PMac Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 Hi, Hoping the Model 20 team can help educate me re a couple of features of this machine. My questions: 1. Did early 1910 cars come equipped with a cover over the flywheel? 2. Did 1910 Hups carry a Selden Patent plate and if so, where were these displayed? 3. Does anyone have an original tool kit or parts of the tool kit they could share a picture of? 4. What type of gasket material are people using as a seal for the water inlet/outlet connections to the cylinder blocks? 5. What material is the steering wheel spider made of? Has anyone had any success welding this alloy? Thanks in advance for any info that can be shared, Peter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1910Hupp Posted January 6, 2018 Share Posted January 6, 2018 Peter My car has a repo Selden plate on the drivers side seat upstand I suspect they would have had one originally. I don't think a flywheel cover is original -certainly not drawn on the pictures in my original manual Never ever seen a photo of an original toolkit let alone the real thing On my car I used red fibre washers and silicone gasket goop on the water openings in the cylinder blocks The silicone makes up for the irregularities in the outlet/inlet castings . My steering spider is aluminium but is definitely a later casting Karl 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trimacar Posted January 6, 2018 Share Posted January 6, 2018 Karl has answered you well. My original Selden tag is centered on the vertical board under the front of the seat. A friend of mine has beautifully restored (by him) Hupp, you can see the location of the tag easily in the picture attached. The flywheel cover is an add on piece, I believe. I base this on the fact that the two brackets that hold the cover in place, one on each side, are rarely found on an original car. The cover itself is pinned to these brackets, so that it's more or less easy to remove. I think enough people complained about the oil slinging from the front bearing that the factory came out with a retrofit solution, and not everyone got them. Never heard of a tool kit for a Model 20. Not mentioned anywhere that I'm aware of. Remember, this was an entry level car, they were trying to keep costs down, even lights and windshield were an option. Steering wheel spider is an aluminum alloy of some kind. It can be repaired, if you have someone who knows how to weld aluminum. My little throttle lever, under the steering wheel, appears to be made of the same stuff, and was broken when I got it. A friend who is quite talented in all things metal welded it and finished it, you can't tell it ever had a problem. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PMac Posted January 7, 2018 Author Share Posted January 7, 2018 Thanks Karl and David, Appreciate your guidance on these topics. With regards to the tool kit, my only reference is Bill Cuthbert's "The Hupmobile Story" (Page 23). Bill details that the Model 20 came with a screwdriver, pliers, monkey wrench, 2 x wrenches (5/16 and 7/16), oil can, valve grinding tool, tire pump, tire repair kit and tool kit bag. Who knows, there may be a machine out there with it's original tool set? Thanks again, Peter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trimacar Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 I wonder what Bill's source was for that information? I'll go back and look through the owner's manual and other paper I have and see what it says and if it mentions a tool kit, I just don't remember ever seeing a mention of it in factory literature. Does you car have the original Breeze carb? If so, pm me and I'll email you an electronic copy of the 32 page manual for the carb.....yep, only 32 pages! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hupp36 Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 (edited) David, maybe this will help. Edited January 8, 2018 by Hupp36 (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trimacar Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 Thanks, I stand corrected, did not know they came with tool kits.....now I'm curious if anyone has an original. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hupp36 Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 There are 51 model 20's listed in the Hupp Club. Maybe one of the members that owns one will see this and respond, I am not at liberty to do so. I own 8 different Hupp models but no model 20. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trimacar Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 I just rejoined the Hupp club, the annual Hupp meet is in Staunton, Virginia, this year, which is just a hop skip and jump away from me down I-81. I've always been amazed at the survival rate of the Model 20. I'm convinced there are 300 - 400 or more 1909-1911 out there. Every time I've mentioned the car here or there, someone new who owns one contacts me about information. I'd guess the tools in the tool kit were generic, and not marked "Hupmobile", so it may be difficult to determine what's correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hupp36 Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 More on tools Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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