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What is the correct tail light on a 23 Buick model 50 sedan?I Google searched it and saw several different variations.

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Depends. 

 

In 1923 Buick hit sales # 1 million

 

With that, they moved the single tail lamp from the left of center to centered in the rear license cross bar. My car is a 23-45 but just shy of # 1 M based on engine # not chassis # so mine is still to the left.

 

So go find your engine # on the front drivers side of the aluminum crank case. 

 

My car car also has a period aftermarket brake light. 

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Several centered variations I have seen.dw_640.jpg.2bffd1ab6bebe2b65b6c0bbbbbecd7bb.jpg5ace0cfe432a3_1923BuickRoadster_10.jpg.2ac1d79d1483e7696e7f7eb024bad7fd.jpg

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To me the last image of the 1923-55 sport touring is the most correct as it did have the correct lens. The light unit should be the same for a centered or offset license plate bar. Below is the specified Buick "Type A" tail light on my 1925. They do show up on Ebay frequently.

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Any good source, besides ebay and auto parts swap and sell, for some red and clear flat period correct glass lenses? 

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The bottom pic Larry shared is a 23 center mount for an open car.  Note on it the illumination windows would be on top and bottom.  Mine are are top and side

 

what I don’t know is if open and closed cars were common rear lamps in 23.  Suggest a parts book part number search. 

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Brian, in regard to your comments about the frame and engine numbers.  The frame number is the controlling number for the number of vehicles that were built.  Buick exported engines to McLaughlin in Canada and to Australia for Holden.  If an engine was  replaced in a dealer service department, I have been told that the new engine would have been stamped with the existing engine number.  Plus, engine and frame numbers were not the same until sometime in the 1930's I believe.  Not trying to be a wise-guy here, but it just seems like the frame number is the thing to go by.  I remember you saying something about this before that this is how a person can identify a 1923 model from looking at it from the rear.

 

Terry Wiegand

South Hutchinson, Kansas

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Well, both my frame # and engine # are below 1M so I can't help solve the issue.

 

Who has a re-print of the Dave Chambers article?  That is the Holy Grail.

 

I always thought they switched at engine # 1M.

 

Here is a pic of Larry Schramm's 1923-48 parts car that went to Europe.  It's a 1923 closed car (48)  (what's left of it) which is why I post it.

 

I have seen so few 1923 closed cars, nor are there many pics of them out there.

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4 hours ago, Brian_Heil said:

Well, both my frame # and engine # are below 1M so I can't help solve the issue.

 

Who has a re-print of the Dave Chambers article?  That is the Holy Grail.

 

I always thought they switched at engine # 1M.

 

Here is a pic of Larry Schramm's 1923-48 parts car that went to Europe.  It's a 1923 closed car (48)  (what's left of it) which is why I post it.

 

I have seen so few 1923 closed cars, nor are there many pics of them out there.

20170823_162227_thumb_jpg_531600e048e0c2f27bf869791d6cec9c.jpg.Also my mounting bracket only has tail light mounting holes in the center

If that is a closed car then the sedans and touring cars must have shared the same light.Mine is chrome and has Hupback stamped on the top and appears to be from possibly from a Hupmobile and it looks like it might be from the thirty's  Also my mounting bracket only has tail light holes in the center right above the tag mounting slots.

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Brian:

The photo of Larry's car does show that the light had a nickel bezel on it similar to the 1924 and 1925 Masters. I have seen other 1923s with the Type A as is on my 1925 with the round retainer spring clip. The parts book show a part # of S-3043 (42-B) for models 41,44,45,47,48,49 and 50 with wood wheels. The illustration looks to match this light.dw_640.jpg.77a5447dcf07c7512416937b20824e4c.jpg

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6 minutes ago, dibarlaw said:

Brian:

The photo of Larry's car does show that the light had a nickel bezel on it similar to the 1924 and 1925 Masters. I have seen other 1923s with the Type A as is on my 1925 with the round retainer spring clip. The parts book show a part # of S-3043 (42-B) for models 41,44,45,47,48,49 and 50 with wood wheels. The illustration looks to match this light.dw_640.jpg.77a5447dcf07c7512416937b20824e4c.jpg

Interesting

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Frame # it is then. Thx Rod. 

 

I can can see Terry grinning from here. 

 

Guessing my Nickel rim on by rear lens frame wore off long ago and got painted?  I have no Nickel left on the headlamp rims so I finally clear coated the polished brass. 

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37 minutes ago, ROD W said:

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Thanks Rod,This should clear it up for me.The Hupp Light that I have is center mounted and mounted on top of the bar .There are no other holes except for license holes on the bar.

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I'll have to remember to look at mine when I'm out in the country Monday. Mine started life as a closed car. That said, since there were modifications, there's no guarantee it's original to the vehicle. 

 

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On 11/04/2018 at 11:38 PM, 27donb said:

Any good source, besides ebay and auto parts swap and sell, for some red and clear flat period correct glass lenses? 

 

Don,

You could try Snyder’s Antique Auto Parts. They have a few different lens types including a matching lens for the 26 Standard, so you might get lucky. Of course I don’t know any of the dimensions or exactly what the correct lens looks like for your car so I may be heading you in completely the wrong direction

 

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Here's a photo of what's on my 1923.  It started life as a 23-35, but that doesn't mean that this is what it was when it was a sedan.

 

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The back part may be correct, but I believe that is a Model A bezel and lens in the above picture.

 

From the 1923 Buick Book of Parts for 4 cylinder models.  I do not have copies of what went on a 6 cylinder model

Hugh

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Ron, 

    The 24 Buick 6 cylinder and the 25 Buick Master share the same tail light.  All models.  168990.  This is the higher end car, so it will have the nickeled bezel and the housing will have the slots in the bezel area to hold the pins in the bezel.  Same slot mechanism as used on the cowl lights.  The 1923 and 24 4 cylinder and 1925 standard had the less expensive style with a wire ring to hold the glass.  Interesting to look on the Snyder website as the Model T taillamp parts look like they could work for a Standard.  The Snyder glass parts may fit the bigger cars?

The photo of Larry Schramm's parts car looks like the correct housing for you.  The nickel Bezel on the photo rod provided looks correct if the bezel design matches what is on your cowl light bezels.  

Hugh

 

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Interesting.  So the 4SD (truck models) had some unique parts there...makes sense as the body is different.  Otherwise, it shares the same tail lamp as the 35.  With the two lenses I will have to see if there is more than one lamp / bulb for the different parts or if it is all one, just using STOP for emphasis.  Ever since getting this vehicle, with its maximum speed in the 45 mph range, I've always thought the slow moving vehicle triangle makes sense.  As we've got a lot of farming in this neck of the woods, those are easy to come by and it should be easy to rig something up to the body of the "truck".

 

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Ron:

Here are copies of the pages for your 1923 6 cylinder car. Note the part # and applications. Also included is the correct headlight information.

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Only on this Site could you get all this information on a rear lamp!

 

Now the question is, what is unique about the wire wheel 143-B lamp?  Since we solved the other dilemma and need something else to work on.  Ha. 

 

I'm guessing the spare carrier for the wire wheel is unique and drives a unique lamp.  Wire spare is on the running board and not even on the rear (I think) and a luggage trunk too on the rear?  OK you smart guys, chime in.

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Brian,

    The tail light for the 54 and 55 has two nickle trim rings, I think that is the only diff.                                                                                                                                               The 54 with wire has the spare on the back with a special mounting bracket.

 

 

John

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Since the spare also included the wire wheel, the tail light was mounted on a bracket outside the diameter of the wheel which also included license plate.

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