prewarnut Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 Among a few indignities to the Avon how does one fix the roof? Does it need to come off or can the padding be stuffed by releasing the material from the bottom edge? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JV Puleo Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 Why would you want to keep a white vinyl roof? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted February 23, 2022 Author Share Posted February 23, 2022 2 hours ago, JV Puleo said: Why would you want to keep a white vinyl roof? Cause it looked great on my 69 GTO in high school. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JV Puleo Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 Unless it's been replaced, the wiring in that car is shot as well. It had a minor electrical fire under the dash while I was driving it. It didn't cause any damage but there was no way Ted would let me rewire it... "just tape it " was more his way of doing things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prewarnut Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 19 hours ago, JV Puleo said: Why would you want to keep a white vinyl roof? Good point, my eye went to the problem but not the source of the problem as it were.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted February 24, 2022 Author Share Posted February 24, 2022 This an actual ad from a professional car dealer. I honestly don't know what they are trying to do. Photoshopped pictures? eBay? Why? I think it is a decent semi original car in good colors and a reasonably desirable closed body. But I can't tell from their pictures. https://www.ebay.com/itm/1931-Rolls-Royce-Phantom-/185310383502 There is no description, or engine shots or really decent photos of any part of the car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JV Puleo Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 They must have hired a recent art school graduate...probably from RISD. (Rhode Island School of Design) That shouldn't be taken as a reflection on all art schools...there are some very good ones but I spent too long trying to accommodate "designers" who were completely unconcerned with their client's goals and solely interested in having someone subsidize their impression of art. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JV Puleo Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 Does anyone seriously think that car has less then 5000 miles on it? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Bloom Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 Teaser photos. Designed to cause you to beg for more. I am jaded and cynical, and getting worse year after year. I assume the photos were chosen to hide the truth...... But absolutely a cool car. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 Every pre war Rolls is absolutely junk......until proven otherwise.........and in the end, the junk analysis is 99.9 percent accurate. Having fifteen children and five ex wives is cheaper and easier than owning a poorly done PI or PII........... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prewarnut Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 Coffee table book photos....they say it's always five o'clock somewhere. Now we know where! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted March 4, 2022 Author Share Posted March 4, 2022 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Bloom Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 A trophy to the guy who can sneak in and out of town in that Town car. What would the wheelbase be on that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Ward Posted March 5, 2022 Share Posted March 5, 2022 150 inches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prewarnut Posted March 5, 2022 Share Posted March 5, 2022 That car is the middle finger to the proletariat. I love it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted March 5, 2022 Author Share Posted March 5, 2022 12 hours ago, Keith Ward said: 150 inches. It is an AMS series car, so part of that very small batch of chassis with yours. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted March 5, 2022 Share Posted March 5, 2022 I think if I owned that car, every time I got in and out, I would smash my head so hard on the opera light I would be bleeding. It wouldn’t bother me a bit. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted March 5, 2022 Author Share Posted March 5, 2022 I think I posted this in the Amelia thread. I spent a lot of time looking at the two AJS town cars. The brown car has not run in 15 years, decent but old cosmetics. The maroon town car had the full length hood, nicer cosmetics, and was running and driving. Both cars brought 110 hammer. I honestly don’t understand. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Ward Posted March 5, 2022 Share Posted March 5, 2022 29 minutes ago, alsancle said: It is an AMS series car, so part of that very small batch of chassis with yours. I think from memory there were 25 AMS chassis built but I could be mistaken. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted March 5, 2022 Author Share Posted March 5, 2022 24 minutes ago, Keith Ward said: I think from memory there were 25 AMS chassis built but I could be mistaken. The math I have in my head is 100 AJS plus 25 AMS equals 125 total LHD PII chassis. but I guess one of us should actually look it up and confirm? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Ward Posted March 5, 2022 Share Posted March 5, 2022 (edited) Al, RR didn’t use the number 13 in their numbering schemes either so no 213AMS Edited March 5, 2022 by Keith Ward (see edit history) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted March 7, 2022 Author Share Posted March 7, 2022 (edited) I couldn’t find the tool kit thread I started, so this can go here. From Amelia Island yesterday. Edited March 7, 2022 by alsancle (see edit history) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_Mereness Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 On 3/7/2022 at 11:14 AM, alsancle said: I couldn’t find the tool kit thread I started, so this can go here. From Amelia Island yesterday. Impressive, though doubt every car had a full tool kit (Mine had a healthy pouch but everything had to be in the pouch just right for it to fit in the tool tray) and it has a wheel wrench, oil pan/transmission wrench, a small and a large screw driver, adjustable wrench, a pair of pliers, a hammer, a grease gun, an extra ignition key, a feeler gauge for timing, a jack, and a jack handle (handle not in the bag). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_Mereness Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 As a sidenote: This is probably about right as if mileage is correct you are in for a "hell of a job" and expense to get this automobile road worth (and I guess you can ignore all that, but ....). Good news is that is probably is at its worst "look" condition wise since it was built, though overall pretty solid as to difficult to restore parts.. From the 1978 motion picture The Betsy 1929 Rolls-Royce Phantom I Avon Touring Sedan Coachwork by Brewster & Co. THE AMELIA ISLAND AUCTION 3 March 2022, 13:00 EST Fernandina Beach Golf Club Sold for US$26,880 inc. premium Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted March 9, 2022 Author Share Posted March 9, 2022 8 minutes ago, John_Mereness said: As a sidenote: This is probably about right as if mileage is correct you are in for a "hell of a job" and expense to get this automobile road worth (and I guess you can ignore all that, but ....). Good news is that is probably is at its worst "look" condition wise since it was built, though overall pretty solid as to difficult to restore parts.. From the 1978 motion picture The Betsy 1929 Rolls-Royce Phantom I Avon Touring Sedan Coachwork by Brewster & Co. THE AMELIA ISLAND AUCTION 3 March 2022, 13:00 EST Fernandina Beach Golf Club Sold for US$26,880 inc. premium Fenders were fiberglass. One of the forum members, who was involved in the filming of the great Gatsby movie pointed out that this car was used in the filming and they had to crash it, fiberglass fenders replaced the steel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidAU Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 On 3/8/2022 at 2:14 AM, alsancle said: I couldn’t find the tool kit thread I started, so this can go here. From Amelia Island yesterday. No Tube spanners or Tommy Bars. I thought they were part of all Rolls-Royce took kit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted March 10, 2022 Author Share Posted March 10, 2022 47 minutes ago, DavidAU said: No Tube spanners or Tommy Bars. I thought they were part of all Rolls-Royce took kit. What is a Tommy Bar? This is a PII toolkit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidAU Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 Tommy bars are the steel rods used to turn the Tube (box) spanners. I see they are on the left side at the back in your photo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JV Puleo Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 16 hours ago, alsancle said: Fenders were fiberglass. One of the forum members, who was involved in the filming of the great Gatsby movie pointed out that this car was used in the filming and they had to crash it, fiberglass fenders replaced the steel. The fenders were made for the yellow Ascot that has been on ebay for 1,000,000. (The so-called Great Gatsby car) At the time, since Paramount Pictures was paying for them, Ted had several extra sets made. One of the extra sets went on this car because he liked them better than the original fenders. I've no idea what happened to those. I don't know what they advertised the mileage as being but I suspect this car has been around the clock at least 3 times. The engine is/was very warn and smoked like an out-of-adjustment Sterns...It was bored and got new pistons & rings which cured the smoking but did nothing for the bearings. It also needed to be completely re-wired as it already had one electrical fire (I was driving it at the time) ...All of this may have been addressed since then. I'm remembering events of more than 40 years ago (I was about 25 then and I'm 70 now) but from the look of it I'd guess the car has hardly moved under its own power in that time. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motoringicons Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 John de Campi (RIP) was the prewar Rolls Royce tool kit guru. He was helpful in getting me all the right tools for my SPI. These tools are really essential for working on these cars as most of them were made for specific applications. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted March 11, 2022 Author Share Posted March 11, 2022 32 minutes ago, motoringicons said: John de Campi (RIP) was the prewar Rolls Royce tool kit guru. He was helpful in getting me all the right tools for my SPI. These tools are really essential for working on these cars as most of them were made for specific applications. You can literally work on the entire car using the factory toolkit. This was interesting and news to me when I first figured it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Ward Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 There is a section dedicated to tool kits on the RREC members forum, it is amazing the variation between tool kits even for individual models car, the tools section in the handbooks just shows what was available to buy but I don’t think any car carried everything shown. The AMS and AJS chassis were shipped to the US without tool kits (and other things) to reduce US import duty 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_Mereness Posted March 12, 2022 Share Posted March 12, 2022 On 3/9/2022 at 8:23 PM, alsancle said: What is a Tommy Bar? This is a PII toolkit. Your tommy bars are on the far left - they are rods to insert into tools for better leverage 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted March 22, 2022 Author Share Posted March 22, 2022 Nice car. New coachwork: https://www.ebay.com/itm/1929-Rolls-Royce-Phantom-I-York-/334375155665 his beautifully restored Rolls Royce Phantom 1 wears exquisite coachwork in the style of the famous York roadster. Of all the bodies to be offered by Rolls Royce of America on the P1, the York is probably the most coveted. It is believed that only around three examples survive today and reside in some of the finest collections.Noted marque specialists, Enfield Restorations in Enfield, Connecticut undertook the restoration and coach building. Shop owner John Abrahamson executed the project for his owner personal use and to display the shops extensive capabilities. Mr. Abrahamson attained an original York and did extensive measurements and patterning to ensure this car would be as close to the original in every way.The project required extensive woodwork, panel beating and many special castings unique to these cars. The resulting body is stunning. With wonderful panel fit and quality indistinguishable for the original.The rest of the car was restored to the same high level as the body. The idea was to have the car be fully show quality but also possess excellent touring performance. Don't be fooled by its great looks and condition the York its road performance has been proven on numerous Rolls Royce club tours.Finished in an attractive two-tone green color scheme and rolling on bright finish wheels with a tan cloth top. All associated top boots and side curtains are included. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 Nope.......not nice.......Fantastic! They copied our real York when they made this one. Fantastic craftsmanship, perfect attention to detail, and for .20 cents on the dollar for a real one....... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Ward Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 Wow, that is shockingly beautiful, it's good to see the skills and talent needed to build such masterpieces still exist today, I take my hat off to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_Mereness Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 1 hour ago, alsancle said: Nice car. New coachwork: https://www.ebay.com/itm/1929-Rolls-Royce-Phantom-I-York-/334375155665 his beautifully restored Rolls Royce Phantom 1 wears exquisite coachwork in the style of the famous York roadster. Of all the bodies to be offered by Rolls Royce of America on the P1, the York is probably the most coveted. It is believed that only around three examples survive today and reside in some of the finest collections.Noted marque specialists, Enfield Restorations in Enfield, Connecticut undertook the restoration and coach building. Shop owner John Abrahamson executed the project for his owner personal use and to display the shops extensive capabilities. Mr. Abrahamson attained an original York and did extensive measurements and patterning to ensure this car would be as close to the original in every way.The project required extensive woodwork, panel beating and many special castings unique to these cars. The resulting body is stunning. With wonderful panel fit and quality indistinguishable for the original.The rest of the car was restored to the same high level as the body. The idea was to have the car be fully show quality but also possess excellent touring performance. Don't be fooled by its great looks and condition the York its road performance has been proven on numerous Rolls Royce club tours.Finished in an attractive two-tone green color scheme and rolling on bright finish wheels with a tan cloth top. All associated top boots and side curtains are included. As stunning as it is, I am still not a fan of a RR hood with doors in it (right or wrong in my opinion when I see hood doors on a PI it just rings pre-restoration failing aluminum cylinder head and overheated - one of the first discussions in RROC upon formation in early 1950's was failing cylinder heads). My RR in 1970's came with a collection of heads - they became doorsteps to a barn and perhaps are still there even. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted March 22, 2022 Author Share Posted March 22, 2022 20 minutes ago, John_Mereness said: As stunning as it is, I am still not a fan of a RR hood with doors in it (right or wrong in my opinion when I see hood doors on a PI it just rings pre-restoration failing aluminum cylinder head and overheated - one of the first discussions in RROC upon formation in early 1950's was failing cylinder heads). My RR in 1970's came with a collection of heads - they became doorsteps to a barn and perhaps are still there even. Is that a restoration add on? I know some of the PIIs with Brewster bodies have the triple curved polished vents towards the back of the hood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_Mereness Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 10 minutes ago, alsancle said: Is that a restoration add on? I know some of the PIIs with Brewster bodies have the triple curved polished vents towards the back of the hood. That is a brightly lit PII - albeit a pretty good looking PII (sidenote: it could stand an "American" set of bumpers and you and I would have to change out the taillights within minutes of ownership, followed by probably painting the background on the wheel disks). I am just use to seeing factory photos of PI Springfield cars without hood vents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted March 22, 2022 Author Share Posted March 22, 2022 The reproduction York sold for 360K at Bonhams Amelia back in 2016. https://www.bonhams.com/auctions/23133/lot/193/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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