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New Scheme: second sway bar on a 55

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Temporary mock-up and attachment for testing....it works VERY well!  Permanent to follow.

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Are the hose clamps staying? :P

 

Have you considered making or adapting a thicker bar? Or adding one to the rear axle? 

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A fella made a few for the 54's.   Sold them all  if I remember correctly.  Worked well I as told.  

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1 hour ago, Beemon said:

Are the hose clamps staying? :P

 

Have you considered making or adapting a thicker bar? Or adding one to the rear axle? 

 

The wood and hose clamps will go away.  i had a second bar and mock-up looked good.  Rear bar may be next.

1 hour ago, avgwarhawk said:

A fella made a few for the 54's.   Sold them all  if I remember correctly.  Worked well I as told.  

I missed out on  the latest run of bars, but do have a 1 inch on my other 55 (replaces 11/16") and it performs so well that I am spoiled:  no more leaning, sway and squalling tires that wear the edges. 

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My newest toy has a trim sensor and a torque motor (#1) built into the sway bar.

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I know you can do it. Makes a 5,000 pound car rock steady.

Bernie

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39 minutes ago, 60FlatTop said:

My newest toy has a trim sensor and a torque motor (#1) built into the sway bar.

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I know you can do it. Makes a 5,000 pound car rock steady.

Bernie

 

YIKES!

 

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How the sway bar tore itself from the frame is interesting. They must have assumed that the torque being transmitted to the bar before and after the turn would be negligible enough to not have to worry about it twisting from the frame rail.

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Reading that one must always have bigger sway bar in front than rear. Consult tech papers for reasons(how short can short term memory get?) One is Mark Ortiz monthly news letter! Free for signing up. Good for them aspiring college SAE chassis builders, wink wink, nod!

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20 hours ago, avgwarhawk said:

A fella made a few for the 54's.   Sold them all  if I remember correctly.  Worked well I as told.  

I sincerely regret not getting one back then...I was not ready to work on the car at that time so I put it off.

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2 minutes ago, stealthbob said:

I sincerely regret not getting one back then...I was not ready to work on the car at that time so I put it off.

 

Bob, I had considered it but wanting to keep the 54 Buick feel with bias ply, sway bar etc. I did not make the purchase.  I still drive it like I stole it though!  

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18 hours ago, Beemon said:

How the sway bar tore itself from the frame is interesting. They must have assumed that the torque being transmitted to the bar before and after the turn would be negligible enough to not have to worry about it twisting from the frame rail.

Nothing broken...just an additional bar with rigged attachment for now.

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3 hours ago, old-tank said:

Nothing broken...just an additional bar with rigged attachment for now.

 

I meant in the article, where they cover the section on how the sway bar ripped itself from the frame. 

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9 hours ago, avgwarhawk said:

 

Bob, I had considered it but wanting to keep the 54 Buick feel with bias ply, sway bar etc. I did not make the purchase.  I still drive it like I stole it though!  

Yea, if you want the true experience then why change it....even incrementally?

 

"Might as well" is a powerful force, its hard to see it in real time but there comes a time when you realize you may be chasing something you dont need or even want.

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I installed 1 1/8" front sway bars to my '54. '55 and '56 Buicks.  They made a very big improvement in the handling performance of the car. No more wallowing on curvy roads.

I got them from Steve Dole,  (831) 655-4838.  Garden Grove, CA   $165.00 each.

 

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Correction:  That should be Pacific Grove and not Garden Grove, CA

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4 hours ago, Airy Cat said:

I installed 1 1/8" front sway bars to my '54. '55 and '56 Buicks.  They made a very big improvement in the handling performance of the car. No more wallowing on curvy roads.

I got them from Steve Dole,  (831) 655-4838.  Garden Grove, CA   $165.00 each.

 

 

I found your posts on TeamBuick from 2006. Is he still in business? That information is 12 years old now.

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I bought the last one Steve Dole had and UPS  LOST it somewhere between California and Georgia. That’s when my friend  Brad started having them fabricated but has sold all he had made. Let me know if I need to nag him into having more made. 

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I would definitely be interested. Taking mountain roads sideways is not very fun.

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1 hour ago, MrEarl said:

I bought the last one Steve Dole had and UPS  LOST it somewhere between California and Georgia. That’s when my friend  Brad started having them fabricated but has sold all he had made. Let me know if I need to nag him into having more made. 

Please feel free to forward my thoughts.....

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OK,  I'll start bugging Brad to get some more made,but now, back to Willies scheme thread. Anxious to see his prototype. 

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Got a  better attachment of the bars.  Road test:  good control of sway/lean, but not as good as my other one with 1 inch bar  (but that one has heavy springs and radials).  Maybe some resident engineers can calculate the control of two 11/16 inch bars vs one 1 inch bar.

Still not satisfied with the setup.  Tire rubs at full R or L lock.   Grind on bracket?  Buy smaller brackets ($$$)?  I have an idea...more later.

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I've come to believe after hanging out here with you other old Buick owners that there ain't nothin that that can't be thought up and shade treed together to make our beloved Buick(s) better than when they left Flint. You go for it Old Tank. 

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The two sway bar mounts, compounded, put the two bars in a more parallel orientation, which is much better!  If the Moog Blue bushings are more rubber than urethane, you might try a trick I saw years ago to stiffen-up normal rubber sway bar mounts.  With a drill, put small holes through the bushings, then inset small dia nails in the holes to reinforce the rubber and make it stiffer.  If they are already stiff polyurethane,  not much that can help that.

 

Just some thoughts,

NTX5467

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