Final Plea For Upholstry Help

[Taylormade]

I hate it when I do something stupid like this.  A few months ago someone posted a website that sold fabric hidem welting.  This was somewhere on a topic I can’t for the life of me remember.  It listed different fabric options in various length rolls.  I had the web site saved, but, as usual, it disappeared and is lost in the ozone.  I’ve tried the search, tried to find/remember the original topic, all with no luck.

 

LeBarron-Bonney is out of dark brown hidem and have no idea when they will have it again - the usual “we have to have the mill run a new batch of material”  excuse.  If anyone can remember the post I’m talking about, or, if you posted it, please help me out here.  Thanks!

[viv w]

Try some of the Ford model A parts suppliers like Snyders, Mac's etc, they stock Le Baron Bonney and Cartouche products and may have what you want.

Viv.

[Taylormade]

Thanks, but their hidem is all vinyl, not cloth, as far as I can tell.

[Spinneyhill]

On one of your topics, Friartuck gave a company who will make it from your material. Is that what you are looking for?

 

I remember a post when someone put up lots of hidem designs, some barely automotive. Is that what you are after?

 

I think Trimacar also named a company making hidem on demand.

 

Someone also mentioned "lcars" website. Looking again, they are all the same!

 

http://lcars.com/pages/upholstery.php

 

I just searched for "hidem", Everywhere, and found them. Often "welt" was used with "hidem".

Edited June 27, 2018 by Spinneyhill (see edit history)

[keiser31]

Have you tried SMS?

https://smsautofabrics.com/?gclid=EAIaIQobChMImfnm6tT02wIVlyOBCh3PwwxBEAAYASAAEgLmqPD_BwE

[Taylormade]

The post with lots of hidem designs, some barely automotive, is what I’m looking for.

[Spinneyhill]

Hmmm. Yes I remember the post. But what were they called?

 

This one talks of GIMP but it is the only thread using that term.

 

Edited June 28, 2018 by Spinneyhill (see edit history)

[ArticiferTom]

E-bay  Tortuga Marine . Give a look

[sligermachine]

Is Trimacar on vacation ?? 

[Taylormade]

My upholstery guy can do it, but the post I saw had hidem that matched the door welting I have for the car.

[Taylormade]

Tortuga Marine just has vinyl.

[trimacar]

4 hours ago, sligermachine said:

Is Trimacar on vacation ?? 

I wish!  I didn't chime in because I don't know where to get fabric hidem.  The place that makes custom hidem and wireon and such might be able to help, but I've only seen them do leather, one would think they could do fabric too but I don't know that for a fact.

 

Cory Cook

c/o L'Cars

110 West Poplar Ave.

Cameron, Wi 54822

 

His cell phone is 715-520-3776

 

[Friartuck]

For fabric applications, consider vendors like Sunbrella brand which is used in marine and awning trades:

 

http://www.perfectfit.com/15308/154203/Bindings-Trims/Hidem-Welt.html

 

https://www.sailrite.com/Notions/Trims/Trim-Hidem-Gimp

 

https://www.albrightssupply.com/automotive-hidem-s/2240.htm

 

http://veada.com/marine-vinyl-boat-upholstery/hidem-welt-trim.html

 

And don't forget ebay: https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2047675.m570.l1311.R4.TR11.TRC1.A0.H1.XHidem.TRS0.TSS0&_nkw=hidem+welt&_sacat=0

 

 

 

 

[Spinneyhill]

Did they actually use hidem in a 1932 Dodge Brothers?

[Taylormade]

They used hidem on the top of the front seat to hide the area where the back seat cushion is tacked to the seat frame.

 

And  thanks everyone for the leads, but these are all vinyl hidem, which is very easy to find.  I’m looking for hidem made with wool broadcloth that would match (come close) to my medium brown interior.

[trimacar]

Well, again, contact L'cars and see if they can custom make a wool broadcloth hidem.   If you have a piece of fabric, and they can do it, then you'll have an exact match....

[Spinneyhill]

Hmmm. I always thought the seat back was made as a sort of bag and the seat put into it and the fabric was tacked under the bottom. The seam across the top was either just that or had a rope welt (covered in the seat fabric) sewn into it. Hidem was not used in Dodge Brothers 8s. I have an original seat in the shed I will look at later.

 

Mine (restored 1992 by the PO who was a stickler for originality) has a sort of puffed up double seam, with some packing in it. It looks very nice. I can't see any tacks at all. Maybe it was tacked underneath and the back then folded down over the seam and tacked at the bottom.

[sligermachine]

19 hours ago, trimacar said:

I wish!

I figured you might e in Denver still from the meet ?? Me and my wife are back home already the nationals where real fun next year i will go for the whole week . 

[Taylormade]

Spinnyhill, here are some shots of my friend Phil Kennedy's original 32DL front seat.  You can see the hidem running along the top edge of the seat all the way down to the floor.  The last shot probably shows it the best.  You can separate the two sides and see tacks below.

 

 

 

[mike6024]

That doesn't look like ordinary "hidem" to me.

 

 

Maybe more like a "double welt cord" like in this video.

 

For reference - 

Edited June 29, 2018 by mike6024 (see edit history)

[Bloo]

It doesn't really look like either one to me now that we have seen pictures. Does it have a zigzagging wire inside it that bends down to cover the tack line?

[trimacar]

It looks like wire-on to me.  As Bloo asks, that would have the zig zag wire.  If that's the case, you can make your own with vinyl wire-on and put the fabric over the top, it'll be a little bulkier but I've done that before.  You used to be able to find just the base wire-on, which you could add any fabric or leather to, but I haven't seen that in a while....

[trimacar]

This from the thread you were seeking, unfortunately the wlsheadliners site says that it's discontinued.....

http://wlsheadliners.com/wire-on-windlace-for-classic-and-antique-cars.html

http://www.restorationspecialties.com/

 

[Spinneyhill]

Is this it?  http://www.perfectfit.com/15308/154200/Bindings-Trims/Wire---On-Finish-Trim-Repp-Grain.html

Wire- On Finish Trim, Repp Grain

Vinyl. Used to conceal staples and nails. Staple one side down and fold other side over to finish.

[mike6024]

A "double welt cord" would probably not close up as tight as the photos seem to indicate. On the top of the seatback it looks like one cord is significantly bigger than the other. Along the top edge of the arm, not so much, it looks like not as much difference in size.

[Taylormade]

That’s an optical illusion because you're Looking down on the cord from an angle.  It’s consistently the same size on both sides.  Now that I look at the photos, it does look like double welt cord more than hidem.

[rocketraider]

Didn't Restoration Specialties handle welting at one time?  Seems I remember buying some from them at a Carlisle show many years ago for one of the Oldsmobiles.

[chistech]

That definitely looks like wire-on to me as it is the modern replacement for cloth covered cane coping that I find on every original GM seat I’ve reupholstered. Now that you can’t find what you’re looking for anywhere help support what LeBaron Bonney told you? I work with them quite frequently and live very close so pick up most the interiors that I install. They are having an incredibly hard time getting the supplies they need for our cars these days. Sometimes it takes months for them to get a fabric that used to be readily in stock years past. Just recently they had delivered an interior for a AACA member doing a restoration thread hear on the forum that had a fading/color change issue. They are replacing the effected pieces even though it’s not their fault but the last I knew they were still waiting on the new fabric from the manufacturer. The members whole restoration is being held up by his upholstery and what seems to be LBs doing is really the manufacturer of the material holding it all up. There’s just not a big call for pre war fabric anymore.

[Taylormade]

I wasn’t knocking what LeBaron Bonney told me, I have no doubt they can’t get the cloth I need at the moment.  I’m going to check in with my buddy Phil Kennedy and see if he can tell what’s on his all original front seat.  After this discussion, I don’t think it’s hidem.  Probably wire-on or double welt.

[Friartuck]

Lately I've been using welt cord from Great Lakes and it appears they carry twin cordage.

http://greatlakescordage.com/braided-welt-cord/twin-welt/ 

They do sell by the yard, no need to purchase an entire spool for a one time project.

Since I use a Juki 241 walking foot machine which is a Singer 111W based machine, I get my feet attachments from either E-bay or Cutex Sewing Supplies. The foot showed in the Sail Rite video is likely unique to their type machine.

 

Edited July 8, 2018 by Friartuck (see edit history)