AHa Posted September 9, 2022 Share Posted September 9, 2022 To my knowledge, people brought all kinds of things home after the wars. My uncle brought several guns back and wooden boxes full of ammunition. I have known people who brought back guns and knives and swords from ww2. I lot of people bought decommissioned jeeps, some with guns still on them. That a general would own a car commissioned for the war after the war was over does not sound strange to me. The car would see hard service in war time and would simply be a used car afterward and many were sold off by the war department. Personal experience aside, I could be wrong and often are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George K Posted September 9, 2022 Share Posted September 9, 2022 John J. Pershing and George Washington are the only six star Generals of the Armies. I don’t think having a car for Pershing was a problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prewarnut Posted September 9, 2022 Share Posted September 9, 2022 (edited) As coincidence would have it, I was talking with a one star retired general on Tuesday and asked him about the "6-star" rank because I saw this somewhere (probably same source from which it is atttributed to Pershing). Granted he was ex-Air-Force however he stated there is no open 6-star rank. He told me there were three or four 5-star's other than EIsenhower, such as Omar Bradley, Hap Arnold....If we check Wikipedia and other online sources it can be seen that while proposal for a 6-star rank was made, it was never legislatively voted for. If we Google 6-star and Pershing there is a book or other things which come up but I think this "rank" was ceremonial or post-service and clearly not official duty in nature. I could be wrong and am certainly not an expert in military affairs but wonder if this is some sort of lore circulating on the web. It is also curious how Pershing would hit 6 stars when first there wasn't a 5 star person in existence at the time, and also Pershing clearly attained 4 stars in service - as displayed on his vehicles, but he isn't promoted to 5 stars in any observable way. As my contact mentioned attaining further stars beyond the first is a political appointment, the rules behind are like politics - murky. Edited September 9, 2022 by prewarnut (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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prewarnut Posted September 11, 2022 Share Posted September 11, 2022 I really like this closed sedan. Another ad mentions it was designed for a couple in MA but not sure if they simply were one of the first to take delivery... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsfarms Posted September 11, 2022 Author Share Posted September 11, 2022 What year is this sedan? It must be an early 1920's. I have never seen a Locomobile with a belt line embossed down the side of the body and hood like this one. Yes custom for sure. Al Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prewarnut Posted September 11, 2022 Share Posted September 11, 2022 I believe the ad is from 1920. It is interesting with the upswung hood to meet the cowl and thus higher windowsill line but yet retaining height for useability. The mid beltline strip probably breaks it up somewhat. It is certainly different. It reminds me of a Brunn Lincoln. I wonder if this is a 48 or 38. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GARRET MCFANN Posted September 11, 2022 Share Posted September 11, 2022 On 9/6/2022 at 4:42 PM, George K said: GARRET MCFANN This must be your fathers car. I saw a great Pershing Loco in a private museum. There are two split windshield in the photo. On 9/7/2022 at 3:59 PM, George K said: This is the Pershing Locomobile I believe I saw in a private museum. It has two added license plate brackets. One for the United States of America 🇺🇸 and four Star General plates. Does you car have these brackets? George K, I see no evidence of the added license plate brackets on my father's car Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George K Posted September 11, 2022 Share Posted September 11, 2022 This is from Hemming’s Classic magazine 2008. Answers some questions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George K Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 On 9/7/2022 at 4:36 AM, prewarnut said: Interesting! Somewhat of a hybrid mix of the previously represented styles, here as a town car but with the steel wheels (dual at rear) and straight fenders and no v-windshield on it. Here's a Nov. 1935 article that describes what happened to it, lest someone thinks they have the original: Only photo I could find from “Rendezvous” with its car. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsfarms Posted September 12, 2022 Author Share Posted September 12, 2022 Who is the actor on the left? Al Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George K Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 42 minutes ago, alsfarms said: Who is the actor on the left? Al Sterling Holloway uncredited in this film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsfarms Posted September 12, 2022 Author Share Posted September 12, 2022 I have seen him in several old movies and enjoy his character acting. Al Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prewarnut Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 George, you just opened up a whole new kettel of fish: Locomobiles in the movies. From the IMCDB, Picking Peaches, 1924: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George K Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 1 hour ago, prewarnut said: George, you just opened up a whole new kettel of fish: Locomobiles in the movies. From the IMCDB, Picking Peaches, 1924: Look back in this topic and you’ll find me showing this picture and asking what the hanging accouterment might be. I mentioned I like the dual spotlights Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George K Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 Here’s a photo I nicked of the 1919 Locomobile Overseas Model. Shows the windshield shape nicely. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsfarms Posted September 13, 2022 Author Share Posted September 13, 2022 Love the Budd wheels. Is it known how many Locomobile 48's came equipped with dual Budd rear wheels? I wonder what the adapter looked like that allowed for dual wheels on the rear? Al Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George K Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 6 hours ago, alsfarms said: Love the Budd wheels. Is it known how many Locomobile 48's came equipped with dual Budd rear wheels? I wonder what the adapter looked like that allowed for dual wheels on the rear? Al GARRET MCFANN posted what they not only look like but are Budd dual rear wheel hubs. Offset rims back to back just like any truck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George K Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 Picture won’t post. Look at his Dropbox photos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George K Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 Interesting photo showing Pershing with the roof luggage rack mentioned in the Hemings article. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsfarms Posted September 15, 2022 Author Share Posted September 15, 2022 For those of you that have never seen the wheel hub design used by Locomobile to facilitate the mounting of Budd disc wheels, I received permission to post here pictures of the hub assemblies used on the Pershing Locomobile limousine for sale elsewhere. Al Picture one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsfarms Posted September 15, 2022 Author Share Posted September 15, 2022 Picture two Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsfarms Posted September 15, 2022 Author Share Posted September 15, 2022 picture three (I asked Garret to share pictures with the dual rear Budd disc wheels mounted, I will share here also) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George K Posted September 17, 2022 Share Posted September 17, 2022 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George K Posted September 19, 2022 Share Posted September 19, 2022 This is the same car in the Budd wheel ad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted September 20, 2022 Share Posted September 20, 2022 Check his thread out: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George K Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 3 hours ago, alsancle said: Check his thread out: It fits in well with these military Locomobiles as the lady looks like Klinger from MASH. Don’t think she? Wanted that picture taken. I understand the sentiment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George K Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 The truth about Garret Mcfann’s Locomobile is it’s a good old car with interesting history but at today’s labor rates and interest in WWI relics it will cost multiple times to restore than it’s carry out value. Cost 10k new, worth 10k today as is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsfarms Posted September 21, 2022 Author Share Posted September 21, 2022 All restorations/costs/investments need to be considered very carefully. If one just wants to drive an old car, get a Dodge or Model T equivalent. Those who are interested in historical significance will gravitate to Locomobile or some other near equivalent, yet it is important to keep starting and ending value in mind before taking one of these "top of the line" automobiles on. Someone, who has decent mechanical skills, could likely come out ok on this one as evidence shows that plenty of the "dirty work" of restoration has been completed on a reasonably low miles Locomobile. That said, finish body work, paint, plating and upholstery are certainly going to add up a serious amount. (The assumption is that this is a complete basket case with NONE of the ticky hard to find parts are with this huge puzzle). Al Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GARRET MCFANN Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 (edited) George K Thank you for your learned knowledge regarding the purchase price for the Pershing Locomobile. As you are one of the handful of experts that I was recommended to contact on this subject, your contribution is duly noted. Locomobile Sale Update An ad has now been placed in the “for sale” section of this website. All offers above 15k will be taken seriously. I came up with this number in consultation with several of these experts, as well as pricing information bantered about this forum. The high offer at the present date is 16K. I would like to acknowledge and thank the Locomobile community for their willingness to help me through this process, not to mention the education I received these past couple of months. It does seem that restored antique automobiles should be worth a lot more than people are willing to pay. That said, very few restores I imagine expect a monetary profit from their endeavors and it is a labor of love. It has been said several times on this forum that it will take “deep pockets”, time, and knowledge to take this project to completion. It is this guy I am looking for. But, as stated in the advertisement, a high bid/offer does not guarantee the sale. We would love to see this car completed in our lifetime. So if you have the knowledge, some time, and can reach into someone else’s pocket… I have recently created the following website address link to keep everybody up to date on this sale. I also thought it may also be an informational platform of interest for Locomobile owners who are not interested in this purchase. There are pictures, a Question & Answer section, as well as the latest offering for the vehicle https://1919pershinglocomobile.wordpress.com/ Thanks, Garret Edited September 21, 2022 by GARRET MCFANN (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George K Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 H 4 hours ago, GARRET MCFANN said: George K Thank you for your learned knowledge regarding the purchase price for the Pershing Locomobile. As you are one of the handful of experts that I was recommended to contact on this subject, your contribution is duly noted. Locomobile Sale Update An ad has now been placed in the “for sale” section of this website. All offers above 15k will be taken seriously. I came up with this number in consultation with several of these experts, as well as pricing information bantered about this forum. The high offer at the present date is 16K. I would like to acknowledge and thank the Locomobile community for their willingness to help me through this process, not to mention the education I received these past couple of months. It does seem that restored antique automobiles should be worth a lot more than people are willing to pay. That said, very few restores I imagine expect a monetary profit from their endeavors and it is a labor of love. It has been said several times on this forum that it will take “deep pockets”, time, and knowledge to take this project to completion. It is this guy I am looking for. But, as stated in the advertisement, a high bid/offer does not guarantee the sale. We would love to see this car completed in our lifetime. So if you have the knowledge, some time, and can reach into someone else’s pocket… I have recently created the following website address link to keep everybody up to date on this sale. I also thought it may also be an informational platform of interest for Locomobile owners who are not interested in this purchase. There are pictures, a Question & Answer section, as well as the latest offering for the vehicle https://1919pershinglocomobile.wordpress.com/ Thanks, Garret Here’s what a friend of mine car sold for from his estate. Stephen was a real car guy and restored this all original together car to Pebble Beach standards. He was a judge at Pebble. This is what the car brought last year. Good luck in your pursuit after your family owned the car from 1967 per your posting. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsfarms Posted September 29, 2022 Author Share Posted September 29, 2022 Any new developments or news on the sale of the several Locomobile's that have been listed for sale in the east and west? Al Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loco 90 Posted September 29, 2022 Share Posted September 29, 2022 Will Loco folks be gathering anywhere at Hershey next week? Thanks, Ben 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsfarms Posted September 29, 2022 Author Share Posted September 29, 2022 Ben, I am guessing that you are going to participate in the auto parts cornucopia called Hershey? Are you looking for anything specific to your Locomobile ventures? Sadly, I will not be making it this year! Al Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loco 90 Posted September 29, 2022 Share Posted September 29, 2022 Nothing in particular, interested in all things Loco. You never know what you will bump into at Hershey. Look for the "Best Built Car in America" sign at GDI 6,7,8 stop by and say Hi. Thanks, Ben 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prewarnut Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 I have to work but wish you guys good luck hunting! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsfarms Posted September 30, 2022 Author Share Posted September 30, 2022 Those Locomobile enthusiasts that frequent here, please share what you see and what you are able to purchase at Hershey, to wet the Locomobile whistle of those of us that can't attend this year and will miss out! Pictures are good!!!!! Al Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsfarms Posted September 30, 2022 Author Share Posted September 30, 2022 Loco 90, maybe next year I will be in a position that I can come and visit Hershey under the "Best Built Car in America" sign and we can have a good chat! Al Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GARRET MCFANN Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 On 9/29/2022 at 8:45 AM, alsfarms said: Any new developments or news on the sale of the several Locomobile's that have been listed for sale in the east and west? Al For those of you that are unaware, I have created the following website for the sale of the Loco, complete with picture gallery and question & answer section: https://1919pershinglocomobile.wordpress.com/ Garret 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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