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Roger Walling

1948 Chrysler Royal Limousine

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 Does a 1948 chrysler royal limousine have a door pillar between the doors?

 A friend has a Limo for sale and I can't open the doors to check if it is a Windsor or a Royal. I can't see what model it is, it's buried in the brush.

 If it is a Royal, it might be worth restoring?

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I am pretty certain the Crown Imperial was the only Chrysler with the Sedambulace model where the center post between the doors can be removed.

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I too believe what keiser31 has stated. that removable door post was a modification,  often the work of the Derham Body Company of Rosemont, Pa. who were Chrysler dealers in that era as well in addition to their custom coachwork activity.

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Sorry....I just re-read the question. Yes, there will be a door post between the two doors. The limo would have a glass divider between the driver and rear passenger compartments. The 1946 and 1947 have leather in the driver compartment and fabric to match the rear in 1948.

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As far as restoration, it depends on it's condition as to what all has to be done to restore it. If it is a true limo, it may have enough value. If not, it is probably just a four door sedan and may not be a worthy car for a full restoration if you want to gain a profit later.

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It also depends on how much you like the car. Sometimes a car can be worth the restoration costs to the owner only. That is OK, too.

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Should be badges toward the rear hood sides.

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Yes there is a pillar between the front and rear doors. The rear door hinges at the back which makes it a little confusing.

 

Chrysler made an extra long body for 8 passenger sedans, limousines and taxicabs. They used the same body to make Dodge, DeSoto, Chrysler and Imperial. I have seen and worked on a Dodge airport limousine with this body. All told they made about 20,000 of all makes, over 4 years.

You could get anything from a Dodge or DeSoto taxicab, to a DeSoto Suburban 8 pass sedan, all the way up to a custom built Crown  Imperial limousine complete with divider window and all luxury options of the time. All built using the same body shell on a long wheelbase chassis. 139.5" for the six cylinder models, 145.5" for the straight eight Crown Imperial.

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There is the "B" pillar as noted on both the 8 passenger sedan model and the limousine'... some can be removed ''

I am not sure that there is a divider window on any model of these low line Royals.

626 Royal 8 passenger sedans were produced....169 Royal limousine's were produced.

I don't think eithermodel of Royal  would be money wise to restore as the Royal is the lowest end Chrysler.

A 1946-48 Crown Imperial limousine sedan might be worth the investment if all there and not rusty. That's a big might!

Years ago I saw a nice original sell for in the $90,000.00 range . Does not mean that's what one of those eight cylinder Imperials is worth that!

Some pictures of Royal LWB cars...

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I went and looked at it closer today and it is about as good of condition as the lower photo above but not all torn up.

 It is a Windsor and has a door post but I didn't know they were removable, I will have to check to see if this one is.

 The spark plugs have been out for 20 years.

 It is a 7 pass. 4 dr.sedan, 6 cyl. (not a limo)

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Were most of these cars with the jump seats, actually funeral cars rather than private limos?

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2 hours ago, Roger Walling said:

I went and looked at it closer today and it is about as good of condition as the lower photo above but not all torn up.

 It is a Windsor and has a door post but I didn't know they were removable, I will have to check to see if this one is.

 The spark plugs have been out for 20 years.

 It is a 7 pass. 4 dr.sedan, 6 cyl. (not a limo)

Some were removable....some were not.

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Removable pillar was seen on cars used for ambulance service. It would help in getting a wheelchair, stretcher or casket into the car. Not sure the purpose on a car with full interior. These are wonderful cars. we had two unrestored like new examples a New Yorker and a Royal Sedan.

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As others have mentioned the door post was not removable. A few were modified for ambulance or hearse duty with a removable door post. Don't know if any survive.

 

The pictures above seem to be of standard Chrysler sedans not the long wheelbase model. The limousine body was a foot and a half longer, a full 18" longer wheelbase, 139.5 on the six cylinder DeSoto, Chrysler Windsor and Royal models and 145.5 on the eight cylinder Crown Imperial.

Here is the real 8 passenger sedan or limousine body.

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Roger from your description it sounds like a rough condition parts car. Those old Chryslers are nice cars but not especially rare or expensive. If you want one you should look around for a better one, they are available for decent prices.

 

A quick search turned up a few nice drivers from $9700 to $18000 with a Town and Country woody convertible for $109,000. If you find one locally you may get a nice sedan between $5000 and $10000.

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I went and looked at it closer today and it is as good of condition as the lower photo above.

 It is a Windsor and has a door post but I didn't know they were removable, I will have to check to see if this one is.

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 I think the body work is minimal and thinking of painting it very dark blue and painting all the chrome (accept the SS mlds.) to keep the cost down.

 I am thinking about silver or another color that would complement the blue.

 Has anyone done this and were they pleased with the outcome?

Plating the chrome would put the resurrection out of the question.

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It's all according. If you absolutely demand the long wheelbase 8 passenger with jump seats model that narrows down the choices. But, they did build a lot of them and some survive. If you just want a big sedan the regular Chrysler or DeSoto is much more available.

 

In either case you could buy a good one for less than it would cost to put that junker back in commission. The exception would be if you demand the 8 pass and nothing else, and can't find one or if you just want a project and don't care how much time and money it takes. They are a big car with a lot of chrome, upholstery etc and not cheap to restore.

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That seems like a heavy car for just a 6 cylinder engine to move around especially with a Fluiddrive. If its anything like the picture it is more than just a paintjob away from being ready to use. You will spend the cost of a paint job getting it running again and making breaks and suspension safe. Plus wiring. Plus radiator. Plus plus plus. It adds up. Take Rustys advice and buy one thats closer to running.

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Check out this fascinating story of a 1951 DeSoto Suburban 8 passenger sedan by the original owner. He drove the car more than 180,000 miles between 1951 and 1975, with one engine rebuild and an overhaul. My favorite quote, "at high altitudes at 70 MPH it smooths out like a perfectly balanced turbine". This in a 6000 pound car, with 4.11 gears powered by a flathead six. Towing a trailer.

https://www.allpar.com/cars/desoto/suburban-1951.html

 

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 I have found another 1948 8 pass. Windsor. It has the original seat covers that were installed when new.

 The chrome has been re-done and is in a box. It had been repainted about 25 years ago and it runs.

 I want to negotiate, but the owner (who will never do anything with it) does not want to sell now.

 The waiting starts ...

 

 (The other one that I looked at would look very nice with a 392 wedged under the hood) The owner wants $2000 for it. No title.

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Any Chrysler product before 1951 is hard to put a V8 into because they were all designed for straight six or straight eight engines. When they brought out the V8 51 Chryslers they had to redesign the whole front of the car, make it wider, and move the steering over about 6 inches to clear the motor.

 

It is possible to squeeze in a small block V8, you may have to offset it to the right for clearance. I have seen Chev 350, Dodge 318 and 360 installations. The Chev fits the easiest. The 318 and 360 are harder to fit, but both are the same size so it makes no difference which you use.

 

Going by your description the other car isn't worth anywhere near $2000. If you keep checking out the ads you will find a good one to buy. I would rather spend 2 days and drive 1000 miles to buy a good car than buy a rusted out heap and spend 2 years and thousands of dollars trying to make a good car out of it.

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 Rusty, thanks for the info. on squeezing the 392 in. I hadn't looked at it that close.

 

 ( Now what do I do with the two 392's sitting in my storage?)

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