1911 - 1927 Locomobile 48 & 38 Gathering Place

[alsfarms]

I checked out the Hagerty Website and ran across reference to an original Locomobile Roadster as found by collector Bob Sullivan.  Does any here have more information to share. What a Locomobile!  I can certainly sense that this is a custom unit as I see several things that are mostly considered "typical" on  most Locomobiles, but not on this automobile. Check out the Hagerty Website for more information.

Al

 

 

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[George K]

Here’s a really good photo of a Locomobile. Found it on the photo pre WW11 forum.

[locoman]

Nice Wheels !

[locoman]

And all white tires too, maybe.  I know a car like that.

[George K]

1 hour ago, locoman said:

And all white tires too, maybe.  I know a car like that.

A car like that should be driven. But you need very clean roads.

[alsfarms]

I wonder what size Rudge these wire wheels were?  Maybe the same as Rolls-Royce used?

Al

[prewarnut]

Al, see my post in the "in the news" section for another Locomobile with wire wheels....

[edinmass]

 

How about this one..........😎

[George K]

6 hours ago, edinmass said:

 

How about this one..........😎

 

6 hours ago, edinmass said:

 

How about this one..........😎

 

Nethercutt collection.

[George K]

Like this one.

[prewarnut]

   I remember seeing another Pershing Locomobile at the Larz-Anderson. I said to myself, "I'm going to buy that someday if they ever deaccession it." Well they did but a decade too early for me. Arghhhh. From the Bonhams auction:

 

[alsfarms]

Check out the Appraisal chat, in the "General" section above, going on regarding a 1917 Pershing styled Limousine, unrestored.  Quite an interesting bit of chatter about, the Locomobile, inheritance, capital gains and of course some good and some disdain for antique automobile appraisers.

Al

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[alsfarms]

How did the green Locomobile Sportif shown above, get the rear canted windshield assembly.  I thought they should all be bolt upright?

Al

[GARRET MCFANN]

Moving this conversation down here , as was recommended.

 

1917- 1919 LOCOMOBILE UPDATE

 

 

As was suggested, I contacted Steve Moskowitz, president of the Auto Club, and he was very helpful and informative. He recommended two accredited companies, the AAG and I.VAN for the Locomobile appraisal. He also gave me contact information for the aforementioned Locomobile expert Tim O.

 

Tim’s informed knowledge was most appreciated. Tim thought getting an appraiser to look at it, in its present condition, would be difficult. He also sent my pictures to several folks he thought may be interested in the purchase.

 

Pictures are available for your perusal  by

follow this URL link to the photos of the 1917-1919 Locomobile:

 

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/df31ofk9ekeuaki/AABb9QE5oBizj0aIU6MOxR4fa?dl=0

 

As always , your thoughts and recommendations are always welcome.

 

Garret

[George K]

On 7/27/2022 at 3:38 AM, edinmass said:

The above photo is neat………never seen anything like it. The Loco tag looks like it’s added much later…….obviously if George took the snapshot it’s correct. How common is it to see two tags on a Loco? I can’t remember seeing a builder tag on any in person. 

 

On 7/29/2022 at 7:34 AM, George K said:

P.S. Check out the Lyndhurst photo.

I think your latest photo proves us both wrong.

[edinmass]

That’s what I was thinking when I saw it, so I  thought a photo was worth the effort. When you think you have seen everything, and have a good gut feel if something is right or wrong……..you get kicked in the ass. 

[George K]

Found this picture. Unusual side mounts. Betting it’s the same car car for sale on HCCA. Both are 1918. Addition of front brakes is interesting upgrade.

[George K]

10 hours ago, edinmass said:

That’s what I was thinking when I saw it, so I  thought a photo was worth the effort. When you think you have seen everything, and have a good gut feel if something is right or wrong……..you get kicked in the ass. 

Once a guy starts seeing them they pop up everywhere. This on the Ex Lars Anderson Pershing Locomobile.

[prewarnut]

8 hours ago, George K said:

Found this picture. Unusual side mounts. Betting it’s the same car car for sale on HCCA. Both are 1918. Addition of front brakes is interesting upgrade.

 

   George, that gives me something to think about....the tops were somewhat interchangeable. I'm doing my best to prove you wrong but I just can't.😉  Was that Ridgefield?

[George K]

Don’t know. I found it as a color slide on Ebay for buck. I’m sure somebody can identify. Side mounts are not common on Locomobiles.

[alsfarms]

I wonder if the may have been used more on the later 48's when it was more typical for a Locomobile started to see 21" ballon tires in place of the two different sized high pressure tires that was certainly much more typical.  In my thinking, that is why the typical Locomobile dual rear spare tires, one size spare for the front and one size spare for the rear.

Al

[RGairing]

If anyone needs 48 hp Loco parts and a project let me know. Have the Limo as pictured,  extra chassis, engines, rear ends and much more.  Helping a friend find a good home for this good stuff.  Bob 330-933-0402

 

[Grimy]

1 minute ago, RGairing said:

If anyone needs 48 hp Loco parts and a project let me know. Have the Limo as pictured,  extra chassis, engines, rear ends and much more.  Helping a friend find a good home for this good stuff.  Bob 330-933-0402

 

That would keep @edinmass out of saloons for a few weeks.....  I wish I were 30 years younger.

[GARRET MCFANN]

Since RGairing has opened the door to type 48 Locomobile project/restoration cars for sale, I thought I would throw my hat in the ring. My father recently passed away and left us with a 1917- 1919  Locomobile Type 48 Series 4. They were part of a series of General Staff cars build for WW I in which twelve were shipped to France and two were returned. My father says this one never made it to France…

This car is now living in the San Francisco Bay Area in two parts The engine and chassis seem to be fairly complete and restored and the body is on blocks and looks good except the insides. Please follow the Dropbox link to see pictures of this car and I will try to answer all questions. Thank you for your interest and comments

 

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/df31ofk9ekeuaki/AABb9QE5oBizj0aIU6MOxR4fa?dl=0

 

Garret

[alsfarms]

Hello Garrett, Thanks for posting these pictures of your Locomobile 48 Pershing Limousine project.  Could you please share a "before" picture of this project.

Al

[alsfarms]

Those interested in Locomobile 48 projects, you are certainly in luck with these two 48 Limousine projects.  Having two significant Locomobile projects available doesn't happen very often.  Now is your opportunity.......

Al

[prewarnut]

   I was waiting to put this in "the news" section but it seems relevant here. Hard to make too much out though....

 

[George K]

Expensive when new. Demand now is low

[alsfarms]

George, What can you tell this group about the disc wheels shown on the bottom Pershing Locomobile Limousine?  They appear to be side mounted and likely 25".  I would guess that they would be the same as found on the Studebaker Big 6 or the big Nash of similar vintage, the Advanced 6.

Al

[George K]

20 minutes ago, alsfarms said:

George, What can you tell this group about the disc wheels shown on the bottom Pershing Locomobile Limousine?  They appear to be side mounted and likely 25".  I would guess that they would be the same as found on the Studebaker Big 6 or the big Nash of similar vintage, the Advanced 6.

Al

I’ll look into your question when I have time. These caught my eye the other day. Curbsideclassic blog posted these.

[alsfarms]

I was chasing a set of Disteel wheels for another project then decided that they have too many lug bolts for my taste.  I don't think Locomobile used Disteel.

Al

[George K]

Locomobile used Michelin built under license by Budd. Disteel had some style. Budd was a truck wheel. I owned a set that had Rudge hubs. Very little interest in or use for them. 

[George K]

Michelin Budd

[prewarnut]

    Interestingly, in regards to the Pershing's staff cars there may have been two types. First, the official advertisment one with the split v-shaped windshield and straight fenders (undoubtedly to save on cost or durability in situations with extreme muddy roads). Also, second, a flat windshield and traditional fenders arrangement as can be glimpsed in the parade photos and also here (from worldwar1.com).

 

Edited September 5, 2022 by prewarnut (see edit history)

[George K]

For sure. One with vee special the flat windshield standard body.You can pick up one offered above.

[George K]

1 hour ago, prewarnut said:

    Interestingly, in regards to the Pershing's staff cars there may have been two types. First, the official advertisment one with the split v-shaped windshield and straight fenders (undoubtedly to save on cost or durability in situations with extreme muddy roads). Also, second, a flat windshield and traditional fenders arrangement as can be glimpsed in the parade photos and also here (from worldwar1.com).

 

If you have the gumption buy both projects and have the pair.

[alsfarms]

Gumption, ambition, vision and deep pockets......

Al

[George K]

42 minutes ago, alsfarms said:

Gumption, ambition, vision and deep pockets......

Al

Sounds like you Al.

[alsfarms]

Occasionally, even I have a reality check!  I do hope that some enthusiast will be able to stroke a feasible deal and continue with the restoration.

Al

[GARRET MCFANN]

20 hours ago, alsfarms said:

Could you please share a "before" picture of this project.

Al

Hello Al

 As of yet, I have found no " before" pictures. This is unfortunate as several people have asked this question. I do have some pictures of the on- going restoration though.

3 hours ago, George K said:

3 hours ago, George K said:

First, the official advertisment one with the split v-shaped windshield and straight fenders (undoubtedly to save on cost or durability in situations with extreme muddy roads). Also, second, a flat windshield and traditional fenders arrangement as can be glimpsed in the parade photos and also here (from worldwar1.com)

Hello George K

According to my father's notes on this subject, he indicates only several of these cars were made with the  split v-shaped windshields. Maybe someone more knowledgeable than I, on this  Locomobile,  can respond.