coachJC Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 As a first time poster but a 20 year+ member of the AACA and a long time "reader" of this great forum, I thought as I was removing this car I should take a couple of pics(hope they came thru) of a car I removed from my fathers barn the other day. I know people are still amazed at what people have stored away, and hoping for some of these interesting cars to see the light of day again. My father a long time collector has bought and sold 100s of cars when he could buy them for under $50,(in the 60s) and kept some of the more interesting ones with the hope of doing something with them one day. But as with many of collectors time catches up with you and you don't realize that you are not 40 anymore and still have all these cars that you are "going to get to one day" but are not. My father is in his early 80's and is still attending old car events in his 1911 Model T or his 1933 Studebaker, has with the passing of all his younger sibling realized that it is finally time to be a little more proactive in selling off a some of his cars. Being proactive for him is allowing me to start with one car and get it out of the barn and see about advertising to sell. The car in the pictures is a 1920 JI Case 7 passenger touring. With some of these more lesser known make it is hard to find much(good) information on or even who I can contact for some help. I have spent lots if time with my friend google the last few nights but it is a lot different looking up info on a Case automobile then info for a Model A or 55 Chevy. With the vast knowledge on this forum is there a member who can assist me with some info or even some direction for a contact, any help or info would be greatly appreciated. If anyone has any question I will respond as quickly as I can, I have lots more pics too if everyone would like to see more and /or I can take more as it is sitting in my shop at my home now. Thanks Jeff C, Ontario Canada 8 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cahartley Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 You may or may not have seen this site but you can see none of the Case cars were exactly high production cars. http://www.jicasecollector.com/automobiles.html I used to know a couple Case car gurus if they are still among the living......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachJC Posted August 3, 2017 Author Share Posted August 3, 2017 Thank you cahartley for the link and yes I have been to that site. And that is where my dilemma begins, if there is one thing I have learned from reading on this site is that rare does not equal valuable. The Case seems to fall in the area where you are not old enough to be part of the HCCA and not new enough to be part of still very collectable late 20's to early 30's group of cars. It is one of that large group of cars that seem to of fallen off he radar of car collectors. Then how do you put a value on something like this car to be able to sell it. There is one car auction on YouTube that auctioned off a Case . One auction does not give a good frame of reference of previous Case cars sold to be able to put a reasonable value towards it to put it up for sale. I don't what to ask $15000 when it is only worth $5000 or the opposite, I don't want to ask $5000 if it is worth $15000..... Agh Jeff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylormade Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 Trust me, it's not worth $15,000 unless you can find someone whose great-grandfather drove one and the guy just has to have a 1920 Case. Parts won't be easy, as opposed to, say, a 1920 Dodge Brothers touring. They go for between seven and twelve grand all day, and that's for a running, driving car. I love these old tourers, but they top out at 45 with a good tailwind, so you're limited to very back roads, around a small town or parades. There is a cool 1920 Cleveland touring on this site, running and driv9ng, that's been for sale for $8500 for a long time. If that car was closer, I might be tempted if I could talk the guy down a bit. Does your Case run? If not, does the motor turn over? Do you have all the parts? If you really want to sell it, I'd bolt it back together, make sure the engine spins and all parts are there, and then sell it for five grand - if you're lucky. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly Barnett Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 In 2014 there were two CASE touring cars that sold on an auction and they brought $50,000 and $55,000 respectively. Here is a link to the sale results. Now they were fixed up. But there is a pretty strong collector following on that car because of the brand. It crosses over to the tractor collecting world. http://bid.aumannauctions.com/view-auctions/catalog/id/3455/. There is a fellow I know of looking for a Case car in southern Minnesota named Don Livingston. He deals with tractor parts specializing in Case brand. Hope the best for you and your family. Kelly 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JV Puleo Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 1912 and 1913... both of those fall into the class of reasonably "big" brass cars and would get those prices regardless of who made them. In fact, the prices are a bit on the low side for a brass cars that big. I'd say the car is worth between 5,000 and 7,000 (at best) depending on how attractive it can be made to a potential buyer. The fenders should go back on and the junk cleaned out of it. It's important that the engine not be stuck but I don't think actually running is a good idea until the pan has been down and the sump checked and cleaned. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Bond Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 What a wonderful car. I hope you can keep it and enjoy it. Unfortunately though, if you plan to sell it, that might be a tough one. It falls into an area many are referring to these days as the "dead zone." The market continues to decline for these cars. Earlier brass era cars continue to go up, especially those larger cars with the HP to climb hills and run circles around Model Ts (like mine). These cars of the 20s are not highly sought because they are in many cases largely unusable today. You can trailer them around to car shows, drive them on country roads, or put them on display in a museum or your own collection, but they don't do well in modern traffic on the highways, and don't offer the creature comforts that a lot of older club members seek (e.g. air conditioned 60's cars) that you can tour with. While this would be a great Glidden or Vintage tour-mobile, there isn't much other opportunity to use it. The parts issue has already been addressed and I believe it still has just two-wheel brakes. Still, it's an unusual enough car that someone just might go nuts over to get it going, preserve in a fairly untouched condition and run on the Glidden. It no doubt is a stronger car than a Model T. I'm not going to step into the "whatz-it-worth" pit but if you want to see it find a good home, perhaps JV's recommendation is a good one for price range. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachJC Posted August 3, 2017 Author Share Posted August 3, 2017 My plan is to put the rear fenders back on the car along with a couple of other items that were removed when restoration was started in the 60's. Hopefully this weekend as time permits I will look to see whether the motor is free or not. As my Dad said when we pulled it from the barn last weekend," it should run I drove it around when I bought it", but sometimes I think he forgets that was around 1965, 50+ years ago, LOL. He did drive the car around a bit when he bought it, but not much as the tires were shot. My boys got the job of cleaning the car out when I got it home. PS- both my boys enjoy the old car hobby and look forward to the time they can get out and drive them, just as I did at their age. The have both come to Hershey with me and my dad since the time they were born minus a couple of years due to school commitments. 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fleek Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 Best of luck with your Case. I saw a nice Case in the Tallahassee Auto Museum a few years ago. I do not remember the year of the car but I remember it as being a very interesting car. It might be worth contacting them to see if they have any info you can use. Here is their website. https://www.tacm.com/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_S_in_Penna Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 (edited) 2 hours ago, Kelly Barnett said: ... there is a pretty strong collector following on that car because of the brand. I agree that Case cars have a strong following--a small group but dedicated. One of our local AACA members is a Case specialist. He had an auction in which he sold 4 Case cars. He kept one. The prices were strong, because a nice mid-1920's Case closed car brought $50,000, whereas it would have brought $20,000 or so if it were some other similar make. I think your car could be worth more than $5000, but contacting the J. I. Case Collectors' Association will give you much better information. Actually, they might be thrilled if this is a Case car hitherto unknown to them. Edited August 3, 2017 by John_S_in_Penna (see edit history) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusty_OToole Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 Do you live anywhere near Newcastle? There used to be a Case dealer on the main street that had a huge Case emblem that probably dated back to when your car was made. It was an eagle perched on a globe and it must have been 5 feet high. The last time I saw it must have been in the mid 1970s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachJC Posted August 3, 2017 Author Share Posted August 3, 2017 Terry As a kid I took a keen interest in the Case even though it was in the back of the barn, I don't know why but it was always a car I thought I would like to have for myself, but I now have 4 Model t's and that was the first style car that dad had that I fell in love with. The problem with keeping the Case is there is also a 23 & 29 studebakers, 38 Caddy, 39 packard 120 coupe, 21 Jordan, Baby Grand Chev, 51 Merc, and more all in similar original condition. That goes along with the 3 licensed and drivable car, his Model T, Model A and Studebaker. In the end I would think only 4 or 5 of the 15+ cars may be kept between my brother, sister and myself. John Thank you and I will definitely look at contacting the J. I. Case Collectors' Association. Rusty We live in the Niagara region, 20 min west of Niagara Falls. I have been thru Newcastle numerous times (on Model t tours mainly) but don't remember the Case dealership specifically. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mercer09 Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 5000 tops................... to compare a restored 12 case and this is apples to oranges. also brass cars were far stronger in 2004 then today. Brass is dropping folks, because the fellas interested in those arent much with us anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8E45E Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 There is a 1911 Case touring in the Western Development Museum in Moose Jaw, SK. http://forum.studebakerdriversclub.com/showthread.php?55245-Orphan-of-the-Day-10-08-1911-Case-Touring Craig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don L. Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 phone me 507 433 0073 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Bond Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 The Case closed car mentioned in one of the responses above is an exception. There were darned few closed cars ever made and I believe only a handful of them survive. A closed Case from any era would be a welcome addition to most any collection, especially among Case specialists. I'll stick with my Model T. It may go slower than most others but when parts fall off, I usually have a spare under the back seat, or worst case, can dial the 800 number and get something delivered quickly. Terry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don L. Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 8 hours ago, Kelly Barnett said: In 2014 there were two CASE touring cars that sold on an auction and they brought $50,000 and $55,000 respectively. Here is a link to the sale results. Now they were fixed up. But there is a pretty strong collector following on that car because of the brand. It crosses over to the tractor collecting world. http://bid.aumannauctions.com/view-auctions/catalog/id/3455/. There is a fellow I know of looking for a Case car in southern Minnesota named Don Livingston. He deals with tractor parts specializing in Case brand. Hope the best for you and your family. Kelly Thanks Kelly ! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachJC Posted August 4, 2017 Author Share Posted August 4, 2017 Case is sold. I would like to thank everyone for their responses and input on the car and to all the guys who PM me with interest in the car. I am glad to see that the car will be going to good home and hope to see the car not just sitting in a barn but back an the road where they should be. Jeff 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TerryB Posted August 4, 2017 Share Posted August 4, 2017 I'm a little late to this thread but I have to tell you how much I enjoyed the picture of your clean up crew. Great way to introduce them to old cars and their history, especially with a car as unique as a Case. Terry 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_S_in_Penna Posted August 4, 2017 Share Posted August 4, 2017 (edited) On 8/3/2017 at 11:12 AM, Kelly Barnett said: In 2014 there were two CASE touring cars that sold on an auction and they brought $50,000 and $55,000 respectively. Here is a link to the sale results.... http://bid.aumannauctions.com/view-auctions/catalog/id/3455/. ... Thanks for the link to that auction. That's the local member's sale I mentioned, and there were four Case cars sold there. The closed car I mentioned is there, a little down the list: a 1925 Case Model X suburban coupe (pictured), which sold for $55,000 according to that website. Jeff (seller), did you sell to someone from the forum here who inquired? I hope you had the time to do sufficient research, and got a fair price. Edited August 4, 2017 by John_S_in_Penna (see edit history) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
32tatra Posted August 10, 2017 Share Posted August 10, 2017 I have a question. I read this post and the most of post was about the value, of a Case automobile. With members staying the car was worth this and here is what other Case cars sold for. In end, the car sold in two days! But the person who sold the car never told us the price. Now it must have been a boat load of money. So my question is what did the car sell for? Is it so much that it must be keep a secret? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curti Posted August 10, 2017 Share Posted August 10, 2017 In a private sale, the selling price is between the buyer and seller, and is really no one else's business. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don L. Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 (edited) I purchased this Case Car. It was delivered to me Sat the 30 of Sept 2017. It is everything they said it was. I am very happy with it. I like em original. I post time to time as things transpire. I have a Model 10-18 Case Tractor , {little green one},Year 1918 to finish first. The larger running tractor is a LH Case known as a Hesselman Diesel , of of three known. Also just bought that Dodge CNT900 in the background with a 855 Cummins and a 13 speed. It doesn't need any fixing. Thanks to Mr Kelly Barnett for the Heads Up on this Car. Edited October 4, 2017 by Don L. (see edit history) 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike6024 Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 1920 Case 7 Passenger Touring Car, Tallahassee Auto Museum, Tallahasse, FL 2013 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalowed Bill Posted October 7, 2017 Share Posted October 7, 2017 I love the 33 Studebaker! I think that it's the President Speedway that I have been hearing about for years. I knew that it was in Canada, but didn't know where. I think that it is one of two surviving, the other in the hands of a well known collector in Ma. Just curious if your father has any plans to sell it? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trulyvintage Posted October 8, 2017 Share Posted October 8, 2017 Don, Good for you ! Glad someone stepped up to save this car. Jim 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHuDWah Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 On 8/3/2017 at 2:13 PM, Rusty_OToole said: Do you live anywhere near Newcastle? There used to be a Case dealer on the main street that had a huge Case emblem that probably dated back to when your car was made. It was an eagle perched on a globe and it must have been 5 feet high. The last time I saw it must have been in the mid 1970s. There was one of those on a corner of the town square in my little hometown. The Case dealer was long gone but the eagle was still there - disappeared about the same time yours did. I'd love to know what happened to it - probably scrapped. Too bad - probably worth some bucks now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHuDWah Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 On 8/2/2017 at 9:18 PM, coachJC said: Out from long team storage So...which team stored it, how long are they, and did they win? Sorry, couldn't resist! Seriously, congratulations to seller and buyer - it's great to see this rare car find another good home. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachJC Posted October 10, 2017 Author Share Posted October 10, 2017 (edited) Don-Glad to see the car has arrived safe and sound. I hope you get it running and are able to drive and enjoy the car as they are meant to be. Bill- Yes that is my Dad's 33 Studebaker President Speedway.He has owned that car since 1963 and has no plans to sell it, just drive it as often as he can. A car show never goes by without the question of selling but that car is my Dad's pride and joy ever since he first purchased it. CHuDWah- I noticed the spelling error but was not able to go back and edit it after the fact for some reason or I would of. I got a good laugh at myself for that mistake as I work with a guy who is a spelling and grammar perfectionist so I am usually very good at double checking everything before I send things out but that one got by me, LOL Edited October 10, 2017 by coachJC (see edit history) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AC Fuhrman Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 So that went well - what's next out of the barn for sale please? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cahartley Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 On 8/3/2017 at 1:13 PM, Rusty_OToole said: Do you live anywhere near Newcastle? There used to be a Case dealer on the main street that had a huge Case emblem that probably dated back to when your car was made. It was an eagle perched on a globe and it must have been 5 feet high. The last time I saw it must have been in the mid 1970s. A Case eagle on a globe is easily worth $8,000 on a BAD day. I believe the last one sold for 12....... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe in Canada Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 On 03/08/2017 at 2:13 PM, Rusty_OToole said: Do you live anywhere near Newcastle? There used to be a Case dealer on the main street that had a huge Case emblem that probably dated back to when your car was made. It was an eagle perched on a globe and it must have been 5 feet high. The last time I saw it must have been in the mid 1970s. Did someone say Newcastle. I am on the outskirt's of Newcastle. . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8E45E Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 17 hours ago, coachJC said: Bill- Yes that is my Dad's 33 Studebaker President Speedway.He has owned that car since 1963 and has no plans to sell it, just drive it as often as he can. A car show never goes by without the question of selling but that car is my Dad's pride and joy ever since he first purchased it. I hope it remains in the family, and you're next in line for it. RQ figures its the only one in Canada. Craig 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachJC Posted October 11, 2017 Author Share Posted October 11, 2017 There were 2 large Case signs at Hershey this year both in the chocolate field at 2 different vendors. One had the Case eagle perched on the globe and stood about 6ft tall, the other looked to be a neon dealer sign that was about 7ft tall. Both were in very good shape and the neon sign was quite expensive asking $18.500. But where are you going to find another. Jeff 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachJC Posted October 11, 2017 Author Share Posted October 11, 2017 Craig- I had lots of conversation in person and thru email with RQ about 10yrs ago when he was putting the article together in the Antique Studebaker Review about the 7( can't remember for sure) of the remaining 33 Studebaker 92 series cars. My dad always enjoyed going and visiting with him when he used to come to Hershey. Very Knowledge guy. The plan is for the car to stay in the family Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8E45E Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 21 hours ago, coachJC said: The plan is for the car to stay in the family Good to hear! We had a local member here with a Model 82. Unfortunately, it got lost in a garage fire some 15 years ago http://forum.studebakerdriversclub.com/showthread.php?92009-33-Convertiible-barn-find-recovery-in-Australia&highlight=seaborn Craig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don L. Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 6 stuck exhaust valves 2 weeks ago....now none. Pistons never stuck. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don L. Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 Went thru the Westinghouse Electric Starter. It is en great shape. Turned the armature and new brushes, My bud charged me $40.00 ! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe in Canada Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 (edited) On 03/08/2017 at 2:13 PM, Rusty_OToole said: Do you live anywhere near Newcastle? There used to be a Case dealer on the main street that had a huge Case emblem that probably dated back to when your car was made. It was an eagle perched on a globe and it must have been 5 feet high. The last time I saw it must have been in the mid 1970s. I know where that Cast eagle is. On a farm on the south end of Little Britain sitting in a drive shed. The fellow has his collection from farm to stock car memorabilia in the two buildings. His place was a stop we did on a Vintage tour last year. You can see the back half of it to the right in the picture. Going through old pictures I spotted it by chance Rusty. I have his name and number if you cannot live without it. Edited November 3, 2017 by Joe in Canada (see edit history) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusty_OToole Posted November 4, 2017 Share Posted November 4, 2017 I'm glad it found a good home. I could use that hopped up Chevy six though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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