Steve_Mack_CT Posted April 9, 2018 Share Posted April 9, 2018 What kind of support network exists for these cars? Are routine maintenance items fairly easy to source? Any quirks to look out for? Thanks, Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
19tom40 Posted April 9, 2018 Share Posted April 9, 2018 Steve, there is a club devoted to these cars. It is called the Lincoln Owners Club. Other than admiring the cars styling, I don't much else about them. Here is a link to the Club website, where you can find contact information. http://www.lincolnownersclub.com/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve_Mack_CT Posted April 9, 2018 Author Share Posted April 9, 2018 Thank you, Tom. This was helpful! Appreciate any other thoughts on these cars. Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motoringicons Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 (edited) HI Steve- Model L Lincolns are one of the most undervalued Full Classics. They are great cars. Well engineered and well designed, they are great cars to drive on a tour. The only fault I can think of the steering is a bit archaic on most years-it is the exposed, primitive "rack and pinion" style. This was replaced by a conventional gearbox (Gemmer, I believe) but this didn't happen until 1929 or 1930. The carburetor and manifold set up isn't the best, but, years ago, a replacement manifold was made to adapt a conventional downdraft carburetor to the Lincoln "L" engine. If you can find one of these manifolds, I would recommend getting it. I like the refinements seen on the 1929-1930 models such as the acorn shaped headlamps and more curvaceous fenders, but they are all good looking cars. They are typically very reasonable cars to buy and, in my opinion, a much better value than other brands of similar years. I would recommend buying one. I'd like to own one! Edited April 10, 2018 by motoringicons (see edit history) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_Mc Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 I would reach out to someone in the LOC. This is a passionate group ,that really knows these great cars. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve_Mack_CT Posted April 10, 2018 Author Share Posted April 10, 2018 As usual thanks to ghe great folks on the forum. Guy, we are considering another car, would be nice to own something that is CCCA eligible. I am aware of a couple of 29 sedans, seem to be reasonable for an early 30s Full Classic. BTW, been picking away on the Speedster, many inquiries, only one serious, but, it fits in my shed and is fun to toy with do we'll see, it's not make or break. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Linus Tremaine Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 lets hear some more about the cars you are considering. IF you can get their serial numbers, I might be able to tell you more about them. L 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Linus Tremaine Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 also, all lincolns have a regular closed steering box. 1930 just has a better one - a gemmer as mentioned above - with a better ratio. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve_Mack_CT Posted April 10, 2018 Author Share Posted April 10, 2018 (edited) Thanks Linus. One is in HMN online, a 29 L sedan, Willoughby body, $26.5k. The other, which appears to be an identical model, is with Shawn Miller. Both also seem to be largely original although Shawn's listing has a replacement interior. I haven't inquired yet as I generally like to be pretty serious before I take up someones time. Might reach out soon though. Big ol sedans, nothing too splashy, but seem to be in our prkce range! ? Edited April 10, 2018 by Steve_Mack_CT (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Kelso Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 We have a 1924 L touring car and love it. Early Lincolns are amazing cars, good luck 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/cars-for-sale/lincoln/l/2092379.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 Shawn Miller's car. http://www.significantcars.com/cars/1929lincoln3/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve_Mack_CT Posted April 11, 2018 Author Share Posted April 11, 2018 Thanks AJ. Was going to post those tonight (PITA with a cellphone). Some great info here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 I like them both but I have a feeling Shawn's car might be a tad more expensive. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 From a few years ago: https://www.hemmings.com/magazine/hmn/2014/07/Full-Classic--No-Waiting---1931-Lincoln-Model-K/3740181.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve_Mack_CT Posted April 11, 2018 Author Share Posted April 11, 2018 I actually looked at that project car AJ, at the Rhinebeck show. Heads were off as I recall, car was essentially complete. Guy didnt seem to know much, I suspect it was an estate car he wanted to flip. Yes, I figure Shawns is more expensive, what an interior though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 (edited) Belly up to the bar for this one. Nothing is nicer than a Dietrich body. https://www.ebay.com/itm/1931-Lincoln-Model-k-Dietrich-Leather-/323202333265 Edited April 11, 2018 by alsancle (see edit history) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve_Mack_CT Posted April 11, 2018 Author Share Posted April 11, 2018 Agree, but I fear it might be just a little over budget. I will PM Mary's number, she likes you. If you can sell her on it, I am in. ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Linus Tremaine Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 Things i can say about the hemmings car: wrong gas cap, missing one cover for the generator brushes, looks like the wrong drive plates for the water pump shaft, gear shift lever is bent - engine number looks like it has been restamped. Its blurry in the photo, but looks off. If you feel like it, send me the serial number from the firewall tag and the engine number. Things i can say about shawn millers car - In 2008 it was listed with the LOC as belonging to james Day in ohio, I dont have any other history. Horn is wrong, greyhound is missing, not a fan of the mirrors, looks like a tropic aire accessory heater with original switch, missing air filter trim ring, missing battery cable attachment point cover on generator, battery cable routed from the wrong side? (maybe has a cut off installed?), something wrong with vacuum pump- looks like they have an electric in it with some home made blanking plate and plumbing- the correct guts for this are very hard to find so see if they have it. I like both cars, looks like they both need the same sort of stuff. L 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Linus Tremaine Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 also, get the body type numbers off the brass tags under the front drivers seat cushion. L Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 Great info Linus. Typically I would have jumped in early, bought the car, and then spent the next 5 years figuring out on my own, the hard way, what you just told Steve in 5 minutes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve_Mack_CT Posted April 11, 2018 Author Share Posted April 11, 2018 Wow, yes many thanks Linus. Really good info here. Doesn't sound thag different from a non Classic approaching 90 years young, although, to AJs point, the expertise is really helpful. Noodling these two for sure, been thinking about a few cars but these two keep rising to the top. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Linus Tremaine Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 (edited) i may be crazy, but I think i see the "shawn miller" car in the back ground of the first photo of the "hemmings car" Edited April 11, 2018 by Linus Tremaine (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve_Mack_CT Posted April 11, 2018 Author Share Posted April 11, 2018 Might be, how many of these are out there, i noticed it but assumed someone may be keeping better of a pair. Hmm. Black car and wheels, Ww tires. But if so it looks like the dog on the radiator ran away. And he is a must!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Linus Tremaine Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 (edited) Good point on the radiator cap - i missed that. There are quite a few 1929/30 sedans floating around bur few of them are willoughby bodied cars. Its more likely that these are just lincoln bodied cars such as the 169B or 168A or simliar. I am not good enough to tell them apart by looking at the body photos online. Ask them for the body type numbers from the brass tags under the front seat cushion. Then we can know. L Edited April 11, 2018 by Linus Tremaine (see edit history) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Linus Tremaine Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 Here is a car i know personally and it is a type 169B factory body. It looks pretty much identical to the two cars posted above. For comparison, this car was for sale and sold for 40K. It had a meticulously rebuilt engine, new paint and all new exterior chrome - it did have a worn original interior. L 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Linus Tremaine Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 this is a well known car - custom built with earlier fenders. It is a type 160 by willoughby :L 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Linus Tremaine Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 this is a photo of the willoughby "limousine" from my catalog. I cant figure out what the difference is between the type 174 and 160- both were offered in 1929 and are called willoughby 7 passenger limousine. Either way, they are super rare and I cant imagine that those cars you are considering are willoughby bodied. ill be quiet now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Linus Tremaine Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 i will add that the hemmings car seller claims it is one of 1513 made in 1929 - which incidentally is the exact number of type 169B factory bodies that were made in that year.... where as the willoughby bodied cars were: Type 160 - 155 Type 174 - 228 So, I think we have our answer.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve_Mack_CT Posted April 11, 2018 Author Share Posted April 11, 2018 (edited) Yes, still attractive and affordable, perhaps even more so knowing that, Linus! Havent spoken yet but I wpuld be inclined to give benefit of the doubt here, a likely honest error, he likely believes what he wrote or was told. Edited April 11, 2018 by Steve_Mack_CT (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 How about a Judkins then? https://www.rmsothebys.com/en/auctions/AS18/Auburn-Spring/lots/r0127-1926-lincoln-model-l-coupe-by-judkins/661587 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve_Mack_CT Posted April 12, 2018 Author Share Posted April 12, 2018 Maybe, mentally a tad earlier than the general 29 to 33 or so sweet spot, but it is an attractive car. Doesnt look so conserative for the year, estimates are not scary either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 8 hours ago, alsancle said: How about a Judkins then? That body was also placed on Pierce Arrow Senior series 33/36 cars. At least one on them is still around. I agree the Lincoln is a great car, under valued and not well understood. 8 hours ago, alsancle said: https://www.rmsothebys.com/en/auctions/AS18/Auburn-Spring/lots/r0127-1926-lincoln-model-l-coupe-by-judkins/661587 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 2 hours ago, edinmass said: That body was also placed on Pierce Arrow Senior series 33/36 cars. At least one on them is still around. I agree the Lincoln is a great car, under valued and not well understood. Looks better on the Lincoln? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 1 hour ago, alsancle said: Looks better on the Lincoln? Yes. Except if I admit that my Perrce Arrow buddies would bust my chops. So I have no comment. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Linus Tremaine Posted April 15, 2018 Share Posted April 15, 2018 That judkins coupe is missing some hard to find parts and its in poor shape. I would not consider that car. Buy the blue 169B in hemmings. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve_Mack_CT Posted April 16, 2018 Author Share Posted April 16, 2018 Yes, initially the Judkins appeals to the eye, especially for a mid 20s car. But I am not looking for a heavy project, Linus! Still noodling some cars around for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Linus Tremaine Posted June 7, 2018 Share Posted June 7, 2018 auction in the netherlands - lincolns start around catalog # 240 - just for fun http://www.bonhams.com/auctions/25077/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Friartuck Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 My website on model L Lincoln, Some good production data for reference: http://www.friartuck.x10.mx/Lincoln/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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