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Why don't car manufacturers take surveys and start producing cars with what people do or don't want in vehicles other than taking it on themselves trying to decide what's in our best interests, for example,basic cars with wind up windows,basic radio,ect. All I want is a/c and f/m!

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Im pretty sure they do ask and thats why you cant get roll up windows anymore. Nobody wants that stuff and its cheaper and easier to make all the cars the same. Why should they waste time and money to engineer a car with roll up windows if only a handful of people is going to buy them? Its like asking why doesnt anyone make a good rotary phone with a cord these days?!?!?

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12 minutes ago, Buick35 said:

Why don't car manufacturers take surveys and start producing cars with what people do or don't want in vehicles other than taking it on themselves trying to decide what's in our best interests, for example,basic cars with wind up windows,basic radio,ect. All I want is a/c and f/m!

 

Those are called "focus groups" and automakers spend millions of dollars on them, as they have been for decades.  I would venture to say that the most members of this site do not represent the tastes of the general driving public (and I include myself in that small group).

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It seems many new car buyers are high enough on the income spectrum that luxury , convenience, image and the perception of safety are their primary concerns.  

 Several years ago I was in the market for a basic commuter. The manufacturers were all holding end of model year sales campaigns at the time. Large newspaper adverts showing quite enticing prices on basic versions of their entry level cars.. The only hitch... none of the dealers in my area actually had any in stock. I was time after time shown the higher level trim package versions at anything up to nearly double the "special" advertised price. The same story each time, no one buys the basic version and the dealer would be stuck with them if they ordered any.

  I eventually found one , a base model Hyundai Accent.  Manual 5 speed, nothing optional beyond floor mats and a decent AM-FM CD player. . All the while the salesman tried to upsell me into the higher trim level , only an extra $30.00 a week. And several times during the transaction put  emphasis on the "fact" that at trade in time I would do much better with the "in demand" model. 

 A couple of years later when my Wife decided she should buy a cheaper on fuel commuter we tried to replicate my purchase during that years repeat of the "end of model year" sales campaign .

  This time the dealer demanded a $500.00 non refundable deposit to even get one of the basic ones from an area dealer who showed one in stock. Needless to say we were not going to play that game. And when I did a bit of online research and tracked down who claimed to have the car in stock that dealer gave a number of excuses about why we could not come over and give it a test drive. No doubt it was a car that did not exist.  It probably did not help that my wife was going to pay cash and therefore would have cost the dealer his cut of the financing.

 Shortly after an opening came up at the hospital less than 10 minutes away from our home and my wife transferred her Nursing job to that location. She is still happily driving her Ranger and enjoying much reduced fuel bills.

 

Major advertising campaign all to support the classic "bait and switch" . And across all the entry level makers.

 

Greg in Canada

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Supposedly Henry Ford, when asked about what people want back at the beginning, said: "if you asked people what they wanted, they would say - a faster horse".

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"Give the people what they want."  An excellent idea,

and we should put you in charge of one of the car companies!

 

How about a car that seats 6 people comfortably?

And it need not be a 4-door sedan, because 2-door 

hardtops, 2-door sedans, and convertibles used to fill

that requirement nicely, while looking stylish at the same time.

 

Has anyone checked the middle rear seat position lately?

It's very uncomfortable, even hump-like.  Even on the

big Lexus LS460 sedan!  That means that a supposed

5-passenger car has become a 4-passenger car.

 

In some respects, the automotive industry has not been advancing.

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How about a USA made station wagon, not mini van. If you want a wagon today, you have to get a German or other Euro car. I know I'm not in any "focus group" because I have so much computerized stuff, in my car that I don't know how to use, don't know what it's for and afraid to touch. I couldn't figure why my RPMs were so high and found out that my car was in "sport mode". Re-set it to "normal driving" and cut the RPMs in half. Also, I can't do my own oil changes anymore. The oil drain plug is now a one time use part, when you remove it it need to be replaced with a new plug AND it requires a special tool to remove it. I need a '57 Chevy!

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35 minutes ago, 46 woodie said:

 Also, I can't do my own oil changes anymore. The oil drain plug is now a one time use part, when you remove it it need to be replaced with a new plug AND it requires a special tool to remove it. I need a '57 Chevy!

 

Wow, what make of car is that with the one-time use oil plug?  I can foresee the day when individuals will no longer be allowed to change their own oil, due to environmental concerns.  It sounds like the manufacturer of your car is "clued in" as to what's coming ... legislation-wise.

 

Maybe I'm just overly paranoid about our "benevolent" big brother ... maybe not.

 

Cheers,

Grog

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When I can afford a new car I'll let you know, right now I'll like a used low miles crew cab pickup. By the way this is the ANTIQUE AUTOMOBILE CLUB OF AMERICA, who in their right mind gives a ratsbutt about current vehicles? Bob 

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Even in the 1990s, Pontiac would not let me order a car the way I wanted.  Certain things came with certain packages.  And certain numbers of cars were manufactured with certain packages.  It was really  frustrating. I am old enough to remember the good old days: My grandfather or my father could go into a Pontiac dealer or Buick dealer, respectively, and fill out an order sheet and get the Catalina or Electra 225 that they wanted with the equipment and features that they wanted.  Even Hyundai would not let my wife get the super - duper stereo system in her SUV unless she purchased the third row seating.  We did not want the third row, so we could not get the stereo upgrade.  Really dumb.  

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Manufacturers don’t care what enthusiasts want.  We make up a very small part of the market.  They answer to the government, regulations, lawyers, and banks.   I figure any product that’s not what I want is because I’m not the target market.  

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44 minutes ago, 1937hd45 said:

, who in their right mind gives a ratsbutt about current vehicles? 

 

We do, as these are the future AACA vehicles you will be seeing on the field. If the car is never made or sold, then they can’t be collected. 

 

I’m sure the same comments were made in the 50s. .......

 

Who cares what Detroit is making today in 1955, no one will ever collect these cars. Model As are the new AACA vehicles we want. 

 

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I'm reminded of, "Give the people what they think they want."  George Ade. Fables in Slang

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I was working the front counter in a GM dealership when the Chevy II was announced.  The newspaper quoted a price for 4 cyl, 2 dr with BW tires and hubcaps.  No radio.  There were none of these in Manitoba at the time.  Our base model in the showroom had a 6cyl and WW tires.  If I remember correctly all the Chev II's we sold had WW tires, wheel discs and a radio.

I watched and listened twice while one of our salesmen accessorized the Chev II until a regular Chev was cheaper.  He then accessorized the Chev until a basic Olds was cheaper.  In both cases the purchaser came in looking for basic transportation and drove out with a well equipped Olds 88.

Aficonados aside I don't believe 90% of car buyers know what they want when they go shopping for new wheels.  

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2 hours ago, 46 woodie said:

 If you want a wagon today, you have to get a German or other Euro car. 

 

Believe it or not, Buick now makes a mid-sized 

station wagon.

 

https://jalopnik.com/the-2018-buick-regal-tourx-wagon-will-start-under-30-0-1796467060

 

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12 minutes ago, Tinindian said:

I was working the front counter in a GM dealership when the Chevy II was announced.  The newspaper quoted a price for 4 cyl, 2 dr with BW tires and hubcaps.  No radio.  There were none of these in Manitoba at the time.  Our base model in the showroom had a 6cyl and WW tires.  If I remember correctly all the Chev II's we sold had WW tires, wheel discs and a radio.

I watched and listened twice while one of our salesmen accessorized the Chev II until a regular Chev was cheaper.  He then accessorized the Chev until a basic Olds was cheaper.  In both cases the purchaser came in looking for basic transportation and drove out with a well equipped Olds 88.

Aficonados aside I don't believe 90% of car buyers know what they want when they go shopping for new wheels.  

 

I think many buyers want their ego's stroked.  You work hard and deserve better, and it is ONLY $30.00-$50.00-$80.00 a week more. 

 Many of the cost sensitive potential buyers in my area are already on public transportation.  Western Canada has sky high gas prices, staggering cost of living for middle class and lower earners . High insurance . Dreadful traffic congestion at rush hour. Very high parking rates downtown. Transit use increases every year and would increase even more if there was the capacity to serve more riders on popular routes at peak hours.

 

Greg in Canada

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1 hour ago, Tinindian said:

 

Aficonados aside I don't believe 90% of car buyers know what they want when they go shopping for new wheels.  

 

Very true but one thing do want and most likely need is a new car and the sales people know that, otherwise you would not have walked in the door. I had just bought a new GMC Diesel Sierra and my friend and fellow a AACA Member is the manager of the dealership for a long time. He told me that in the Metro New York Area that 85% of the car are leases, and he knows that he will see that customer every 2 to 3 years. It has become a painless transaction and is done in a 2 hours. "You were paying $XXX a month I can put you in the for $50 more, sign the papers and out the door" I myself never leased but many people it is the way to go.

So technically they do give the majority of people what they want and that is a new car every 3 years

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I keep a vintage rotary phone behind the bar. It's durable, you can hear it ring when the place is busy, you can clearly hear on the ear piece, and it makes a hell of a weapon if you need it. ?

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2 hours ago, John_S_in_Penna said:

 

Believe it or not, Buick now makes a mid-sized 

station wagon.

 

https://jalopnik.com/the-2018-buick-regal-tourx-wagon-will-start-under-30-0-1796467060

 

nklzfmtm2i8kymlw02gf.jpg

 

That isn't a minivan / crossover ? An awfully tall "car". Why is it all the Soccer Mom's I see want channel their inner Bus Driver.  Perhaps they watched too much Partridge Family when they were young. 

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If I was in the market for a Station Wagon it would be more like this.

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Or even this.

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6 hours ago, Buick35 said:

Why don't car manufacturers take surveys and start producing cars with what people do or don't want in vehicles other than taking it on themselves trying to decide what's in our best interests, for example,basic cars with wind up windows,basic radio,ect. All I want is a/c and f/m!

I can not wait for the new Hudson's:D

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1 hour ago, GregLaR said:

I keep a vintage rotary phone behind the bar. It's durable, you can hear it ring when the place is busy, you can clearly hear on the ear piece, and it makes a hell of a weapon if you need it. ?

Greg, they are indispensable where I live, as they still work to call the power company when a tree takes the lines down. And that happens often. Haven't had to clout anyone with it to date, though.

Apologies for wandering off topic.

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I think that our British Cousins would refer to that style Jag as a "shooting brake", not a station wagon.   Although it looks like a Jaguar (1966 Jaguar S-Type Saloon?) rear-ended by a Morris Minor "woody", I like it.  Actually, I like it a lot.  If "They" produced it, I'd probably want one ... but I doubt I could afford one.

 

foxbat2.jpg

 

Cheers,

Grog

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In the motorcycle world the same sentiments were put forth by the people and the manufacturers listened, they built new versions of the 1960s, 70s and 80s motorcycles as requested.  When the public saw them and rode them they found out they really didn’t like going back to that era after all so the dealers were stuck with unsold units.  We say we want this or that until it happens and then the majority of requesters fail to show up to actually buy.

 

I would like to see exterior and interior colors expanded and less of the 1001 buttons on the steering wheel as a future trend.  Then again I am unable to drive anymore so it’s kind of moot that I offer any input!

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5 hours ago, Frank DuVal said:

 

We do, as these are the future AACA vehicles you will be seeing on the field. If the car is never made or sold, then they can’t be collected. 

 

I’m sure the same comments were made in the 50s. .......

 

Who cares what Detroit is making today in 1955, no one will ever collect these cars. Model As are the new AACA vehicles we want. 

 

Unless they drop the 25 year old requirement to join AACA (a isn't antique any more IMO) I'll be 93 years old and able to walk past the line up with less interest in them than I have now. Bob 

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57 minutes ago, capngrog said:

 

I think that our British Cousins would refer to that style Jag as a "shooting brake", not a station wagon.   Although it looks like a Jaguar (1966 Jaguar S-Type Saloon?) rear-ended by a Morris Minor "woody", I like it.  Actually, I like it a lot.  If "They" produced it, I'd probably want one ... but I doubt I could afford one.

 

foxbat2.jpg

 

Cheers,

Grog

Pretty sure it is based on a XK 150. And yes , no doubt quite pricy.  But probably no more than a current upper range SUV.  And you would not find yourself at the grocery store surrounded by dozens of cookie cutter look alike's

.Shooting Brake would be of course be correct. However it looks a lot more like a station wagon than most of the x over monstrosity's of the last 10 years . 

 

Greg

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