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I cannot find my 1939 VIN!!! The little firewall plate is gone. The frame does not look stamped

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The frame is near mint.  The radiator is out.  There is no rust but I cannot find the vin!.  I was told it is on the front crossmember.  I do not see any numbers.  I also have a parts car with a missing front clip. I cannot find the VIN on that one either PLEASE HELP

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Where it is for later Pontiacs is on top of the frame rail, take a mirror and where ever you can use the mirror to see the top of the rail, look for the vin.

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I cannot find my 1939 VIN!!! The little firewall plate is gone. The frame does not look stamped

If its like a '39 Buick & other GM cars of that era the firewall data plate will not have the chassis/frame number.  The firewall plate does have the body number, but that is not the same as the chassis/frame number.

Cars of that time did not have VIN's as we know them today:--> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vehicle_identification_number

 

What number is on the title?

 

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I looked at my 39 cv't today.  The number is on a tag (aluminum/galv.) riveted to the frame crossmember, directly below and a little in front of the generator.  The rivets are rather substantial.  Tag is maybe 3" long.  Should be something like P6EBXXXXX.  Mine is a 6 cyl. thus P6.  My title has the number also, so maybe you could get reproduced from that?DSC04277.thumb.JPG.c52a2c0107220ce60a03f5fad70136e2.JPG

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I have two parts cars.  One is basically a shell.  The other is complete.  The complete one is in pretty good shape.  They are both 4 doors

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