60FlatTop Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 4 hours ago, Red Riviera Bob said: NOT rocket science Rocket science is a pretty boring occupation. There are so many things that AREN'T rock science. Here's a group of bored rocket scientists. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petelempert Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 From the sound of things, your motor is probably fine. It's amazing what a difference that thick washer can make. The washer took most of the brunt of the damage in my case. The universal plate I mentioned is probably better described as a pulley holder. I bought one of the OTC Stinger products (on Amazon, Summit etc.) but instead ended up using a plate type (an old friend I bought years ago at Jegs) with more hole options. Lots of guys make these out of scrap steel, pipes and I've even heard of some guys making them out of hardwood. Just find the right bolt hole configuration, bolt the plate to the balancer, put a 1/2 drive with a long handle in the square hole, gently turn the assembly with a breaker bar slowly, let it roll around so the 1/2 handle is pinned to either the floor or the frame. It won't let the motor turn. Then get out your new bad assed 250LB torque wrench and tighten to spec. I did mine without a lift. I did have to remove the fan shroud and upper/lower hoses. Without a lift, you'll need to twist the nut to 220 from the top to get leverage. Good luck. PRL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbinator Posted March 21, 2018 Author Share Posted March 21, 2018 On 3/19/2018 at 12:04 PM, 60FlatTop said: Rocket science is a pretty boring occupation. There are so many things that AREN'T rock science. Here's a group of bored rocket scientists. I can only imagine why Rocket science would be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RivNut Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 On 3/19/2018 at 11:04 AM, 60FlatTop said: Rocket science is a pretty boring occupation. There are so many things that AREN'T rock science. Here's a group of bored rocket scientists. I would think the scenery inside a Victoria's Secret would be a lot more interesting than watching a bunch of cars go by. Especially if you could find a chair close to the fitting room. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KongaMan Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 That's probably the line to get in. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auburnseeker Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 I don't see the wait time signs posted like at Disney. You know 30 minutes from this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbinator Posted March 25, 2018 Author Share Posted March 25, 2018 On 3/18/2018 at 9:26 AM, Red Riviera Bob said: Mr.Konga Man, the key in the shaft was a straight key or an axle key. True, the woodruff key is shaped in a half moon. “Key” in Industrial ceramics describes a ceramic shape, similar to the keystone shape in an arch. Nonetheless, the key in the shaft was a straight key and it stayed in place. The pulley/harmonic balancer stayed together and wobbled off the shaft because a washer was not in place with the bolt. ‘I’m going to let the shop that did the job put it back together. I’ll then check the torque every 30 miles or so and keep a record of torque results. Of course, I’m at the mercy of the shop. Unfortunately, their services are uneven in their offering. Body and paint I’m most satisfied. The shop’s mechanics on my Buick are sub-par. Thanks for the help. Red Riviera Bob Gents, the Red Riviera 63 is out of the shop. What come loose was the pulley and harmonic balancer came off the crank shaft. The pulley and the balancer came off because THE WRONG SiZE WASHER WAS On the crank shaft. Apparently, a PO of the vehicle had been doing some work and put back the wrong washer. My mechanic did not know any better, or didn’t care to know, and reinstalled the wrong size washer. I bought the correct size washer and the shop reinstalled the pulley/balancer with the correct size washer. So now, the car runs fine at this point. I drove the car home about 15 miles and it sounded and ran fine. I stopped by “The Cow” frozen custard stand on the way home and got a cup of the best vanilla frozen custard in the country. The owner makes his own frozen custard and whipped cream from local dairy products. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
telriv Posted March 25, 2018 Share Posted March 25, 2018 Bob, Glad it's done & OK. Hoping I was a help to you & your mechanic. As far as I could see there was no real damage done. Hope ALL goes well. Tom T. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbinator Posted April 12, 2018 Author Share Posted April 12, 2018 Gents, the big thick washer was put on the end of the shaft along with other parts as it was suppose to be. ive driven the car over 100 miles without incident. The pulley/balancer is tight. There is no oil leaking anyplace.,The engine sounds great. Thank you for your help. RRB 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
telriv Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 It's amazing the balancer didn't fall off sooner since it had the wrong washer on it from the beginning. Lots of stranger things have happened. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbinator Posted October 26, 2018 Author Share Posted October 26, 2018 Attached is a picture of my timing chain that got whacked. The nut and harmonic balancer flew up the snout of the crankshaft. The said I had a dent in my chaining covet. The shop put epoxy on the timing chain cover indicating it was a minor cosmetic flaw. The timing chain began dripping oil. When the timing chain cover came see the trashy work I got from Eastcoast Restorations. I’m not through with shop owner for shoddy workmanship. The shop plugged my timing cover with fiberglass. RRB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
telriv Posted October 26, 2018 Share Posted October 26, 2018 Bob, That cover was NG anyway. If they would have known better it should have been replaced during the original install. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KongaMan Posted October 27, 2018 Share Posted October 27, 2018 I'm confused. It looks like the repaired damage was on the front of the cover. Why would that cause it to leak? Were the sealing surfaces clean and flat? Or was it leaking around the seal? It might be ugly, but there's no obvious reason it wouldn't be functional. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
telriv Posted October 27, 2018 Share Posted October 27, 2018 It was leaking oil around the epoxied area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KongaMan Posted October 27, 2018 Share Posted October 27, 2018 That sounds like more than a dent. Dunno why they'd need to use a cup and a half of epoxy, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1965rivgs Posted October 27, 2018 Share Posted October 27, 2018 13 hours ago, telriv said: Bob, That cover was NG anyway. If they would have known better it should have been replaced during the original install. Just curious Tom...are you seeing something in the area of the water pump which is responsible for condemning the cover? Tom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
telriv Posted October 28, 2018 Share Posted October 28, 2018 All the corrosion from cavitation Tom. It eats away at the aluminum as time goes on & also the outer edges. If you saw an NOS or a new replacement cover you will see EXACTLY what I'm talking about. Tom T. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbinator Posted October 28, 2018 Author Share Posted October 28, 2018 Gents, the cover was no good because when the nut on the end of the crank shaft and harmonic balancer flew off the flying parts knocked a hole in the timing cover. My beef is with Eastcoast Restorations in Finksburg MD for shoddy workmanship. The shop just plugged the hole with fiberglass and epoxy. The timing cover began to leak oil and when a replacement was reinstalled that is when I saw where the shop plugged the hole. Can you imagine that? RRB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmTee Posted October 28, 2018 Share Posted October 28, 2018 Did you recheck the balancer nut following the cover replacement...? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
telriv Posted October 28, 2018 Share Posted October 28, 2018 No need to if torqued correctly & used RED LOCTITE. You DON'T want to try & re-torque if Loctite was used. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbinator Posted October 29, 2018 Author Share Posted October 29, 2018 11 hours ago, EmTee said: Did you recheck the balancer nut following the cover replacement...? I checked to see if there was any wobble in the harmonic balancer. All was tight. I did not use a torquewrrnch to double check. The toque at 220 lbs was not I checked. RRB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbinator Posted October 29, 2018 Author Share Posted October 29, 2018 On 10/26/2018 at 9:48 PM, KongaMan said: That sounds like more than a dent. Dunno why they'd need to use a cup and a half of epoxy, though. Mr Konga Man, they needed that much epoxy to cement the hole they were trying to cover up. Pls look at the pic showing the plug they put in the inside of the cover. RRB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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