Restorer32 2,108 Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 When was the last time you saw on of these at a 50 car church parking lot show? Untouched original. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
Restorer32 2,108 Posted August 27, 2018 Author Share Posted August 27, 2018 Lived for many many years in the showroom of a local Chevy dealer. Current owner bought it at a public sale. He is NOT an AACA member. Link to post Share on other sites
Restorer32 2,108 Posted August 27, 2018 Author Share Posted August 27, 2018 Shared the parking lot with a '57 Chevy Fuelie Conv (a real one). Link to post Share on other sites
Restorer32 2,108 Posted August 27, 2018 Author Share Posted August 27, 2018 '29 is one of 296 built. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
TerryB 2,924 Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 That is really impressive! Sure looks like I attend the wrong church, ours has nothing but Honda’s and Toyota’s in the parking lot! 1 Link to post Share on other sites
durant frank 28 Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 2 hours ago, Restorer32 said: '29 is one of 296 built. Nice to see another one! Got one in my barn. Seems like a lot of those 296 built survived Frank 1 Link to post Share on other sites
dibarlaw 1,969 Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 With a 3 digit PA antique plate it was probably registered as such in the early 1950s. A 1927 Buick mdl 24 Roadster originally from Lititz. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Gunsmoke 741 Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 If I recall from a long thread on the VCCA site 4 or 5 years ago, it has long since been debunked that less than 300 of these Landau Phaetons were built. While no one know precisely, I believe the current estimate is somewhere in the 6000-7000 range. So not as rare as those who own one would like! 1 Link to post Share on other sites
CHuDWah 484 Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 That's a tough one - preserve a great old survivor as is or make it a beautiful restoration? In any case it's a unique body style - I never understood what audience it was aimed at. The laundau top smacks of a chauffeured limo, town car, etc but Chev wasn't a high-end car like most of those. OTOH, a 1/2 convertible-1/2 sedan doesn't seem like a practical family car, although I suppose the kids and dogs would've loved that backseat. Link to post Share on other sites
Restorer32 2,108 Posted August 27, 2018 Author Share Posted August 27, 2018 Built for the carriage trade that fell on hard times. Link to post Share on other sites
TG57Roadmaster 335 Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 For comparison's sake, here's a '29 Landau Phaeton spied at a West Coast auction in 2004 bought, I believe, by the Peterson Museum. Beautiful cars, in any condition! TG Link to post Share on other sites
CHuDWah 484 Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 4 hours ago, Restorer32 said: Built for the carriage trade that fell on hard times. They didn't fall on hard times until late October, 1929 - dunno exactly when 29 Chev production ended but I'd think it at least would have been winding down by then. Link to post Share on other sites
8E45E 1,286 Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 Here is one I saw last June: Link to post Share on other sites
chistech 3,168 Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 I was just at Lebaron Bonney and they mentioned that the landau phaeton roof was the most difficult roofs they’ve made. Link to post Share on other sites
Terry Bond 1,846 Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 Think I've seen that car before. As I recall it was part of a big collection that included as lot of neat Corvettes. Saw the collection while on an AACA tour a few years ago. Good to see it out and running if that's the same car. Terry Link to post Share on other sites
Ozstatman 401 Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 Back in 2016 saw what I think was a '29 Chev Landaulet at Victor Harbor, South Australia undergoing restoration. Also a pair of "garden art" Rudge Whitworth Wire Wheels for sale. Link to post Share on other sites
Restorer32 2,108 Posted August 28, 2018 Author Share Posted August 28, 2018 The owner, a young fellow, asked our opinion and we suggested he should never restore it but maintain it like it is and enter it in HPOF but I think his intent is to sell it. Link to post Share on other sites
mercer09 1,198 Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 If I recall from a long thread on the VCCA site 4 or 5 years ago, it has long since been debunked that less than 300 of these Landau Phaetons were built. While no one know precisely, I believe the current estimate is somewhere in the 6000-7000 range. So not as rare as those who own one would like! true- I have seen so many of these over the years. a few also at Hershey. brings to mind the 32 ford- more of them today then Henry ever built. Link to post Share on other sites
Dave39MD 190 Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 The current estimate by those doing the research is 15,000 +. I think they have accounted for at least a 100 or so survivors. The theory is the 294/300 number came from just the Flint plant and a shorter than actual production period. Cars from almost all plants have been found. Dave 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Restorer32 2,108 Posted August 28, 2018 Author Share Posted August 28, 2018 I assumed the 296 was accurate. After all I read it on the internet. Link to post Share on other sites
Restorer32 2,108 Posted August 28, 2018 Author Share Posted August 28, 2018 I find it hard to believe they could sell 15000 of them. Link to post Share on other sites
Dave39MD 190 Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 Chevrolet car sales were strong for the new six and remained so for Chevrolet until late in 1931. I think the researchers also though that Chevrolet sent one to each dealer for a traffic builder which would help the number. Dave Link to post Share on other sites
mercer09 1,198 Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 True-Chevy outsold Ford in 31. Was a very good year for chevy! Why Ford needed that v-8 quick............... Link to post Share on other sites
Dave Henderson 282 Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 37 minutes ago, mercer09 said: True-Chevy outsold Ford in 31. Was a very good year for chevy! Why Ford needed that v-8 quick............... Chevy styling was a year ahead of Ford's in '29. Chevy outsold Ford each year in the '30's except '35. Link to post Share on other sites
Gunsmoke 741 Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 (edited) "Chevy outsold Ford each year in the '30's except '35". Not according to Wikipedia, whose automobile production for the 10 year period 1930-1939 indicates Ford outsold Chevrolet in 1930, 1934, 1935, 1936, and 1937, 5 years of the 10. Totals for the 10 year period are shown as 6,456,209 for Ford and 5,935,694 for Chevrolet. Now if GM was the subject of the math, adding Pontiac, Buick, Olds, etc. then no doubt GM would come out on top. but the sentence did say "Chevy outsold Ford". As for why Chevrolet outsold Ford in '31, 32, not much to do with styling (Chevy Independence and Ford Model A looked pretty much alike) big difference was Chevy had brought out the stovebolt 6 in 1929, and by 1931 it was quickly catching on as a more reliable engine, more horsepower, overhead valves etc. The arrival of the Ford V8 in '32 took a couple of years to catch on with the buying public and by '34 Ford moved ahead in sales. Edited August 30, 2018 by Gunsmoke (see edit history) 1 Link to post Share on other sites
chistech 3,168 Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 On 8/29/2018 at 7:56 PM, Gunsmoke said: "Chevy outsold Ford each year in the '30's except '35". Not according to Wikipedia, whose automobile production for the 10 year period 1930-1939 indicates Ford outsold Chevrolet in 1930, 1934, 1935, 1936, and 1937, 5 years of the 10. Totals for the 10 year period are shown as 6,456,209 for Ford and 5,935,694 for Chevrolet. Now if GM was the subject of the math, adding Pontiac, Buick, Olds, etc. then no doubt GM would come out on top. but the sentence did say "Chevy outsold Ford". As for why Chevrolet outsold Ford in '31, 32, not much to do with styling (Chevy Independence and Ford Model A looked pretty much alike) big difference was Chevy had brought out the stovebolt 6 in 1929, and by 1931 it was quickly catching on as a more reliable engine, more horsepower, overhead valves etc. The arrival of the Ford V8 in '32 took a couple of years to catch on with the buying public and by '34 Ford moved ahead in sales. I agree the stove bolt was the key but also something has to be mentioned about the wood body. There’s a huge difference in the feel and sound of the car when driving or closing doors especially. I was at a show recently with my 31’ special sedan and was parked right next to a beautifully restored 33’ fordoor. We were admiring each other’s cars and I opened a door to show the Fords owner my interior, then closed my door which sounds very solid, much like closing the door on an old wood ice chest. The 33’ owner did the same and then closed his door. It literally sounded like closing a door on an all metal garden shed or hitting a 55 gallon drum with a bat. While I thought that, I didn’t say it. It was actually the Ford owner who commented on how much more solid my car doors sounded when they were closed and that his car sounded like a tin can. Now yes, we all know the wood is the very reason why there are more F’s than C’s in existence these days but I’m referencing what I believe many had to experience back when they were new looking at the cars. While the 29 body was more solid than the 28, the 30 was even more so than the 29, with more body improvements on the 31 then even more on the 32’. But what it comes down to eventually is power and that is the case today. Just look at the big threes diesel pickup line up. All about the power and satisfying the power hungry owners. So once the V8 Ford caught on, it ran all over the stovebolt in sales. How many salesmen back then you think brought up that it was Clyde Barrows engine of choice? Have to say, Even my unfinished doors on my Olds Cabriolet sound better closing than those on my friends restored Ford Cabriolet. Now I’m going to get a bunch of grief over my post!!!!! Link to post Share on other sites
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