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Hello.

 

New member. Just acquired '36 four-door sedan. Looking for repro source for weatherstrip, bushings, etc. Google didn’t produce many hits for pre-war. Any recommendations?  

 

I’m a Pontiac guy; this is my first Buick and I love this ole car.

 

Bill

hutchhouse1@hotmail.com

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Bill, welcome. What series?  Not sure what you mean exactly on weatherstrip, bushings(?).. Steele Rubber is a source for weatherstripping, vent window seals, window channeling and such. `36 is a year of its own, very few if any other year parts fit `36 and are kinda hard to find. Dave Tacheny is a good source for used parts 763 427 3460 5-7pm central time M-F.   Is yours a solid car or rotted wood? Post some pictures, we like pictures. What kind of Pontiacs? I`m a `35 Pontiac kinda guy myself. If you`d like a good read on a `37 Buick restoration go to Pre-War section, Gary W (1937 Buick Model 48: Restoration Has Begun!) His story is on pg2 at this time. Tom

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Hutchhouse,

 

Welcome to the AACA Discussion Forum. I have moved your post to the Pre-War Buick Forum. You will find lots of help here. I would also encourage you to consider joining the 36-38 Buick Club. In addition to the great help you will find on this forum, the Club has technical advisors who you would find very helpful. You can check out that club at this link: http://www.3638buickclub.org/.  If you would be interested, I will be happy to send you a pdf sample of the club's most recent newsletter.

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Welcome Bill.  I have a 36 Special 4 Dr that I'm in the process of restoring.  I have always had good luck with Bob's Automobilia. I have a somewhat up to date blog on my efforts. The link is in my signature. Happy to answer any questions 

 

Greg 

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23 hours ago, pont35cpe said:

Bill, welcome. What series?  Not sure what you mean exactly on weatherstrip, bushings(?).. Steele Rubber is a source for weatherstripping, vent window seals, window channeling and such. `36 is a year of its own, very few if any other year parts fit `36 and are kinda hard to find. Dave Tacheny is a good source for used parts 763 427 3460 5-7pm central time M-F.   Is yours a solid car or rotted wood? Post some pictures, we like pictures. What kind of Pontiacs? I`m a `35 Pontiac kinda guy myself. If you`d like a good read on a `37 Buick restoration go to Pre-War section, Gary W (1937 Buick Model 48: Restoration Has Begun!) His story is on pg2 at this time. Tom

I am not sure how to tell what series I have.  I took a bunch of pix yesterday and have tried to upload.  I have the original title from when it was purchased new but there is no mention of any characteristics other than 4D Sedan  The grille and trunk emblems indicate its an 8 of course, and I can say its a HUGE car.  All the tools are in the trunk, original spare, original interior, wood is absolutely solid, original paint, minor dings, running boards solid.  What is it can anyone say?

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11 hours ago, groselle said:

Welcome Bill.  I have a 36 Special 4 Dr that I'm in the process of restoring.  I have always had good luck with Bob's Automobilia. I have a somewhat up to date blog on my efforts. The link is in my signature. Happy to answer any questions 

 

Greg 

Thank you.  Yes I found Bob's and its a great resource.  They have things the one other one I found do not.  Greg send me your email.  I will have a million stupid questions.  Mine is hutchhouse1@hotmail.com

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On 4/26/2018 at 8:58 AM, MCHinson said:

Hutchhouse,

 

Welcome to the AACA Discussion Forum. I have moved your post to the Pre-War Buick Forum. You will find lots of help here. I would also encourage you to consider joining the 36-38 Buick Club. In addition to the great help you will find on this forum, the Club has technical advisors who you would find very helpful. You can check out that club at this link: http://www.3638buickclub.org/.  If you would be interested, I will be happy to send you a pdf sample of the club's most recent newsletter.

Thank you -- I downloaded membership app and am getting a check off today

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On 4/26/2018 at 8:51 AM, pont35cpe said:

Bill, welcome. What series?  Not sure what you mean exactly on weatherstrip, bushings(?).. Steele Rubber is a source for weatherstripping, vent window seals, window channeling and such. `36 is a year of its own, very few if any other year parts fit `36 and are kinda hard to find. Dave Tacheny is a good source for used parts 763 427 3460 5-7pm central time M-F.   Is yours a solid car or rotted wood? Post some pictures, we like pictures. What kind of Pontiacs? I`m a `35 Pontiac kinda guy myself. If you`d like a good read on a `37 Buick restoration go to Pre-War section, Gary W (1937 Buick Model 48: Restoration Has Begun!) His story is on pg2 at this time. Tom

Thank you for your response.  My car is virtually 100% complete.  It has an aluminum repop grille on it but a near perfect original came with the car.  Nice to meet another Pontiac guy.  I have an original running/driving 29 coupe and a total basket job 30 coupe for future.  Finished total resto 67 Firebird this year for youngest grandson.

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Bill,

 

It looks like you have a Special, but that is based only on the fact that there is no chrome trim strip running along the top of the headlights.  There shouild be a data plate on the right side of the cowl in the engine bay.  The numbers on that will tell us for sure.  I've attached a picture below of the plate on my car.

 

Greg

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33 minutes ago, Mark Shaw said:

Bill,

     Welcome, and congratulations on acquiring such an original car.  Where are you located?

I am in Sarasota Florida.  Yes it is original -- not my usual project where I spend half my life chasing parts!!  It even came with original grille, new chromed bumpers and bumperettes, decals, repop hubcaps but the original ones are NICE just not shiney,  Thanks

Bill

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Bill,

    Your car might be a good candidate to be an "Archival Car".

 

UNRESTORED VEHICLE CLASS

The BCA recognizes and encourages the preservation of fine examples of unrestored Buicks.  Once restored or replaced, the archival value of original features and materials is forever lost.  Unrestored cars therefore provide an invaluable treasure and actual examples of Buick production. The BCA also encourages the display of these original vehicles as an accessible resource for restorers.  To that end, the BCA has established a certification, and award program for Archival vehicles more than 25 model years old entered in National Meets. (From the BCA Judging Manual)

 

 

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On ‎4‎/‎27‎/‎2018 at 2:13 PM, Mark Shaw said:

Bill,

    Your car might be a good candidate to be an "Archival Car".

 

UNRESTORED VEHICLE CLASS

The BCA recognizes and encourages the preservation of fine examples of unrestored Buicks.  Once restored or replaced, the archival value of original features and materials is forever lost.  Unrestored cars therefore provide an invaluable treasure and actual examples of Buick production. The BCA also encourages the display of these original vehicles as an accessible resource for restorers.  To that end, the BCA has established a certification, and award program for Archival vehicles more than 25 model years old entered in National Meets. (From the BCA Judging Manual)

 

 

The car is certainly complete and original but the front seat upholstery is rough -- really rough.  I am torn between directions to go with it but it is a future project so there is time to figure it out.  It came with the original title from the original owner.  I will get a copy of that manual and evaluate it in that light.  Thank you for the suggestion.

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One easy way is to measure the wheelbase(center of front wheel to center of rear wheel. 40 series 118", 60 series 122", 80 series 131", and 90 series 138".. All series use the same front grille, the larger series has a longer hood than the 40 series, each series has different length running boards, all use the same hub-caps but large series wheels(rims) are different size from the 40 series, and I think the dash and insturments are the same, some speedometers go up to 110mph, I think the 40 series is 100mph. Large series interior door handles and window cranks are a little different in detail than the 40 series. Tail lights are the same except the lens is different on the larger series. Also the cowel tag will state which series and model. I think I`m  correct on these statements, if not, someone will correct me..

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2 hours ago, pont35cpe said:

One easy way is to measure the wheelbase(center of front wheel to center of rear wheel. 40 series 118", 60 series 122", 80 series 131", and 90 series 138".. All series use the same front grille, the larger series has a longer hood than the 40 series, each series has different length running boards, all use the same hub-caps but large series wheels(rims) are different size from the 40 series, and I think the dash and insturments are the same, some speedometers go up to 110mph, I think the 40 series is 100mph. Large series interior door handles and window cranks are a little different in detail than the 40 series. Tail lights are the same except the lens is different on the larger series. Also the cowel tag will state which series and model. I think I`m  correct on these statements, if not, someone will correct me..

 

 

I measured it -- its 118"   But now the bad news and this will make you sick -- made me .  Look what someone has done to the data tag on the firewall.  I noted when I bought it that it had the original heater in a box and someone had mounted what looked like a period correct but different heater under the dash.  Somehow I missed this atrocity.  Look at the tag -- can you imagine how pristine it was before some idiot drilled the hole in it?  So far its the only heartbreak with the car  Everything else seems perfect -- but I'm still sick.

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5 hours ago, pont35cpe said:

Hutch, actually you have the "small" Buick for `36, the 40 series with the small 233cu in engine. The 3 larger series have a 320cu in engine and longer wheelbases..

 

Since you are a Pontiac guy I thought you might like to see my 29 coupe -- hope the Buick guys don't mind just this once !!

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39 minutes ago, Hutchhouse said:

 

 

I measured it -- its 118"   But now the bad news and this will make you sick -- made me .  Look what someone has done to the data tag on the firewall.  I noted when I bought it that it had the original heater in a box and someone had mounted what looked like a period correct but different heater under the dash.  Somehow I missed this atrocity.  Look at the tag -- can you imagine how pristine it was before some idiot drilled the hole in it?  So far its the only heartbreak with the car  Everything else seems perfect -- but I'm still sick.

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I did the same thing with my first car, a `47 Chevy which my brother bought from me back in the `70s, and he still gives me hell about it. Dave Tacheny might have one, body number won`t match but trim and paint codes might. I don`t know of anyone reproducing that tag(might check Hemmings) but if so your numbers could be added, except your body number, looks like it is gone. Nice looking Pontiac..

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The first car I really feel in love with was a 1936 Pontiac. I was 12 and it sat in a field in the small town in Montana where my great grandmother lived.  At the time it could have been gassed up and driven away. My grandmother went with me to visit the owner whom she knew. I wanted to buy it but he wouldn't sell as it had been his mother's. I tried again 10 years later but no deal. By then all the glass had been smashed out and various bits stolen.  I watched over the ensueing 20 years as it slowly rotted away and was eventually hauled off for scrap. Still pains me 40 years later.  

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4 hours ago, Hutchhouse said:

But now the bad news and this will make you sick -- made me .  Look what someone has done to the data tag on the firewall.  I noted when I bought it that it had the original heater in a box and someone had mounted what looked like a period correct but different heater under the dash.  Somehow I missed this atrocity.  Look at the tag -- can you imagine how pristine it was before some idiot drilled the hole in it?  So far its the only heartbreak with the car  Everything else seems perfect -- but I'm still sick.

 

I hear this is common (on 37 and 38 anyway). I saw a 37 that was missing the tag entirely from a heater installation. I was told the factory (Harrison?) heaters often clobber the tag like this. Can any of the Buick people confirm or deny?

 

I am wondering if maybe the aftermarket heater in your car could have been what was installed originally and maybe someone collected an "authentic" one later? Would the hose connection have missed the tag if they had used the "original" style heater?

 

 

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I have a Harrison heater that came with my `36 Buick coupe, which must have been for a Chevy(had Chevrolet on the heater door pulls which I belt sanded smooth) but it fit the exact knock-out holes in the firewall that was for the Buick heater, even my new firewall pad has matching holes..

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Reproducing those body tags looks like a fun job if you have a CNC milling machine and a press. My thoughts are to prepare the artwork then use the CNC mill to cut away the low areas between the characters into a piece of thick plate. Then with your press and a blob of hard urethane under the piece of aluminium, press the plate into the aluminium. Done!

 

I think it might be a lot faster to say it than to do it!

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26 minutes ago, pont35cpe said:

I have a Harrison heater that came with my `36 Buick coupe, which must have been for a Chevy(had Chevrolet on the heater door pulls which I belt sanded smooth) but it fit the exact knock-out holes in the firewall that was for the Buick heater, even my new firewall pad has matching holes..

That makes sense. I got quite a few parts — original newly chromed front bumper, bumper Etter, headlight glass, new hubcaps, a few engine parts, — with the car.  I will research tomorrow and let you know — and thanks for all the help much appreciated

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25 minutes ago, Spinneyhill said:

Reproducing those body tags looks like a fun job if you have a CNC milling machine and a press. My thoughts are to prepare the artwork then use the CNC mill to cut away the low areas between the characters into a piece of thick plate. Then with your press and a blob of hard urethane under the piece of aluminium, press the plate into the aluminium. Done!

 

I think it might be a lot faster to say it than to do it!

Well, as a matter of fact I do have a Bridgeport 3 axis with NC controls and I have a press. Skill to do that is a different story. That would be mighty tedious. I’ll try first to find replacement tag but if not your idea may get a try. Thanks!!

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To prepare the artwork I would use a vector graphics programme. I have used Inkscape for this purpose. There is no pixellation at any scale, which is what CAD should be.

 

For the Dodge Brothers body tag I did, I used photographs, scaled to size on one layer and then on another layer over the top I traced the things to be drawn. I needed to use several photos  because none of the originals were good all over.

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12 minutes ago, Hutchhouse said:

Well, as a matter of fact I do have a Bridgeport 3 axis with NC controls and I have a press. Skill to do that is a different story. That would be mighty tedious. I’ll try first to find replacement tag but if not your idea may get a try. Thanks!!

I have Inkscape. It outputs g code that my machine understands. I also have Millpower by Accurite and my thought was to engrave everything in reverse , using same procedure you described. Then emboss aluminum from backside. Seems like engraving might b a whole lot easier than carving out the characters. And this way the die could also be aluminum. What do you think?

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36 minutes ago, rlcokc said:

reproduction data tag is available. I purchased one years ago and it was very well made. the first 36 model 40 I purchased also had later series heater with hole in approximately same position as yours. My heater was from a 1937 Buick.

http://www.datatags.com/

Rod

Rod I checked out the site. These guys are great. Heckuva lot easier than firing up the Bridgeport thanks for your recommendation I sent them an email with the pics. Do you recall how much they asked?  

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2 hours ago, Bloo said:

 

I hear this is common (on 37 and 38 anyway). I saw a 37 that was missing the tag entirely from a heater installation. I was told the factory (Harrison?) heaters often clobber the tag like this. Can any of the Buick people confirm or deny?

 

I am wondering if maybe the aftermarket heater in your car could have been what was installed originally and maybe someone collected an "authentic" one later? Would the hose connection have missed the tag if they had used the "original" style heater?

 

 

 

The correct heaters just barely miss the data plates on 1937 and 1938 Buicks. Unfortunately there are a lot of different heaters that are similar, but have the hose connections in different locations that can result in holes in the data plates. 

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I've got an original 1936 Deluxe heater that's not installed.  I've attached pictures below along with a shot of my firewall showing the punchouts for the heater hoses and holes for the heater mounts. Soory about the bad drawing it's the best I can do with this stupid mouse pad.

 

 

 

 

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While I was out there I took pictures of a Philco radio and controls that came in a box in the trunk.  No idea if its right or wrong for this car but the controls have a keyed lock and key.  There is also a knob just below the speaker  What's that key all about?

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Beats me, I`ve never seen one like it. Is not an original for the `36. The original radio head is vertical and mounts in the center of the dash trim below the map light, some `36s have a delete plate with "BUICK" on it and some have an ash trey in place of where the radio head mounts.

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