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I have a friend who owned a 190SL while in College.  This was back in the early 60s.  He was shocked when I told him what the 190SL brings now.  He was trying to decide between a MG and the MB,  both were the same price.

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On 3/1/2018 at 11:02 AM, A. Ballard 35R said:

West, you are absolutely correct about the 190SL. Back around 1960 a friend and I drove a TR3 from Pennsylvania to Pensacola Florida and returned accompanied by my aunt in her 190SL. The two of them always fought over who would drive the TR since it was a lot more fun and ran circles around the 190SL. As a result, I was left driving the 190SL thousands of miles best described as a very comfortable but low performance poor handling car that couldn't get out of its own way. Any moderate hill meant down shifting to third. Yes, the engine was an OHC four the same displacement as the TR but the car probably weighed 50% more than the TR.

 

I agree that the six figures prices are certainly not based on anyone ever having fun driving them. Sorry if 'Ive offended 190SL lovers but my comments are based on actual experience.

I drove a 190 SL a few years back before they escalated in price and thought it was a very nice driver. Not enough power, but comparable to many Brit sportsters of the day. I had a 67 250 SL at the time and was considering a trade for the 190. I didn't do it, much to my financial loss.

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Had the opportunity to inspect an in-progress / partially disassembled '59 190SL at an auction a few years ago. Franky I was surprised at how crudely the body was constructed.

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10 hours ago, WQ59B said:

Had the opportunity to inspect an in-progress / partially disassembled '59 190SL at an auction a few years ago. Franky I was surprised at how crudely the body was constructed.

As WQ59B said himself in a previous post, "Subjectivity must have a strong hand WRT to the early SL."  What else could explain such a baseless allegation that the 190 SL was crudely constructed.  The 190 SL was every bit as finely finished and hand fitted as was the 300SL.  Today, some may consider the 190 SL to have been too lightly powered, but when viewed among other cars of the era it was a most desirable item,  Fit and finish were typical Mercedes-Benz and the suspension was very close to perfect for providing a comfortable, "boulevard" ride over almost any surface.  The 190 SL must be viewed in the context of its design parameters, it was never intended to be a race car such as the 300 SL. but was built to fill the niche for a luxurious sports type vehicle bearing the Mercedes-Benz name for the US market with a price tag below that of the 300 SL. This lower price did not result in any diminution of Mercedes-Benz quality. 

 
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On ‎3‎/‎5‎/‎2018 at 6:29 AM, West Peterson said:

Well, I can't adjust that photo, but...

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Thank you!

 

Unless one counts the 1937 Röhr, which I believe was a one-off, Mercedes Benz was the only European manufacturer who offered a four-door hardtop.  A few, including Rover and Triumph came close, but not quite.  Rover's P5B 'Coupe' was intended to be a hardtop, but structural rigidity issues ended it up being a sedan.

 

Craig

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Those cars came from brand new factories in West Germany with the maximum support from democratic republics just to prove democracy was the best system. The best manufacturing equipment and newest technology in the world. East Germany made a handful of lesser cars with equipment salvaged from rubble and the support of less affluence communist countries.

Great cars from West Germany.

Quite similar to the disparity in a more recent country divided north and south. The good stuff comes from the best financed side.

Bernie

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From my trusty 1960 "Red Book, National Used Car Market Report," which covers cars back to 1953,

the earliest M-B's to appear are the 1956 models, P.O.E. East Coast prices...

 

180 Sedan........$3,150

180D Sedan........3,428

 

190 Sedan..................3,298

190SL Sport Coupe...4,295  (convertible with hardtop)

190SL Convertible.....3,998 

 

219 Sedan.......3,680

220S Sedan.....4,494

220S Conv.......7,138   (Cabriolet)

 

300 Sedan............7,078

300 Limo..............7,368

300S Coupe.......12,898

300S Conv..........12,898

300S Roadster...12,898

300SL Spt. Cpe....7,295

 

By 1960, the prices were, P.O.E. East Coast...

 

180 Sedan........$3,250

180D Sedan........3,527

 

190 Sedan.....................3,441

190D Sedan..................3,718

190SL Roadster............5,032

190SL Coupe................5,244   (convertible with hardtop)

190SL Cpe Roadster....5,428   (I can't figure out why 3 190SL versions are listed for 1960)

 

220 Sedan..........4,283

220S Sedan........4,583

220SE Sedan......5,018

220SE Coupe......8,091

220SE Conv.........8,091   (Cabriolet)

 

300 Sedan................10,070

300 Conv Sdn..........12,644  ("Adenauer" 4-door convertible sedan not listed in Red Book for 1956)

300SL Roadster.......10,950

300SL Coupe...........11,128

300SL Cpe Rdstr......11,397

 

Hope this helps...

 

TG

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6 hours ago, ejboyd5 said:

As WQ59B said himself in a previous post, "Subjectivity must have a strong hand WRT to the early SL."  What else could explain such a baseless allegation that the 190 SL was crudely constructed.  The 190 SL was every bit as finely finished and hand fitted as was the 300SL...
Fit and finish were typical Mercedes-Benz and the suspension was very close to perfect for providing a comfortable, "boulevard" ride over almost any surface.  The 190 SL must be viewed in the context of its design parameters, it was never intended to be a race car such as the 300 SL. but was built to fill the niche for a luxurious sports type vehicle bearing the Mercedes-Benz name for the US market with a price tag below that of the 300 SL. This lower price did not result in any diminution of Mercedes-Benz quality. 

 

I don't know about 'baseless'; I inspected the car in person, partially disassembled, and I intimately know my own car dissassembled (also a '59, tho from a different Corporation. I'd gladly be specific, but am anticipating having to defend my audacity). I welcomed the opportunity to see the claimed 'M-B quality' up close. It was completely pedestrian and yes; aspects of it were crude. Add to that the methods of hardware attachment (exposed gaskets & screws on the exterior), and it falls solidly below the bar for the time. Maybe it's pertinent to consider Mercedes' fledgling production experience and scant 15 years from WWII as contributing factors. Unfortunately, by the '80s, the SL was really no better.

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From my Canadian 1963 "Red Book, National Used Car Market Report," which covers cars back to 1956,

the earliest M-B's to appear are the 1958 models, P.O.E. prices...

 

180 Sedan........$3,270

180a Sedan........3,270

180D Sedan........3,475

 

190 Sedan..................3,545

190SL Roadster.........5,595  

190SL Cpe Rdster......5,845   (convertible with hardtop)

 

219 Sedan.......3,785

220S Sedan.....4,500

220S Conv.......7,900   (Cabriolet)

 

300d Sedan............11,500

300SL Roadster.....12,500

 

By 1960, the prices were...

 

180 Sedan........$3,380

180D Sedan........3,470

 

190D Sedan..................3,710

190SL Coupe................5,615   (convertible w/o hardtop)

190SL Cpe Roadster....5,615   (convertible with hardtop)

 

220 Sedan..........4,105

220S Sedan........4,705

220SE Sedan......5,200

220SE Coupe......8,400

220SE Conv.........8,400   (Cabriolet)

 

300SL Cpe Rdstr......12,500

 

TG

 

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