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A few years back, I was going to do a '23 Buick for a close friend....and when time came to get leather it was Hershey season, so we decided to visit Hirsch's tent....I needed 5 good hides, and going through the big stack he had there at the time, was finding one decent hide for every three at which I looked...Bill Hirsch came over in the middle of it and asked "Hey, son, what are you doing?"....looking for the good hides, I replied, and he loudly stated "ALL my hides are good, you don't need to pick through them!"....but I did, and I did....

 

I'm curious to see what hides I get.  The first thing I'll look at is how they're shipped, if rolled that's a plus, if folded in a box that's a minus.  I'm not overly concerned either way, at that price I can always use the leather for covering top bows or making welting or wire-on.

 

I was doing a car at White Post restorations, working with some expensive hides.  I cut one piece, sewed it all together, and when I went to stretch it on the seat, little bubbles started popping out of the leather surface.  Fly eggs, hidden by the finish, but came to the surface under pressure.

 

Minor defects in leather, that's called "character".  Major defects, they either need to end up in a sewn seam, thus hidden, or cut out completely and work around them....

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I did buy two hides from the supplier mentioned by Mike. 

 

They are excellent value for the money, very nice surface (a minimal pebbled look) and very clean.

 

I believe they are a good buy, and I'm happy to have them.  As I mentioned, a little thin, but I'll use them for projects that require thinner leather.

 

Only a trimmer would be so picky, I guess...for the money, very nice, but they don't have the "hand" that goes into higher quality restorations....so I guess I still sound like ah upholstery snob....

 

Now, as a side note, thank you, Mike...good source, and I'm considering buying  a few more for "stock"....

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I now restore cars for a hobby but from 1938 to 1990 my family owned a slaughterhouse which I grew up working and later owning until its closure. There were times where times where “green” hides were worth $60 plus. We skinned traditional with hand knives and proper technique is required to produce the best results which in turn brought you the most money for your hides. Using the correct salt, including the size of the kernels so dents and permanent impressions wouldn’t be in the hide along with the proper amount were all necessary, again to get the highest value for your hides. While one would think the thicker bullhides would be worth more it was always the full large dairy cow hides the tanneries wanted because those hides were large and were of a consistent thickness in the majority of the hide. Bull hides are always much thicker in the neck and shoulder area so much more work is required to thehide to make it usable.Because of my family’s commitment to doing quality work, we would often have multiple tanneries calling wanting to purchase our hides. Being in New England and close to one of the original and largest areas of tanneries, Peabody MA, we would often deliver some choice, hand picked hides to some tanneries in the Peabody area. We also sold a lot of hides to hide companies out of PEI and Boston. I believe the only hide company left in Boston today is Boston Hide which is an Italian firm and tans their hides in Italy.

      While foreign hides are older due to the age of slaughter, many are too scared especially from insects. Even in the US, the bot fly can make quick work of ruining a hide if the animal was in a high infestation area. It’s pretty crazy when you watch a 1/2” diameter worm work it’s way out of a cows hide! They seem to do that at slaughter because their blood supply is cut off I assume. It was nothing to see some animals that came up from the southwest through the auctions to have 15-20 bot worms under their hide. One can only imagine the pain those animals were experiencing. 

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It's discouraging , I've had it happen to me, spend a lot of time going over a hide, choosing nice areas, begin sewing everything, then stretch the leather over a seat and POP out come the little circles where flies laid their eggs.....

 

some slight defects in leather can be explained away as "character", but not that!

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On 10/16/2017 at 5:36 AM, trimacar said:

He does state that it's "automotive" quality, so that's a plus

How much would it take to do my seat in my 1925 buick + doors  . I don't have a cule never did a car seat out of leather . your help is good as gold to me thanks . --kyle

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5 hours ago, sligermachine said:

How much would it take to do my seat in my 1925 buick + doors  . I don't have a cule never did a car seat out of leather . your help is good as gold to me thanks . --kyle

Seat and doors might be done with two big hides, I'd have three hides on hand if I were doing it.  If you need to have matching leather welting or wire-on made, that will take up a third of a hide right there.

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On 11/2/2017 at 3:55 PM, trimacar said:

still sound like ah upholstery snob....

I think you just sound like you know what your doing --kyle 

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On 10/16/2017 at 5:36 AM, trimacar said:

If you look at details, the leather hides being offered are stated as "1 mm" in thickness.  This equates to a 2.5 ounce leather (2.5 ounce weight per square foot of leather), a VERY thin leather hide.  This leather would be 2.5/64" thick.

 

This same vendor now has thicker leather, 4 oz, on sale, much smaller hides, $50 each. I think 4 oz is about 1.75mm thick? Here is his offering:

 


Uncle George's Discount Leather Hides
September 22 at 5:58 PM · 
Uncle George scored BIG this time, and when I score, YOU WIN....!!! I have piles and piles of beautiful 4 oz black cowsides for your crafting!! These hides run 17-23 sqft on avg and are soft and pliable........ideal for a multitude of projects!! Biker leggings, vests, chaps, bags and pouches, purses, etc.
You can own one or more for only $50 apiece. USA s/h on 1 side is $15 and 2 can ship for $20. Canada s/h is $55 and $65 respectively. Please comment with your email address and I'll send you a payment request. 

 

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Will Trimacar reveal the title and author of the needle and stitch book he mentioned ? It sounds very interesting and useful. Thank you.. 

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Sure, let me find it and I'll post pictures....it's not a mainstream book, it's an obscure manufacturer's guide to needles and sewing patterns.

 

One must understand that I have a slight hoarding problem, with hundreds of books, and thousands of automobile archeological finds, so give me a few days.  I'll get the snow shovel and start digging.

 

By the way, best method to pick up Fall leaves?  Snow shovel.  My late father-in-law from north of Pittsburgh told me that once, and he was dead on.  No pun intended.....

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1 hour ago, trimacar said:

By the way, best method to pick up Fall leaves?  Snow shovel. 

Sorry for the hi-jack but my best method is to not pick them up at all. Every few days run the mower over them and make them disappear. Ok. Back to the subject already in progress.....................................Bob

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Hoarding problem ? I don't have a hoarding problem . I NEED ALL this stuff. I hate the sight of a snow shovel..........west of Pittsburgh, Pa.

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5 hours ago, mike6024 said:

This same vendor now has thicker leather, 4 oz, on sale, much smaller hides,

 

Have you bought any or seen them? Are they blacker black than the last "anthracite" batch?

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No, I'm just going to buy a couple now, not intending to use them for auto upholstery. Use them for seat cushion in the house. I am wondering why they are so small 17-23 sq ft, whereas the graphite ones were 55 sq ft. I am getting 2 for $120 including shipping.

 

( edit: I did ask him your question regarding how dark these are. If I get an answer will pass it along.)

 

He keeps throwing things up for sale on facebook. Also has red goatskin. $30 each, 3 oz weight, 7-9 sq ft.

 

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Here's what he said: Uncle George's Discount Leather Hides These are just black cowsides.....not shiney at all :)

 

That's his answer to my question, if they were darker than the other "Graphite Black." So I don't know what that means, but you can interpret it.

 

Anyway I just getting a couple because they are heavier, 4 oz, and price seems good.

 

He's still selling these, $99, 50 sq ft, think we decided they were 2.5 oz weight,  Black Graphite regular $225.00 $99.00

 

As a way of saying thanks for visiting our new site we purchased over 500 of these luxurious Black Graphite Automotive Upholstery hides and we are making them available to you for only $99 while they last.

These hides have an average range, in size, from 46 to 52 sq and they are in the 1.0 mm range in thickness.

 

Graphite Upholstery Leather Hides

 

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He keeps throwing things up for sale on facebook. Also has red goatskin. $30 each, 3 oz weight, 7-9 sq ft.

 

 

time to buy some, so I can make the kids moccasins for Christmas!

 

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Got the two (partial) hides today. They have several scrape marks in the field. Maybe that's why they are discounted the way they are. 1.5 mm thick, I took measurements at several locations.

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47 minutes ago, mike6024 said:

Got the two (partial) hides today. They have several scrape marks in the field. Maybe that's why they are discounted the way they are. 1.5 mm thick, I took measurements at several locations.

 

Thanks for posting pics!

 

How black are they?

 

How large of a mostly unblemished piece (automotive cushion face or seat insert) would you be able to get out of the chunks you received?

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On 9/24/2018 at 3:10 PM, 23hack said:

Will Trimacar reveal the title and author of the needle and stitch book he mentioned ? It sounds very interesting and useful. Thank you.. 

Better late than never?  The book is "Guide to Sewing Techniques", and it's issued by Schmetz, a German manufacturer of sewing needles. Small but 276 pages....

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I use the "Leather hide store" to get my leather. they have restoration black, the quality is very good and so is the price. It has a nice distressed look and very few blemishes. It's on sale right now. If ordered, make sure to order all you need, up front and they will send hides that match in finish. I used the same leather on my Locomobile and it has held up very well.

 

https://www.leatherhidestore.com/restoration-black-distress-leather-upholstery-hide.html

 

No offense implied, but the hide being shown in this thread is pretty bad quality, all that around edges would have to be simply removed, it's not usable, and the damages in the main field of the piece would make it very difficult to use. If it's going to be cut in to squares or strips and sewn it would be ok if a person wanted to toil with it, but not for a folded seam diamond tuft. It looks like a half hide and about half of it is usable, at 50 dollars, that is all it's worth, they are now 99, that is way too much for that. Upholstery work is difficult enough without adding additional issues to work around. Spend a bit more money and get something better quality and easier to use.

 

The machine I use is a walking foot Sailrite machine with the Monster wheel for slower speeds and higher inertia in the stitch and #140 polyester thread with a Schmetz diamond point needle. It works, but I think if I had it to do over, I would shop around for a good used Pfaff or similar.

 

Here is a seat I just did over Christmas. There are some wrinkles in the upper right and left back which I removed by restuffing, also a small gap in the lower right corner which I fixed too. Of course the flash of the camera picks up every little wrinkle.

 

I used high density foam with horsehair over the top, I sculpted the foam to shape and used spray adhesive to keep the horsehair in place. The reliability of foam and the feel of horsehair under the leather. Not sure if this is a known technique or not as I am self taught, but it seems to work well. I used upholstery tacks exclusively to secure everything, no staples. I've tried using staples and they just don't work on this sort of seat construction.

 

-Ron

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This is an old post, a question was asked of me, I tongue in cheek answered, a couple of years later....

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On 9/27/2018 at 4:49 PM, mike6024 said:

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I think I'll make a black bed cushion for my cat, since my cat is black and will disappear when sleeping on it.

 

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I bought a few of these hides back in 2017 when the original post went up, but subsequently sold the car so now I have no use for them.  If someone's interested they're available.  They are charcoal, more like a very dark grey than a true black.

Peter

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