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1960 Pontiac Bonneville (Maude)

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This is my 1960 Pontiac Bonneville sport sedan that has been passed down and has been in the family since new.  It was purchased new by my Great-great Uncle Hugh Woodford in Park Rapids, MN in June or July 1960.  They drove out to see my grandfather and my father rode in this car when it was new and he was 14 years old.  When Hugh passed in 1968, my G-G Aunt Maude (and namesake of the car) drove it until she passed in 1981.  It went to my grandfather in Cheyenne and was stored under a car cover for a decade and in a closed garage for the next 25 years.  He passed in 2010, but the car stayed until I could pick it up in August 2016.  I have only done what repairs are necessary to get it drivable.  Now for the restoration part.

 

I am not looking to restore the car to showroom new, rather I am looking to restore it just enough to bring back some of the dazzle of its original shine, make everything fully functional, and repair the rust damage (just gotta love the MN winters.)  I want to keep the car as original as possible as it has a nearly perfect interior and the paint is original except where some rust repair had been done including the front fenders behind the tires and the front of the rockers.  The gray primer is where I started restoring it as a kid 30 years ago.  

 

What needs replacement / repair:

1. Power brake booster.  Where can I get this rebuilt?  I have always bought aftermarket (like on my 57 Chevy) so getting one restored is new to me. 

2. Restore headlight bezels.  Both are pranged pretty badly from my G-G Aunt Maude driving like it was a full contact sport.  

3. Pot metal inserts on the sides restored / replated (3 on each side along the quarter panel trim)

4. New heater core / repaired heater core.  This one decided to give up the ghost while on her initial drive about 3 miles from home. 

5.  Rebuild the transmission (Turbo-hydromatic).  No one local that does transmission will touch it.  I have a rebuild kit, but no one in Alabama / Georgia apparently has the know-how to do this one.  

6.  Rebuild the motor.  It has 86,500 miles on it, but it has a touch of a rod knock and it hasn't been opened up since new.  

7.  Front brakes.  I can't find anyone that has the new front brake drums.  The rear are easy to find, not the fronts though.  

8.  Windshield wiper motor doesn't work.  I've checked fuses and put a new switch in, but no help.  I also need the chrome push pin that is inserted in the wiper knob that activated the windshield washers.  That is missing.  

 

My wife generally dislikes old cars (well, at least has little to no interest in them) but she absolutely loves "Maude."  She says its her "Mad Men" car.  

 

In subsequent posts I will describe the dents / damage to the car as I have been told where all of them came from. 

 

Maude and Hugh Woodford (Original owners and my G-G Aunt and Uncle).  Unknown relation to the dog, clearly a cousin that is at least 2-3 times removed (or adopted).  

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Original factory window sticker.  It gives me clear knowledge of what was correct to the car.

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Hugh and "Maude" in Wyoming in fall of 62 (photos developed later)

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Current condition of interior.  The towels protect again that Alabama sun when I pull it outside.  I have since put a green console / cupholder in that matches the interior.  The gray one is for my 57 Chevy.

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Maude took a 1st place trophy in the Unrestored class at our local car show in Auburn, Alabama.  

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As for the dents. If you notice the divits on the nose of the hood, those came from G-G Aunt Maude.  Her way of making sure the car was completely in the garage was to actually bump the wall.  The front bumper is also slightly pushed in (another thing I want to fix) from the same thing. The dent on the driver's fender is from the time she was backing out of some place in Des Moines, IA and was not looking where the front was going.  She tagged a dumpster while looking over her shoulder and turning.  There is a scrape and dent on the passenger side (photo below).  That came from the garage while she was parking it.  Either the dumpster or garage swipe was the last straw before her kids made her park it.  In the photo below is the original dealer sticker for McGrane-Enfield Motors (I made a post in the Memorabilia section about it) and I am trying to get a new one made.  The spare tire in the car is original.  It is date coded (from what I can tell) to November 1959.  No way I would ever use it, but its all there.  It even has a box of Christmas-themed Kleenex that came with the car.  (Car has tissue dispenser).  

 

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It has some rust that I will get rid of and only do minor painting.  I want to keep the paint as much original (even with warts and all) but I hate rust.  I really hate rust.  I will use a set of 1960 Impala rocker panels to replace the rusted out sections, but I will have to fabricate some areas on the fenders that are rusted out.  (See photo below).  I have to replace all 4 corners in the trunk (of course) and get the bumpers fixed and rechromed (a couple of rust holes in both bumpers).    I will leave many of the minor dings and scratches as that keeps it originality and were put there by Maude (Hugh was a fanatic about keeping a car pristine, wasn't him banging it around).  

 

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A vendor named Booster Dewey can rebuild you brake booster I believe.   Hemmings Motor News will have lists of vendors who can perform the services you seek.  Good luck with it.  Joe

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11 minutes ago, pacerman said:

A vendor named Booster Dewey can rebuild you brake booster I believe.

They did mine for my 1961 Mercury Meteor.  I couldn't find a replacement so rebuilding it was my only option.  Great communication and workmanship.  They're in Oregon.

Power Brake Booster Exchange Inc.

4335 SE 63rd Ave. - Portland, OR 97206
503.238.8882

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30 minutes ago, Laughing Coyote said:

They did mine for my 1961 Mercury Meteor.  I couldn't find a replacement so rebuilding it was my only option.  Great communication and workmanship.  They're in Oregon.

Power Brake Booster Exchange Inc.

4335 SE 63rd Ave. - Portland, OR 97206
503.238.8882

 

Thanks guys, I will give him a call Monday morning.  

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This is the type of project I love. Neat car, especially the family history. And that interior looks really nice.

 

Looking forward to more updates!

 

 

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Thanks Paul!  I am working on the front brake cylinders and drums.  I pulled the driver's side off and it has three part bearings, Inner race, ball bearings in a cage, and outer race.  I looked on Rock Auto and the bearings they have are one piece.  The drum is pretty scored and worn, I think it is just time for new drums and bearings. 

 

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A washer tank that has survived.  I believe it to be original, but not certain.  If it isn't, it was installed prior to 1981.  

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I second for booster dewey..   If you look up POCI and join, plenty of help and parts and service.  All pontiac club and mag. I have been a member for 22 yrs.

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35 minutes ago, GARY F said:

I second for booster dewey..   If you look up POCI and join, plenty of help and parts and service.  All pontiac club and mag. I have been a member for 22 yrs.

Did that not too long ago.  It seems as though there a ton of part for pre-58 and post 61 Bonnevilles.  59/60 are the red headed stepchildren sometimes.  That’s like my 57 Chevy sport sedan, so few specific parts are made for it. 

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For a booster rebuild I used these guys.  They provided excellent communication, good turnaround time and quality service at reasonable pricing.  ==>  http://brakematerialsandparts.webs.com/boosterrebuilding.htm

 

I wonder if parts from other GM makes might work for you?  The headlight bezels look a lot like those used by Oldsmobile that year.

 

The interior is indeed, pretty darn sharp.  This will be a great project!

 

As suggested joining the POCI ==>  https://www.poci.org/ will yield access to a lot of info and resources. 

 

Also, there is a section here on the forum focused on Pontiac.  ==> http://forums.aaca.org/forum/47-pontiac-oakland/ 

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2 hours ago, D Yaros said:

For a booster rebuild I used these guys.  They provided excellent communication, good turnaround time and quality service at reasonable pricing.  ==>  http://brakematerialsandparts.webs.com/boosterrebuilding.htm

 

I wonder if parts from other GM makes might work for you?  The headlight bezels look a lot like those used by Oldsmobile that year.

 

I looked at the 60 Cadillac wiper motor and it looks identical. The 65-67 Corvette wiper motor also look identical, that one has me baffled.  I know the Chevy weatherstripping and rocker panels will work fine, they make most of the lenses.  I actually have one of the original T3 headlights in it.  That was a surprise.  I would eventually like to find 3 more.  

 

Whatever it it takes to get the wiper motor working, I hate not having wipers. 

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More photos of the interior and engine compartment.  I was wondering what decal was on the radiator cover, you can see the square outline of it on the right center of the cover where it was scraped off.  I assume it was either an oil filter decal or coolant decal.  I would like to find another to put back on.  The firewall marking are "IFE" to the right of the heater box, and "B 12714".  Has anyone decoded these marks?  I've signed up for the forums over at POCI, but it takes a while to get authorization to post.  

 

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21 hours ago, AURktman said:

 I actually have one of the original T3 headlights in it.  That was a surprise.  I would eventually like to find 3 more.  

 

Whatever it it takes to get the wiper motor working, I hate not having wipers. 

T3 lamps are found for sale on ebay.  However, I would caution you that my experience is that old headlights, while they do work, are not very bright.

 

You can get new, correct T3 lamps, albeit at a price, here ==>  https://www.lectriclimited.com/light-bulb-and-fuse-flasher-sets/sealed-beam-sets/sealed-beam-set-87600 

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2 hours ago, D Yaros said:

T3 lamps are found for sale on ebay.  However, I would caution you that my experience is that old headlights, while they do work, are not very bright.

 

You can get new, correct T3 lamps, albeit at a price, here ==>  https://www.lectriclimited.com/light-bulb-and-fuse-flasher-sets/sealed-beam-sets/sealed-beam-set-87600 

I would like them, but not yet at that price.  Maybe when its close to being finished.  I do want bright headlights, what are the best bang for the buck?  

 

I was looking in a catalog and found this, I wonder if this is the decal that goes on the spot on the radiator cover. Not sure why that decal is bugging me so much, I have about 250 other things that are significantly higher priority than that silly sticker.   There is a long sticker that goes vertical in the center.  I've also figured out I'm missing the fan shroud.  Time to go on a treasure hunt nationwide.  

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Also the 1960 Ventura and Catalina looks like they have the same body style as yours.  You could do searches for your trim pieces under those names as well.

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20 minutes ago, Laughing Coyote said:

Also the 1960 Ventura and Catalina looks like they have the same body style as yours.  You could do searches for your trim pieces under those names as well.

Some of the pieces are the same, but the taillights and side trim are slightly different.  The headlight trim is the same I believe.  I did find a pair in good shape, but they were asking $500 for the pair on eBay, I can get mine straightened and polished for less than that.  I would like to find some donor sheet metal for the front fenders where they are rusted next to the hood.  Those fenders should be identical through the three models.  

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38 minutes ago, Laughing Coyote said:

Check this out.  I found this one on CL and has a picture of the long sticker your looking for.

https://sandiego.craigslist.org/nsd/cto/d/1960-pontiac-bonneville/6589045851.html

That is a gorgeous car!  Thank you for the link! 

 

I found this photo browsing the Mecum listings, it has the sticker as well.  I found it on Jegs' website but its listed for a 61.  It should be correct though.  Thanks!

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21 hours ago, AURktman said:

I would like them, but not yet at that price.  Maybe when its close to being finished.  I do want bright headlights, what are the best bang for the buck?  

 

I was looking in a catalog and found this, I wonder if this is the decal that goes on the spot on the radiator cover. Not sure why that decal is bugging me so much, I have about 250 other things that are significantly higher priority than that silly sticker.   There is a long sticker that goes vertical in the center.  I've also figured out I'm missing the fan shroud.  Time to go on a treasure hunt nationwide.  

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Eldon, any modern day replacement headlight will be an improvement over the 50 + year old ones.

 

I see someone else has provided a pic of the long, narrow, rectangular CAUTION sticker that goes on the middle of the radiator bracket.  I seriously doubt that there would be an oil related decal from the factory in the spot you indicate; though the shape is indeed similar.

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52 minutes ago, D Yaros said:

Eldon, any modern day replacement headlight will be an improvement over the 50 + year old ones.

 

I see someone else has provided a pic of the long, narrow, rectangular CAUTION sticker that goes on the middle of the radiator bracket.  I seriously doubt that there would be an oil related decal from the factory in the spot you indicate; though the shape is indeed similar.

I’ve been searching for a pic of an unrestored original engine compartment. Mine is very close to original, but missing stickers.  I want to make sure anything I do is done correctly.  

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5 hours ago, GARY F said:

For your trim, try Steve Barrack in AZ

Do you have his contact info?  I’m not sure who that it.  Thanks!

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First, try Kurt  Kelsey, 641-648-9086,   next Franks Pontiac Parts  760-361 3242,  next ,order a catalog from Ames Performance  800-421-2637,   next  Steve Barcak  480-899-7873  for start on your search

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I spoke to Frank a while back and he said he didn't have any of that trim.  I've sent Steve an e-mail and ordered the Ames catalog.  I will call Kurt this afternoon.  Thanks!

 

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