38Buick 80C Posted September 5, 2021 Author Share Posted September 5, 2021 Getting there on the dash. Windshield out, ground off most of the screws. Just a handful left at steering column and cowl vent mechanism. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
38Buick 80C Posted September 5, 2021 Author Share Posted September 5, 2021 Pause on dash for a bit and took some bits off the engine. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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38Buick 80C Posted September 5, 2021 Author Share Posted September 5, 2021 (edited) Someone knew the bypass valve was a source of issues. Not crazy about the fix but an effort was made. Edited September 5, 2021 by 38Buick 80C (see edit history) 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
38Buick 80C Posted September 6, 2021 Author Share Posted September 6, 2021 I decided to leave the dash untouched today as I had only a half day to play. I focused on engine and running boards. I am thinking the manifolds may never have been off the head and the exhaust may also be as it came from the factory. Yesterday I had removed the generator, fan and pulley Today I started with the carb with an interesting find when I took that off. Note the heat riser off the center exhaust manifold. I haven't seen one of those before and the repro's don't come with them. The choke has a riser that fits over top of this tub. here are some photos prior to disassembly of the manifold of course the center section is cracked I surprisingly was able to get the manifold hardware off fairly easily and didn't break a singles stud myself (but did find one already broken). For all of them the stud came out of the block. I did break the studs from the center section holding the heat riser valve and haven't got the riser section free from the exhaust pipe. on the other side I got the distributor and starter out and got all the misc wires and things off the firewall. I don't think the drivers side splash plans have ever been off the car and I clean up one that had some original paint under the undercoating. Looks like semi-gloss black to me. Finally, I got the running boards and mounting brackets off as well. That's it for this weekend, but I bought a nut splitter so hoping to use that for the exhaust pipe and the steering column to dash bolt/nut next weekend. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
38Buick 80C Posted September 6, 2021 Author Share Posted September 6, 2021 Nut splitter worked a treat. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnD1956 Posted September 6, 2021 Share Posted September 6, 2021 1 minute ago, 38Buick 80C said: Nut splitter worked a treat. Is it next weekend already? 😇 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
38Buick 80C Posted September 6, 2021 Author Share Posted September 6, 2021 1 minute ago, JohnD1956 said: Is it next weekend already? 😇 I had to try my new toy... in dress clothes no less...I got yelled at... it was worth it... 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCHinson Posted September 7, 2021 Share Posted September 7, 2021 What is the model number of the nut splitter and where did you get it? I will eventually need to do that exact same job. I changed the exhaust manifold gaskets and installed a block off plate between the intake and exhaust manifold on my 1937 80C, but did not remove the exhaust pipe bolts since they did not want to come apart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
38Buick 80C Posted September 7, 2021 Author Share Posted September 7, 2021 8 hours ago, MCHinson said: What is the model number of the nut splitter and where did you get it? I will eventually need to do that exact same job. I changed the exhaust manifold gaskets and installed a block off plate between the intake and exhaust manifold on my 1937 80C, but did not remove the exhaust pipe bolts since they did not want to come apart. https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B07MV7NQ1N/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neil morse Posted September 7, 2021 Share Posted September 7, 2021 20 hours ago, 38Buick 80C said: I had to try my new toy... in dress clothes no less...I got yelled at... it was worth it... That's a @GaryW move right there. 😄 Your thread was already reminding me of his. I think the photo of Gary hanging a door while dressed in his tuxedo set a record for views! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancemb Posted September 8, 2021 Share Posted September 8, 2021 The nut splitter is a fantastic tool for rusty car parts! If only somebody would create a design that could be used more readily in very tight spaces... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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38Buick 80C Posted September 13, 2021 Author Share Posted September 13, 2021 (edited) Well I got a late start this weekend 4PM today is all due to Charlotte Autofair yesterday and boys soccer today. I kept using my new favorite tool... the nut splitter. This car has so much undercoating it is making some removal difficult. But got the two fender supports off finally splitting the nut at the far end of the fender on each cause everything was just spinning. I also split the nut on the dash for the steering column and then had to grind off 3 more screws but got the dash out then got the rest of the bits off the dash and there is some nice original wood grain to match I pulled the wiring harness out and the instrument cluster too along with the front seat and all the carpet in the front compartment. unfortunately I found more rust in the floor boards, rust I didn't previously know about. seat out and a quick overall of the days progress on the front passenger compartment. A few interesting tidbits I documented for authenticity purposes First is the jute mat type material on the one fender against the chassis next is what appears to be black paint (original black paint) instead of the Gainsborough Blue paint on the underside of the hood. Which I know Seybold always does the underside of his hoods for cars this era in a satin black. finally another piece of some mat type material on the radio grill for anti-rattle purposes I am sure. I'm hoping to get the fenders and the hood out to the sand blaster (and more so out of my garage as I am running out of room) and then I'd like to get the radiator out to the shop to be re-cored and again to make some space and finally I want to take some pieces to the powder coating shop to be done as well (and to make some space). Hopefully this week I can do that. If I can make a little more room I will have some space to put the motor on the stand when I pull it. I did receive my spare set of rods back from Terrill Machine where I had them converted to accept insert bearings in lieu of babbitting. Aside from one door handle and some door catches I am ready with everything to go to Hershey at least. The door catches I hadn't really planned on having ready for Hershey, but the locking door handle I did. The set screw is yet to come out. Next weekend I don't know how much time I will get to play, but I plan to work on more removal of items from the cowl back. i.e. wiper towers, door glass, etc., etc. Edited September 13, 2021 by 38Buick 80C (see edit history) 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GARY F Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 And the two hammers, one for each hand. I have a nut splitter, love it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancemb Posted September 14, 2021 Share Posted September 14, 2021 You are making quick work of that car! The underside of the hood was satin black in 1957 and 58 as well, so I'm guessing all the years in between. That's how the sheetmetal was finished after stamping and then just wasn't painted body color underneath. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
38Buick 80C Posted September 18, 2021 Author Share Posted September 18, 2021 Fenders and hood leaves went to the media blaster Monday A few test prices went to the powder coating place, getting them done in "matte black" which was a seemingly good match to semi-gloss black. Radiator also out on Tuesday. Today I've made very slow progress. Wiper towers and cowl vent out. Glass is out of both front doors too. I've literally been beating the screws out however to get the misc door and window hardware out of the door. I'm using an impact driver I bought 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Harwood Posted September 18, 2021 Share Posted September 18, 2021 Impact driver FTW! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
38Buick 80C Posted September 18, 2021 Author Share Posted September 18, 2021 When it doesn't work the tourch seems to loosen things more. But the door handle set screw for the passanger side keyed handle proved an issue. It had to be drilled out. I'm afraid I may have messed up the screw thing in the latch mechanism. What am awfel design. I also wallowed out the hole in the door handle. It will need to be rechromed so I will ask them to weld it up and redrill it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
38Buick 80C Posted September 18, 2021 Author Share Posted September 18, 2021 Still have to drive the screws out of the driver's side door latch and remote. Taking a break though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
38Buick 80C Posted September 18, 2021 Author Share Posted September 18, 2021 (edited) Tough sledding... I'm calling it a day. I got the firewall pad off, with help from my oldest also the parking brake is out as is the electric wiper motor someone had installed. I played around with removing some of the headliner just to make some progress on something not sure what that material is on the roof an whether it is factory original. Looks like some sort of sound deadening but doesn't look 85 years old. I did find something interesting on the side of the front seat. Original 85 year old fabric that had been covered over . I also got the stainless windshield surround off the car, that wasn't fun. I hope it cleans up OK, I chromed the one on the 80C and putting it on the car wasn't fun as some of the chrome cracked. Finally and the reason for waving the white flag for the day. The bolts/screws for the trans cover, pedal surround and the accelerator pedal base are all apparently going to take the brute force method to come loose. I know the motor has never been out of the car, but I guess the trans hasn't been either. My muscles are already aching from all the door screws that took the brute from impact driver method... It was tough sledding today. and the screws are below are such a pain, can get no leverage on them Edited September 18, 2021 by 38Buick 80C (see edit history) 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
38Buick 80C Posted September 20, 2021 Author Share Posted September 20, 2021 (edited) Picked up the few test pieces that I had powder coated. I am pleased. Some rust putting is visible, but they got off all the undercoating and I feel like they got the semi-gloss finish perfect. Well worth the spend. Will give them a few more pieces at a time so I don't lose any. Little before and after so to speak with the other running board brackets yet to be done next to the completed ones for comparison. Edited September 21, 2021 by 38Buick 80C (see edit history) 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Gelinas (XP-300) Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 Brian Who are you going to use for the interior now that La Baron Bonney is gone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
38Buick 80C Posted September 21, 2021 Author Share Posted September 21, 2021 10 hours ago, Dave Gelinas (XP-300) said: Brian Who are you going to use for the interior now that La Baron Bonney is gone? Well in fact nothing has changed as they didn't have interiors for my RM anyway. So I will likely get the fabric from Bill Hirsch, maybe SMS. And then have the upholstery done locally by my usual guy who did the 80C and some of the '30. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnD1956 Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 19 hours ago, 38Buick 80C said: That fan blade arrangement looks so unbalanced. Seems like it would lead to a lot of engine rocking on the mounts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Harwood Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 1 hour ago, JohnD1956 said: That fan blade arrangement looks so unbalanced. Seems like it would lead to a lot of engine rocking on the mounts. The blade by itself is double thick, too. Looks weird but seems to work well. I have the same fan on my '41 and it seems to move plenty of air without any issues. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgreen Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 The blades are offset to reduce harmonics that develop with evenly spaced blades. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
38Buick 80C Posted September 25, 2021 Author Share Posted September 25, 2021 only a small amount of time to work on the car this weekend as we have a full day of soccer games tomorrow and one earlier today. I didn't feel like beating the screws out and wanted to get something done that looks like major progress. So I had the oldest pressure wash some parts to go to the powder coater while I pulled the rockers head and eventually a few of the pans off the block. I'm not exactly sure what I am looking at on the intake valves and around the plugs. There is a minor ridge in the cylinder wall I feel pretty good about that for the age of the motor. quite a bit of sludge on the rockers and on the head. pulled the harmonic balancer and timing chain cover too. along with the oil plan and the push rod cover (no photos). 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buicknutty Posted September 25, 2021 Share Posted September 25, 2021 On 9/18/2021 at 1:15 PM, 38Buick 80C said: Fenders and hood leaves went to the media blaster Monday A few test prices went to the powder coating place, getting them done in "matte black" which was a seemingly good match to semi-gloss black. Radiator also out on Tuesday. Today I've made very slow progress. Wiper towers and cowl vent out. Glass is out of both front doors too. I've literally been beating the screws out however to get the misc door and window hardware out of the door. I'm using an impact driver I bought My Dad bought me one of these for Christmas or my birthday over 40 years ago. I still have and it's one of those tools which sits in the tool box for years without being touched, but when I need it's worth it's weight in gold. That would be a lot of money these days, so maybe only worth it's weight in silver. Keith 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
38Buick 80C Posted October 23, 2021 Author Share Posted October 23, 2021 Well a little progress before soccer today... After weeks of ATF/acetone some screws came out via the beating the piss out of them with an impact driver method. Other I gave up and got a the grinder out. Results. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
38Buick 80C Posted October 23, 2021 Author Share Posted October 23, 2021 Next step... Gonna try and pull the motor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
38Buick 80C Posted October 23, 2021 Author Share Posted October 23, 2021 My pile of powder coated items is expanding (along with a rebuilt pressure plate). I also got the radiator back from the shop with a clean bill of hhealth Dropped off all the chrome at Hershey to be redone along with the dash for woodgraining. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
38Buick 80C Posted October 23, 2021 Author Share Posted October 23, 2021 2 hours ago, 38Buick 80C said: Next step... Gonna try and pull the motor. well tried to do it without taking the trans loose as i wanted to keep the rolling chassis with brakes, but alas, no joy... maybe next weekend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old-tank Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 20 minutes ago, 38Buick 80C said: maybe next weekend Just say mañana which around here means the next day or the second coming. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
38Buick 80C Posted October 23, 2021 Author Share Posted October 23, 2021 3 hours ago, old-tank said: or the second coming. sounds like the subcontractors on my construction projects 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
38Buick 80C Posted October 24, 2021 Author Share Posted October 24, 2021 (edited) I managed to get the "good" front motor mount bolt out. If you look closely it looks like it twisted (as in starting to sheer) and definitely isn't straight anymore either. So gonna need 2 of those. luckily they are the same across all of '38. Edited October 24, 2021 by 38Buick 80C (see edit history) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmTee Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 On 10/23/2021 at 10:50 AM, 38Buick 80C said: some screws came out via the beating the piss out of them with an impact driver method. Ah, that's my second favorite -- right behind drilling the screw so that you can promptly fill the hole with the broken remnant of a hardened 'easy-out'... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonMicheletti Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 In my opinion an "easy out" is the most worthless tool there is. If a bolt is frozen in place an eay out will break too. 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
38Buick 80C Posted November 5, 2021 Author Share Posted November 5, 2021 (edited) So soccer practice was cancelled tonight thus i had the chance to play in the garage some. Incidentally soccer season pretty much runs through May, but with a break here and there and the winter league thankfully has no practices only games and only one kid plays winter league so will get some work done hopefully then. I made the most of the bonus day yes the motor is now out. It fought me, but I won interestingly... because I had to take the transmission cover off so it would clear the firewall I got to look inside... the interesting part is... it is bone dry... not a drop of fluid. Wonder how long it's been like that... none of the gears appear damaged or heat discolored, so Buick sure built them well I guess. A few other misc part that also came off either to get the motor out or since the motor was out and I could get to them this pile is going to powder coating place cause... well they are nasty grimy in spite of getting wire brushed some...so better to have them sitting around clean and ready to go back on the car than in the way and nasty Edited November 5, 2021 by 38Buick 80C (see edit history) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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