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On 3/21/2021 at 9:25 AM, alsancle said:

Gatsby Rolls is still for sale,  this time on eBay.

 

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1928-Rolls-Royce-Phantom-I-/143983892340

 

See inspection report, full photos, videos and more at . Robert Redfords Gatsby Rolls. This is one of the very few cars ever to hold co-star status within a great American classic novel, an iconic movie, and an actor such as Robert Redford. This 1928 Rolls-Royce 40/50hp Phantom I Ascot Dual Cowl Sport Phaeton is nearly perfect after benefiting from a thorough restoration with marque experts with a total investment of about $1.2 million. We believe it is safe to say that between its provenance on the silver screen and the restoration, this is one of the most important Rolls-Royces in existence. F. Scott Fitzgerald selected a Rolls-Royce as the car to be featured in his classic and timeless novel, The Great Gatsby. The car was described in detail in the novel and was an important highlight in the movie as well. And with an all-star cast selected by Paramount studios, it was important that the Rolls-Royce was equally as stunning. Robert Redford starred alongside Mia Farrow to create this all-time classic movie. S304KP was just the right car to co-star with Robert Redford. It had been owned by Ted Leonard who was a well known collector from Seekonk, Massachusetts. The Rolls is likely the only Ascot sport phaeton built as a dual cowl. And this was one of the details F. Scott Fitzgerald included in his description of Jay Gatsbys Rolls: He saw me looking with admiration at his car. Its pretty, isnt it, old sport! He jumped off to give me a better view. Havent you ever seen it before? Id seen it. Everybody had seen it. It was a rich cream color, bright with nickel, swollen here and there in its monstrous length with triumphant hat-boxes and supper-boxes and tool-boxes, and terraced with a labyrinth of wind-shields that mirrored a dozen suns. Sitting down behind many layers of glass in a sort of green leather conservatory, we started to town. After being selected as The Gatsby Rolls, S304KP required its livery repainted in the creamy yellow combination and its leather interior to be dyed in an elegant green. The result was perfect. Chassis S304KP was originally a Town Brougham delivered to Mildred Loring Logan of New York City, and was later owned by American Tobacco Company president, George Washington Hill. There is no documented history in the Rolls-Royce factory Schoellkopf Cards from 1929 through 1964. The research determines that the Ascot body was originally mounted onto chassis S240RM and that the body was moved onto chassis S304KP sometime during or after 1945. The history of the Rolls is well researched and documented, and copies of the related factory and historical information accompany the motorcar. Mr. Leonard acquired the car just in time for the starring role as The Gatsby Rolls. The Leonards maintained ownership of S304KP for the next 36 years. In 2009, The Gatsby Rolls was sold at auction from Leonards estate to John OQuinn of Houston, Texas. Mr. OQuinn died suddenly a few months later, and the car was eventually sold to the current owners, for whom a ground-up restoration was completed from 2011 through 2019. Many of the leading experts were involved in the restoration. Steve Littin from Vintage & Auto Rebuilds in Chardon, Ohio did the full mechanical restoration and the paint and body restoration was performed by Shawn Robinson from Yesterdays in Tyler, Texas. The Gatsby Rolls is nearly perfect today after a total investment in the restoration of about $1.2 million. It would be welcomed at any concours event throughout the world, and had been invited to be shown at the 2019 Pebble Beach Concours. The elegant cream paint is excellent in all respects and is accented by the abundance of concours quality chrome. The green leather interior is complimented by the tan Haartz cloth canvas convertible top and the beautiful wood dashboard with chrome bezels. The Ascot body is widely considered one of the most stunning designs of the classic period. It is both sporty and elegant. We have an appraisal for The Gatsby Rolls supporting the asking price. But more importantly, we believe this Rolls is priced well. It is well known that such iconic classics that are indelibly fixed into our memories and culture, are sought after the world over. This explains the values for such items as the decrepit Bullet Mustang selling for $3.74 million in January 2020 and Paul Newmans Rolex selling for $17.8 million in October 2017. The Great Gatsby as a book has sold about 30 million copies and the number of people who have watch the classic movie is beyond estimation. This is an important fixture in Americas culture. This may be a once in a lifetime opportunity to acquire one of the most important Rolls-Royces in the world. The Gatsby Rolls is owned by The Chamberlain Foundation, a not-for-profit. Its purpose is to help educate future restorers of collector cars and watch makers. Certain tax advantages may be available to the purchaser of the motorcar. The Gatsby Rolls is available for viewing and inspection in Texas. Please call, text or email Harry Clark at 1.602.245.7200 or .

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A hood explanation would be nice ? 

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1 hour ago, John_Mereness said:

We believe it is safe to say that between its provenance on the silver screen and the restoration, this is one of the most important Rolls-Royces in existence

Hmmm, that's a big claim, perhaps one of the most famous but "Important" I'm not sure

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1 hour ago, Keith Ward said:

Hmmm, that's a big claim, perhaps one of the most famous but "Important" I'm not sure


 

Having actually driven some of the most important and famous Rolls Royce cars in existence.........I can tell you this car wouldn’t make the top 200 on my list of either adjective. 
 

Joe- as far as a number, your analysis is off........way off...........the multiple is six NOT four.

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I copied my thoughts from the for sale thread.   Wondering what you guys think?

 

To understand the market for a car like this you can look at this comp from RM Monterey a couple of years ago.   Identical Ascot with rock solid history brought 280K all in.   There are four differences that I can see:

 

1.  The yellow car had a rear deck added to it, in period or after.

 

2.  The yellow car has a movie history.

 

3.  The green car was built new with the body it carries.

 

4.  The green car is one of a few that has no exterior door hinges.

 

So,  the question is how much is the deck and the movie history worth?   Typically movie appearances (with a few notable exceptions)  don't bring huge premiums. 

 

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I think it's an iron head PI unless it was heavily updated. Servo operated front brakes and vertical shutters on the radiator. Some Ghosts were updated with front brakes but I've only seen Westinghouse air brakes fitted to a ghost chassis and this car has the cables running back to the servo on the transmission. They may well have done the complete change over but putting P1 styled 4-wheel brakes on a Ghost chassis would have required changing the transmission.

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On 3/22/2021 at 8:49 AM, alsancle said:

I copied my thoughts from the for sale thread.   Wondering what you guys think?

 

To understand the market for a car like this you can look at this comp from RM Monterey a couple of years ago.   Identical Ascot with rock solid history brought 280K all in.   There are four differences that I can see:

 

1.  The yellow car had a rear deck added to it, in period or after.

 

2.  The yellow car has a movie history.

 

3.  The green car was built new with the body it carries.

 

4.  The green car is one of a few that has no exterior door hinges.

 

So,  the question is how much is the deck and the movie history worth?   Typically movie appearances (with a few notable exceptions)  don't bring huge premiums. 

 

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Is this the same car?

 

 

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https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/747-Patterson-Pl_Pacific-Palisades_CA_90272_M27738-31171

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1931 Rolls-Royce Phantom II (237AJS) LHD Keswick Town Car by Brewster

 

162K

 

1931 Rolls Royce Phantom II,  rare and original Derby built LHD specification,  Keswick Town Car by Brewster USA,

recently restored, concourse condition, ready to go.

History of the car:

1931 Phantom II (237AJS) Keswick Town Car by Brewster was originally bodied as Croydon Convertible Coupe by Brewster owned by J. Cheney Wells, Chief of the American Optical Company. It was one of 125 Derby built,factory original LHD chassis, dedicated to American market. In Aug 1939, the Croydon body was swapped by Inskip with the Keswick Town Car which was on 1931 chassis 217AJS (Brewster body #7315). It is not known if the swap was decided by one the owners or by J.S. Inskip himself. The new owner was Mrs Anne Taylor Thomas whose husband Benjamin F. Thomas was a lawyer with great flair: in 1889 with a lawyer friend, Joseph B. Whitehead, he persuaded Asa Candler, the owner of the Coca Cola formula, to sell them the exclusive rights to bottle the famous drink. They became millionaires. There are 3 more known owners of the car in the USA. 237AJS with its Keswick body was illustrated in John Webb de Campi's book"Rolls-Royce in America" p. 140. Keswick Town Car body was dedicated to Phantom II chassis, only 12 cars was bodied with ‘Keswick’ design and a mere 3 survived till today. 237AJS was imported back to the UK in 2012. The present owners acquired the car in 2014. After a few short tours decision was taken to restore the car, what took 5 years. The car has been recently featured in RREC bulletin “Spirit and Speed” as well as in 20-Ghost Club 70 anniversary book.

Restoration:

The Phantom II has been restored down to the finest detail, from the chassis frame to all components and systems. It’s engine was dismantled and rebuilt, all pistons, bearings, valves and guides were replaced. The brake system, gearbox, clutch, magneto, dynamo, radiator, pump, Autovac ,in a word, all fully restored. The chassis received new wiring with the correct colors cotton covers, correct terminals and marks. The Keswick body underwent a complete rebuild, all wooden elements were checked, panels repaired but all left original (no part has been replaced). New upholstery was made as exact copy of original, using all correct materials imported from the USA, specific leather and woolen fabric, done by expert using period techniques, exactly as in the original specification. All wooden veneered elements of the interior are in perfect condition, no element has been replaced, only the varnish has been refreshed. All chrome and nickel parts received new, proper plating, including details of the engine accessories, which were covered with dull nickel. New paint, cream and black, reflects original Brewster design found at factory pictures. New Firestone whitewall tires and fitted all around. The 237AJS was presented at the RREC concourse in 2019, where it received nice score, favorable opinions and a number of advice from the judges to improve this car before the next competition. Additionally, the owner consulted the development of the car at the annual RREC seminar at The Hunt House. All suggestions were taken into account and implemented during the works in the winter 2019-2020 and the car was ready for the next concourse in 2020, which unfortunately was canceled. Currently, 237 AJS is in concourse condition, cosmetically and mechanically. It is regularly used and ready for long journeys. The odometer shows  1500 miles, she is just run-in, fine-tuned, refined in details. 

The restoration process is fully documented with several hundreds of pictures. The cost of restoration is also fully documented and eye watering. A thick pile of bills from Fiennes Restoration, Ristes Motors, Derby Plating, SMS fabrics, AJ Glew, Wefco Geiters, Autovac, to name a few. Incredible number of over 10.000 hours has been spent on the car’s restoration to bring her to full glory.

Driving experience:

The Phantom II was designed to impress. Its long bonnet, overall dimensions and almost 8 liter engine gives a feeling of power. To say it’s a head turner would be understatement, she really makes You feel very, very special. Public reaction is very positive as prewar cars need love, enthusiasm and much attention, not only money spent. People appreciate it, we were surrounded by smiley faces wherever we stopped. The engine produces plenty of torque, there is no need to gear down from 4th, she pulls from 10 to 70+ mph. Relax cruising speed is 55-60 mph. The 4 wheel breaking system with servo mechanism is surprisingly effective, steering is well responsive. Suspension is fully restored (springs,lubrication, dumpers) and the car glides beautifully. Oil pressure 25-30, water always below 90*C even in hottest days, calorstat restored, opens and closes shutters as intended. The Keswick Town Car is equipped with folding front roof and tilting windscreen, letting the driver Al-fresco motoring feel, while the rear cabin is a luxury saloon and separates passengers from external world. It’s actually a perfect all weather car. Very rare original left hand drive configuration makes driving easier in continental Europe or USA. Central lubrication system makes maintenance simple and pleasant.

Summary:

- very original car with interesting, documented history

- recently resorted, just run-in, millage  1500 miles.

- concourse condition, rare opportunity to enter next concourse with fully prepared and widely consulted car

- perfect mechanical  condition,  the car is fully serviced for 2021 season, all checks and adjustments done, oil replaced, fluids re-filled. 

- full documentation of restoration process, photos, bills, literature, comprehensive correct and original tool kit, original handbook, original Derby LHD sale brochure, books featuring the car, all goes with the car.

- registered in Poland as regular car with valid EU MOT (technical acceptance test), no need for any export permission, 

Location: Northern Poland, Bydgoszcz.

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This is a real mystery to me, thought to be a Rolls Royce LHD gear shift lever which is situated to the left of the driver instead of the usual central location. Has anybody any knowledge of this, is it a very early Springfield Ghost or a prototype unit, any help identifying it would be appreciated 

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