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Even if the buyer were earnest and had all intentions of restoring the car, unfortunate events can happen and then the car is dumped on the market to cover life expenses that take president.  Especially if the party that was in love with the car with the best of the intentions is taken out of the picture and the family/ estate is left to deal with it.  This could happen to one of any age,  so you can't even say,  well that young guy is the best choice because he has the longest amount of time to actually finish it.  Actually the older guy might be better because it won't be his first endeavor and he may have the finances to see it through,  Even if you can do a lot of the work yourself,  A cord is still not a cheap catalog car to restore.  

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On a side note,  that sedan is probably less rare than some maybe even many  other independent sedans from the 30's.  At any time of day,  you can access several Cords in all configurations including unrestored ones for sale.  Thus the reason the market hasn't increased because there is no scarcity of supply. 

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On 12/31/2017 at 3:18 PM, auburnseeker said:

It actually looks like some sort of frame horn sticking out under the passenger side front fender that's definitely not Cord.

What I think I see on the front of the sedan is the bumper spacing block turned 90 degrees.  It goes over the fender surface and the bumper bar attaches to it.  The bolt holds everything to the stub frame inside the fender. 

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10 minutes ago, auburnseeker said:

On a side note,  that sedan is probably less rare than some maybe even many  other independent sedans from the 30's.  At any time of day,  you can access several Cords in all configurations including unrestored ones for sale.  Thus the reason the market hasn't increased because there is no scarcity of supply. 

 

I agree with your statement for the last 15 years or so.  It seems prices were much lower, then in 2002 or 2003 there was a marked increase in sales prices for the 810 and 812.  Prices have moved around some since then, but it's pretty easy to predict in what price range a certain car should sell, based on body style and condition.  As I mentioned, I bought mine in about 1985, and am very pleased with what the price levels were then compared to now!

 

However, let's don't forget the cabriolet which sold in 2017 for $412,500.....that's the record high as far as I know.....

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1 hour ago, trimacar said:

However, let's don't forget the cabriolet which sold in 2017 for $412,500.....that's the record high as far as I know.....

 

Like I said, I'm a cheerleader but that Cabriolet is in a very rare space.  One of the original 60 or so blown cars in that body with a famous pedigree and very high end condition.

 

The phaeton that is subject of this thread  might never make 200k even if you put 400k in to based on the starting point.  

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2 hours ago, alsancle said:

 

The phaeton that is subject of this thread  might never make 200k even if you put 400k in to based on the starting point.  

Are you saying that one owner/little old lady/who help little kids, story does not apply to a bombed out car under a tarp?? 

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1 hour ago, Dave Henderson said:

Though a phaeton, the Tom Mix Cord just might top the 415,$$$ if offered at the right auction.

 

Dave, I think I agree with you, although the thought of driving Tom Mix's death car is a little unnerving....

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A correct no stories salon 12 would blow past 1.2 all day long. An 851/852 high water mark for a private sale is 1.5, so I have been told by two different people in the “loop”. I am not familiar with the exact car, but believe the gentlemen who passed the information on to me. Seven figures for good cars are a regular occurrence now.

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The two 36 super charged phaeton barn finds I mentioned here back in the fall both sold before the holidays. They were very complete and rust free. What surprised me was they stayed in Canada. I was sure they would have gone to the US with the Canadian $ being so low. Sorry had to come back and correct this as they were both Auburns. Give my head a shake.

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4 hours ago, trimacar said:

 

Dave, I think I agree with you, although the thought of driving Tom Mix's death car is a little unnerving....

Well, would you drive Tom Mix´s Packard? It´s not for sale, but next time you drive through Murdo, SD, it´s at the Pioneer Auto Show Museum.

 

 

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5 hours ago, jeff_a said:

Well, would you drive Tom Mix´s Packard? It´s not for sale, but next time you drive through Murdo, SD, it´s at the Pioneer Auto Show Museum.

 

 

Photo credit: Trip Advisor and Pioneer Auto Show

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All day long!  But he didn't die in the Packard...he died in the Cord.  Probably meaningless to the driving experience, just eerie....

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44 minutes ago, trimacar said:

 

All day long!  But he didn't die in the Packard...he died in the Cord.  Probably meaningless to the driving experience, just eerie....

 

The Packard is a 845?   I think the celebrity ownership is worth a bump, but not enough to top the Cabriolet.   Most of the guys on here have at least an idea who Tom Mix is but very shortly that will go away.  

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I've always thought that celebrity ownership added minimal value to a car, but that doesn't seem to be the real world case, as people pay premiums for a car owned or associated with celebrities or other well known personages.  I think, in order for it to add value in the minds of those people, then it must be documented quite well.  "Washington slept here" gets kind of old after the 100th time, so just saying that someone said, that someone said, that someone rode in a car really gets weak.

 

I feel the same way about movies and cars that appear in them.  At least the ownership mentioned above is some history, a car being in a movie is just a made-up occurrence, so how that can add significant value is beyond my comprehension.  I realize that a lot of people are proud of their cars being "movie car stars" and that's fine, I was in a movie with two cars myself in my younger days, and have a fond memory of meeting the actors and being on the set.  As those of you who've been in movies know, it can be boring.  I asked Jack Warden, between two well spaced takes, if it was always this slow.  His reply was yes, but it has its moments!

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I can think of a few movies that really gave the car an emblazoned spot in history thus promoting it's value well beyond any other example.  One would have to be the 32 in American Graffiti.  There were other cars including the 58 Impala but really the most focal thin in that movie is the 32.  It's just short of a movie about the mishaps and triumphs of Milner's 32. 

No better way to have documentation about your car than 30 minutes of onscreen performance that anyone with gear oil in their veins hasn't atleast seen once.   It also wasn't wrecked or part of a fleet of them like the Duke's of Hazard or Cristine.  At any point in any scene it's shown,  you know that is the car. Some other cars even earlier ones come to mind but many aren't as recognizable or the movies aren't nearly as common. 

 

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9 hours ago, edinmass said:

 

Three.......and a half. And a bunch of floor sweepings.

Just to clear things up there is/was the black one with an orange interior on Long Island, one at the Greenwich show 2017, I think the interior was black same or different car? Over the past few years I've noticed a fair number of Pebble Beach level cars getting RErestored, is that more common than most people notice? I remember working on a fully restored Type 55 Bugatti in the 1970's, took it down to the last nut and bolt save the engine & transmission, it ran  CCCA & AACA when finished, now it is up for auction this month in Arizona after a THIRD full restoration

Bob 

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2 hours ago, Grimy said:

Bernie, in all the photos you post of your wife, she seems to have that long-suffering look....writ LARGE.

 

Oh, that. Our house was built in 1853 and has a kitchen addition from 1872. It is all maple wainscotted and I have tried to keep it original. Problem is, the screen door latch is a little fidgety. One time it caught when she went through the screen door and strained herself. Ain't been the same since.

Bernie

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4 hours ago, 60FlatTop said:

 

Oh, that. Our house was built in 1853 and has a kitchen addition from 1872. It is all maple wainscotted and I have tried to keep it original. Problem is, the screen door latch is a little fidgety. One time it caught when she went through the screen door and strained herself. Ain't been the same since.

Bernie

Is that how she got her wiry figure?

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12 hours ago, alsancle said:

 

The Packard is a 845?   I think the celebrity ownership is worth a bump, but not enough to top the Cabriolet.   Most of the guys on here have at least an idea who Tom Mix is but very shortly that will go away.  

I don´t know what model the Packard is...but emailed the museum to ask. They also have a couple of Cord 812s, a ´34 Auburn Phaeton, and a 1928 Peerless.

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4 hours ago, 60FlatTop said:

Oh, that. Our house was built in 1853 and has a kitchen addition from 1872. It is all maple wainscotted and I have tried to keep it original. Problem is, the screen door latch is a little fidgety. One time it caught when she went through the screen door and strained herself. Ain't been the same since.

Or maybe it was the kitchen utensils and new vacuum cleaners you gave her as Christmas gifts.. :-)

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On 1/3/2018 at 5:01 AM, alsancle said:

 

The Packard is a 845?   I think the celebrity ownership is worth a bump, but not enough to top the Cabriolet.   Most of the guys on here have at least an idea who Tom Mix is but very shortly that will go away.  

I wrote the museum to ask what model. They didn´t say, but told me they picked the 1931 Tom Mix Packard up in 1960, from a dealer named Bob Adams. Also, that they have a 1914 Crow-Elkhart($11,000) and a 1911 Stoddard-Dayton(4-door Touring) they´d like to sell.

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Bob Adams was a well known dealer back in "the old days".  He seemed to specialize in high end Full Classics.

 

In the mid 1980's, I owned a 1938 Packard Super Eight 1603, very nice original car, this was the lowest model that year that was a Full Classic.  One day I saw an ad in  Hemmings for a metal trunk that would fit this model, and I called the gentleman about it.  As we talked, he said that he'd bought the trunk for the convertible coupe he had, and he was getting ready to sell the car, in fact it was coming out in the new issue of Hemmings in about a week.  The car was a 1938 Packard Super Eight 1604, convertible coupe, restored and a few years back had taken 99.75 points at a CCCA meet.

 

I asked him how much he wanted for the car, and he told me.  I knew immediately that, if the car were in that condition, he was well under market.  I told him I'd call him right back.  I contacted the CCCA National office, verified that the car was a winner, then called him back and told him I wanted the car and would send a substantial (five figure) deposit, which I did.  I told him I'd need a week or so to come up with the rest, no problem.

 

I was getting ready to wire him the remaining funds, when he called me.  "David," he said, "Are you interested in making $10,000 on the car?" He had a fellow standing in his living room who badly wanted the car, knew what it was sold for (as it was listed in the then-available issue of Hemmings), and made the offer.  The seller's first name was Norman, and I said "No, Norman, not interested, I want the car".  David, he replied, I am SO happy to hear you say that, that tells me it's going to a good home."

 

Later, I called Norman and asked him why the car was underpriced.  He said that Bob Adams was a good friend of his, and he was there when Bob was unloading five Full Classics from a semi trailer.  A dentist had traded all five toward one Duesenberg.  Norman liked the Packard, asked the price, and since Bob had made such a good deal on the trade, sold it to him under market.

 

I still have the Packard.  About 20 years after buying it, I happened to be standing at a space at Hershey, and the vendor said to the man standing next to me, "Here ya go, Mr. XXXXXX", and darned if it wasn't Norman!  I finally got to meet him face to face, and he was pleased I still had the car......but regretted never buying the trunk!!

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29 minutes ago, alsancle said:

 

The 845 was the custom chassis, correct?

They just built the limousine and 7-passenger touring on that chassis, and sold a few of those chassis for custom coachwork, but the factory-offered custom coachwork was on the 840 chassis.

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I called the ad on the Cords, I wanted to know what it would take to buy both cars. Seller said 25K buys them both. The open car is a cab/sportsman, missing the top bows, floor cut out for RWD trans tunnel, unknown rear end, unknown front suspension and a chopped up/missing dash. Car is missing the body tag, and titled with the number stamped on the frame(OR title). The sedan is what you see in the pictures. I thought about just driving the 4 hours to go and see the cars, I would have to let go of one of my projects to pick up those. It would take both cars to make a incomplete sportsman. Money would be better spent buying the Auburn Cab that was the all the ////////talk awhile back:) If I was to buy the Cords, I know that I could not help myself, I would build a custom out of the two. A custom open Cord would be really cool, until a person went to sell it. Something about under water automotive scuba diving??? From a custom car guy at heart, I just do not see how you can improve on the 36-37 Cord design. A removable hard top could be made out of the sedan roof, and reshaped to fit the Sportsman, and restore the car from there. But it would need to have the exhaust out the side of the hood, It just sounds like a lot of money going into something that you would get hammered on when you went to sell. I did get my courtesy car on the road. And after a night of really heavy drinking, the two cars look just about the same. 

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