mercer09

So Tesla is tanking... your thoughts?

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I love ICE (internal combustion engines) but I'd hate to see Tesla fail.  (Or anyone else, other than communists.) I found this article that says they've just had two back to back profitable quarters for the first time ever.

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2019/01/30/tesla-posts-first-back-to-back-profits/

 

Sorry if that's been posted before. I haven't read all the comments. I don't know if the article is legit or not, but it looks promising. Jay Leno had an all electric Mercedes prototype on his show a couple weeks ago. The young engineer involved with the project seemed to indicate that in twenty years or less ICE will be a rarity in Germany.

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The young engineer involved with the project seemed to indicate that in twenty years or less ICE will be a rarity in Germany.

 

 

funny, because Germany is also getting rid of all of their nuclear reactors................... so they will burn coal to run their electric cars?

 

could end up looking like china...........smog everywhere. The Black Forrest has been dying at an alarming rate for yrs now, from all of the sulfur spewed into the atmosphere. Wonder how Germans lung cancer rate is going?

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2 hours ago, mercer09 said:

could end up looking like china...........smog everywhere.

Probably not. Here is a paragraph from Wikipedia "Energy in Germany".

 

" On 26 January 2019, a group of federal and state leaders as well as industry representatives, environmentalists, and scientists made an agreement to close all 84 coal plants in the country by 2038. The move is projected to cost €40 billion in compensation alone to closed businesses. Coal was used to generate almost 40% of the country's electricity in 2018 and is expected to be replaced by renewable energy. 24 coal plants are planned to be closed by 2022 with all but 8 closed by 2030. The final date is expected to be assessed every 3 years.["

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thank you Spinney- very interesting

 

on the renewable energy part............would like to further understand that? Germany has 25% of our population in a land mass the size of OK

 

so not sure how they will pull that off............ unless they buy from other countries.

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Windmills and natural gas, windmills being renewable source of electricity. I’m sure solar is in there, just no personal knowledge. But those windmills, they are everywhere along the northern coast of Europe.  😉

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windmills?

 

there is NO land................. that is my point. takes a lot of windmills and solar to generate just a little energy. if it were so easy, our country would run on such. it doesnt.

 

only reason renewable s succeed in America is because of cheap gas subsidies.............

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Lol’d at the above post :D

 

 

Tesla did something that no other company I saw did with electric cars..make them actually look good!

 

Saw someone ask about sales in other countries. I live in a town of 12000 and saw 1. A town of 150000 I’ve seen several. Dunno where the charge stations are. There’s one between our 2 towns.

 

Would love a Zero motorcycle..

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Since the probability of me ever owning one is so small as to be practically infinitesimal I find I really don't care if they stay in business or not. 

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Would love a Zero motorcycle..

 

amen to that. would probably need to be a trike to hold the batts.................

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They still can not make them fast enough. And they still adding on to the factory. 

 

 

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I though this was interesting.  If Tesla is a stock scam, it's a stock scam that sure is selling a lot of cars. 

 

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This chart is interesting, too.

 

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Granted, I assume these figures are somewhat impacted by the declining tax credit, which I believe was cut $3,750 if delivery was made before 1/1/19.  Still, pretty interesting numbers.

 

ETA:   I'm not surprised by these numbers based on the cars I see.  I live in an expensive area of Southern California (is there any other kind? rim shot), and Tesla Model 3s are everywhere. Go for a ten minute drive around town and you'll expect to see at least five of them.

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I have no chips in this game...........electric vs gas. I will comment on Tesla from one aspect, which is I was able to put my hands on one while taking it apart and repairing it after an accident. I have owned and run a modern repair shop of a fair size, as my background is not just antique cars. The cars are well made, engineering is absolutely fantastic, component parts are above anything I have seen in the marketplace on cars costing less than 300k new. Fit, finish, assembly were all first rate. They are complicated in different ways than most other cars, and technologies and techniques to service and repair them are different. Overall opinion- Tesla is not a car, it’s a piece of equipment. It’s half car, half dishwasher, and half electronic device......yup it has three “half’s”. I don’t know where the electric car or gasoline cars industry is headed..........and to be honest I don’t think anybody knows. My best guess........think of the computer revolution as a parallel to the current automotive market. Some people like and need full size work stations, some like lap tops, others prefer a tablet, and some just a smart phone. The technology sector has been transforming, keyboards, voice to type/text, other unusual inputs from other types of sensors.........how we use and interact with electronic devices has changed rapidly and in difficult ways to predict over the last five years. And it’s just getting started. I use a smart phone for not only the traditional uses, email, navigation, google, weather, phone, music,etc........In the last twelve months my phone has become my key, remote control, garage door opener, alarm system controller, heating & A/C with thermostatic control, my lights, radio and MP3 player...........all just in the recent past. I don’t want an electric car, and and I  don’t want a car to drive me. But I think I am in the minority and it’s the general direction we are headed in. My expectation is that in twenty five years that 80 percent of all transportation will be electric and automated. Good or bad idea? I’m not sure, but my guess is people will learn to interact better and understand the effects of technology on their every day life, and make a lifestyle choice like vegetarian or vegan lifestyle.............we will develop terms and definitions of how much we choose to interact with technology in our every day life.........hopefully people will use reason to understand the advantages and dis advantages of it all. Right now we are just building things without thought to the consequences to the long term results. More and more people are helpless interacting on and in the world we live in. Depending on the supply chain for food, drink, clothes, etc...........lunch needs to be cultivated, plants, picked prepared.......you get the idea. Many people today don’t realize the burger they had for lunch was a animal that was raised, processed, and transported to the local grocery store. We just assume it will happen and be there when we walk in and pay with our electrons in our devices. While I’m not a doom and gloom type of guy.......are you willing to bet you life and your family’s life that the system will always be there and functioning correctly in order to sustain you?  All very deep questions that won’t effect me.....I’m too old for it to make a difference now..........the young people are going to need to take a hard and long look at how they chose to live. Outside looking in........it’s gonna be entertaining.

 

Back to the threads question......Is Tesla going to make it? Who knows, but if it doesn’t survive, the  concept and technology will, and obviously people are willing to pay for it......so it is here to stay in one form or another. 

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Great thoughts, Ed.  I haven't read every post on this thread, so if my comments are duplicates I apologize.

 

The one thing that sticks in my mind about electric cars is that  a lot of people don't get that the power still has to come from some form of generation.  It's like the person who works against cruelty to animals, so they tell people to buy meat at the supermarket, where no animals are hurt.

 

It would be great if all that power came from the wind or sun or sea, but right now that's a long way off, if ever.  We're still a fossil fuel based economy, and you can't get completely away from that.  One firm example is air traffic, there'll never be a solar powered or electric airplane that can carry more than a handful of passengers, if that.

 

I don't think Tesla is a scam at this point, not with all the charging stations across the country and the number of cars being sold.  It's solid technology, but in the end still reliant on having a place to plug into a (mostly) fossil fuel powered electrical grid.

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I think we should worry about all those wind mills slowing the rotation of the Earth and changing the winds. 😀

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7 minutes ago, Restorer32 said:

I think we should worry about all those wind mills slowing the rotation of the Earth and changing the winds. 😀

 

Actually it's to our advantage, in another billion years or two, we won't need leap year anymore..................

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PS- To be fair to the original poster.....Tesla was a few weeks from going belly up on paper just in the last 9 months. I don't think that will happen now..........Tesla will survive for certain, what and how it looks like in the next three to five years is another thing........

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going to Davids corner- the solving of the battery issue still hasnt come about and far more important then the car itself. Kind of like kick the can down the alley, but hey, the can is beautiful and handmade and even coated with platinum............

 

as long as gas is cheap, there is no need for   electric, which is expensive.

 

 

Also as an aside Ed, remember Europe plays soccer and we still play football. Some changes dont come about easily.

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https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/california/articles/2019-02-04/tesla-buys-battery-technology-company

I don't think Tesla is going away --

 

interesting battery tech

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-vons7xbdo

 

Battery Technology advancing rapidly 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/forbestechcouncil/2018/07/09/seven-ways-advancements-in-technology-will-change-the-near-future/#31a52b2c268d

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I'm still concerned about the infrastructure, we still have occasional brownouts around 6pm when everybody cranks their AC up. And many can tell when the AC starts up by a momentary dimming of the lights. What will happen when there is a significant number of electric cars plug in the same way. Just how many can the grid support ?

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I've wondered, too, if windmills affect the weather in some way.  That energy is removed from the wind, so a cloud gets moved less, and so forth.

 

All the "greenies" love windmills, yet there's a downside, tens of thousands of birds are killed by windmills each year.

 

Any green solution has other impacts to the environment.

 

 Ethanol usage has caused deforestation for more corn planting, resulting in erosion.  More fertilizer was needed to support more corn being grown, so pollution from those fertilizer factories increased.  Truck traffic to carry ethanol is increased, causing more pollution. End user  mileage per gallon decreases, negating some of the "saved" gas usage.

 

The piper gets paid no matter the tune.....

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That is the stupid part, "Ethanol usage has caused deforestation for more corn planting" since corn is about the least efficient way to create alcohol other plants can create 4X as much. Brazil relies almost entirely on alcohol for cars but not from corn. We just have A Lot of corn and no incentive to change.

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We just have A Lot of corn and no incentive to change.

 

or a lobbyist who got paid lots of money..............!

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