probably have their own tech. that does similar things anyway. They also have pots of money and acquire the tech. by buying companies that have it. And there are 4x as many clever people in China as there are in the US.

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Gas is not dying it’s slowing down as alternatives gain market share.

 

 

 

actually Terry, dont think that is quite true yet............... China and India are just now getting cars and I am quite sure they arent electric.

 

Refining is Americas #1 resource at the moment and there is no slowing down in sight. We ship more fuel out of the country, then anyone else by far. We have the technology that countries like Russia and China dont.

Tesla is building a factory in China as it’s the second biggest market for them.  In China you get registration to operate your car almost immediately if it’s electric, if not electric you have to wait in line for a long time.

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They will probably have their own tech. that does similar things anyway.

 

 

 

The chinese recently tried to acquire Micron Technology from us. Trump put a stop to it. They are at least 5 yrs behind us in the chip sector and cant compete overnight.

Chip tech can take many yrs to develop.

 

there is no doubt though, that they are on a quest to knock us out. They dont play by our rules. ruthless would be a good choice of words.

 

Gasoline in China runs around 12. a gallon, so  electric cars are the way to go. Also their pollution is beyond horrible compared with the rest of the universe. India too has horrible pollution problems.

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4 hours ago, Spinneyhill said:

And there are 4x as many clever people in China as there are in the US.

 

Ive heard there are more people in Indian with an IQ over 120 than there is total population of the US.

 

 

On the subject of fuel refining - in Australia fuel starts at 91 octane for the base level, but in America if I recall that’s the beginning of the “premium” stuff. Why is this?

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Listening to the NEWS yesterday they had a report the the Battery on the Electric Cars in the cold sub Zero Temps reduces the charge by as much as 30% meaning the hours and distance is greatly reduced. Not sure what cold temps need to get to, to cause the reduced battery levels but would assume it varies. So, they are saying you need to keep the Electric Cars in a heated garage and be aware that when you go some where and park out side, (I.E. Airport parking lot vacation trip) you may not have enough power to make it home.

 

Years ago I was at a local car show and there was an old Ford Pickup truck there that amazed me. The hood was up and there was a running V8 Engine in it. Then I noticed that on the fire wall there was a large glass Jug full of water with air bubbles rising in it. I talking to the owner I asked if he was boiling water for Tea. He said no he is making Hydrogen gas to run the engine! In conversation he said he had the plains to make this conversion to any gas engine making it one that did not need gas. The engine runs on Hydrogen easily extracted from Water !  He continued to explain it was against the law due to Lobbying by the Oil Companies and said to be too dangerous as an explosive fuel. He said he had a way to control the Hydrogen and keep it safe in an explosion proof enclosure.  Imagine the reaction the caused to the Gas industry.   So Cars can run on water.

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27 minutes ago, Doug Novak said:

Listening to the NEWS yesterday they had a report the the Battery on the Electric Cars in the cold sub Zero Temps reduces the charge by as much as 30% meaning the hours and distance is greatly reduced. Not sure what cold temps need to get to, to cause the reduced battery levels but would assume it varies. So, they are saying you need to keep the Electric Cars in a heated garage and be aware that when you go some where and park out side, (I.E. Airport parking lot vacation trip) you may not have enough power to make it home.

 

Years ago I was at a local car show and there was an old Ford Pickup truck there that amazed me. The hood was up and there was a running V8 Engine in it. Then I noticed that on the fire wall there was a large glass Jug full of water with air bubbles rising in it. I talking to the owner I asked if he was boiling water for Tea. He said no he is making Hydrogen gas to run the engine! In conversation he said he had the plains to make this conversion to any gas engine making it one that did not need gas. The engine runs on Hydrogen easily extracted from Water !  He continued to explain it was against the law due to Lobbying by the Oil Companies and said to be too dangerous as an explosive fuel. He said he had a way to control the Hydrogen and keep it safe in an explosion proof enclosure.  Imagine the reaction the caused to the Gas industry.   So Cars can run on water.

This bloke must have been smarter than the Japanese. They have been trying to make one that is saleable for years, I believe they are not too far away.

 

Maybe it's this bloke who was smarter than the Japanese;

 

 

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India and China are both plagued by incredible levels of corruption.  It's a Capitalists dream come true, unbelievable wealth in the hands of a very privileged few . And a dog eat dog environment for everyone else.  China seems to be making improvements but once a certain mindset takes hold true change may take generations. Just because you are smart if the base line situation is poor you will also have to be machiavellian to prosper and the overall culture still remains primitive.

 

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Tesla had better start looking in their rear view mirror as they may be getting past/left in the dust when it comes to a EV Pickup Truck.

 

Rivian EV Truck

 

Also appears the CEO of this company is surrounding himself with people who have EXPERIENCE BUILDING VEHICLES (unlike Tesla).

 

Up to 230+ to 400+ mile range. 1,764 lbs Payload, 11,000 lbs Towing Capacity, 0-60 in 3 seconds,  750 HP with 4 motors, MSRP $69,000 (before Tax rebate)

Production scheduled to begin in 2020.

 

Rivian Truck and SUV

 

Should be interesting to see if Rivian gives Tesla a run for their money in the Pickup Truck and SUV segments. Time will tell I suppose.

 

 

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18 hours ago, countrytravler said:

https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-model-3-35k-base-model-layoffs-7-percent-breaking-news/

 

It appears they may not be making much progress. 👇

 

https://electrek.co/2019/02/18/tesla-standard-model-3-battery-website-fans-panic/

 

Are you still hauling for them?

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On 2/8/2019 at 6:42 PM, 1912Staver said:

India and China are both plagued by incredible levels of corruption.  It's a Capitalist's dream come true,

unbelievable wealth in the hands of a very privileged few . And a dog eat dog environment for everyone else. 

 

Sorry, I'll have to disagree with one of your statements.

"Unbelievable wealth in the hands of a very privileged few"

is not the result when capitalism is coupled with law and order.

Instead, it's the result, in one degree or another, of just about

every OTHER economic system, and in extreme cases there's

hardly a middle class.

 

The Industrial Revolution of the 19th century had some

difficulties, but it brought consumer goods--electricity, plumbing,

household appliances, kitchen conveniences, inexpensive

affordable clothing, better housing, and eventually

automobiles--to just about every citizen of Western countries.

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Notice that I did not say India and China are examples of a Capitalist society. However the wealth that some individuals can attain due to the conditions in those countries strikes me as something many if not most ardent capitalists desire.  Why else would the individuals seen by most to be emblematic of successful capitalism accumulate personal fortunes many times a figure an individual person could conceivably make use of. At what point does capitalism as a reasonably fair system degenerate into a grab for spoils?

  Definitely capitalism as a economic theory has many things to recommend it. Especially when coupled with a democratic political system. But the same can be said of a limited socialist system, Canada 20 years ago, Scandinavian country's and no doubt a few others .

  Perhaps I misjudge successful capitalists , however it seems on the surface at least that the yardstick of todays interpretation of capitalist success is graduated in dollar signs. And the thought of a rising tide lifting all boats seems to be getting lost.

 

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Notice that I did not say India and China are examples of a Capitalist society. However the wealth that some individuals can attain due to the conditions in those countries strikes me as something many if not most ardent capitalists desire.  Why else would the individuals seen by most to be emblematic of successful capitalism accumulate personal fortunes many times a figure an individual person could conceivably make use of. At what point does capitalism as a reasonably fair system degenerate into a grab for spoils?

  Definitely capitalism as a economic theory has many things to recommend it. Especially when coupled with a democratic political system. But the same can be said of a limited socialist system, Canada 20 years ago, Scandinavian country's and no doubt a few others .

  Perhaps I misjudge successful capitalists , however it seems on the surface at least that the yardstick of todays interpretation of capitalist success is graduated in dollar signs. And the thought of a rising tide lifting all boats seems to be getting lost.

 

Greg in Canada

 

I find that most people want to be rich, whether or not they are capitalists, and rich people seem to want to be superrich, again, whether or nor they are capitalists.   

 

 

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Not sure I have ever really wanted to be rich. Prosperous enough to participate in the middle ground of the old car hobby definitely.  Unfortunately these days the middle ground seems to be lost , you are either quite wealthy and a participant or something less on both counts.

 

Greg in Canada

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I find that most people want to be rich, whether or not they are capitalists, and rich people seem to want to be superrich, again, whether or nor they are capitalists.   

 

 

 

 

I would be happy with “comfortable” anything more than fifteen or twenty exotic CCCA Classics seems excessive to me........

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arrogance knows no bounds....................
 
he will be his own undoing.
 
 

Elon Musk and the SEC; Oil stabilizes; Brexit endgame?

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Updated 5:23 AM ET, Tue February 26, 2019

 
 
 
 
Elon Musk steps down as Tesla chairman
 
 
Elon Musk steps down as Tesla chairman
 

 

 

 
 

 

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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London (CNN Business)1. Elon Musk vs. the SEC: Tesla CEO Elon Musk is in trouble again because of something he said on Twitter.

The US Securities and Exchange Commission on Monday asked a federal judge to hold Musk in contempt for violating a settlement deal reached with the powerful regulator last year.
The SEC said that Musk violated the agreement by tweeting inaccurate information about Tesla production levels on February 19 without first seeking approval from his lawyers.
Tesla (TSLA) shares were 3.6% lower in premarket trade.
Musk showed no signs of contrition, firing back at the SEC in a tweet that sought to explain away his actions. The CEO has previously disparaged the settlement and said he doesn't "respect" the SEC.
 
The episode is bound to raise more questions about the management of Tesla and Musk's leadership.
The billionaire stepped down as chairman of Tesla last year as part of the settlement agreed after the SEC accused him of misleading investors with tweets about taking the carmaker private.
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Great piece on 60 Minutes last weekend, regarding the electric car industry in China. Too much to go into, but the upshot is that the Chinese govt. is dedicated itself to help make the electric car the convenience of the future. Substantial subsidies are being contributed to the emerging domestic producers, in addition to infrastructure technology, much of which is not available in the US. One million cars produced last year and continuing to burgeon.

 

The US govt has chosen to step back from helping the domestic electric car manufacturers from going forward with technology, and will be dropping previous subsidies. Whether anyone here like the incursion by the govt in private enterprise the future seems clear.  

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Tesla unveils $35,000 standard Model 3, shifts worldwide sales to online-only

 

Maybe it is just me, but I would NEVER buy a new vehicle without seeing it in person and taking a test drive. How could one do this if it is sold online-only?

 

Also, how is eliminating sales staff going to save Tesla money when they are hiring so many technicians to service their cars and cut down on the long wait times for service?  Then there are the fines for all their safety violations at their factory in California (highest in the auto industry according to some reports).

 

Seems Tesla faces a number of financial and business challenges ahead. Time will tell how this all works out.

 

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Carvana is running the same business model.  I’m a see and drive person before buying, but I’m that way about almost anything I buy which I’m sure dates me by many standards.  If it was my way the brick and mortar shops would be doing quite well instead of closing.

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Carvana is running the same business model.  I’m a see and drive person before buying, but I’m that way about almost anything I buy which I’m sure dates me by many standards.  If it was my way the brick and mortar shops would be doing quite well instead of closing.

 

 Carvana has never made a profit.

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