Electric Trucks is the goal to reduce Pollution

[Mark Gregory]

I did not know there was such a push into the trucking business to go electric from mail trucks , to garbage trucks in the USA .

 

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The International Energy Agency (IEA) believes that keeping global temperature rises below 2C by the end of the century will in part depend on the electrification of some 600 million vehicles worldwide.

 

http://www.bbc.com/news/business-40715793

 

Edited July 29, 2017 by Mark Gregory (see edit history)

[joe_padavano]

This application actually makes more sense.  Trucks are less sensitive to carrying the extra battery weight, and short haul delivery routes with frequent stops and traffic are applications where electric vehicles shine, since it avoids the wasteful idling of ICE engines.  Don't expect to see this on long haul trucks anytime soon, however.

[John_S_in_Penna]

9 minutes ago, Mark Gregory said:

I did not know there was such a push into the trucking business to go electric from mail trucks , to garbage trucks in the USA .

 

Mark, your term "push" is appropriate.  I haven't heard

of those ideas, and they are probably still nascent and

in the background.  However, it sounds as if someone

may be trying to PUSH us, rather than let the American

free market decide for itself.

[auburnseeker]

20 minutes ago, John_S_in_Penna said:

 

Mark, your term "push" is appropriate.  I haven't heard

of those ideas, and they are probably still nascent and

in the background.  However, it sounds as if someone

may be trying to PUSH us, rather than let the American

free market decide for itself.

That seems to be the case with most of the Electric and Alternative fuel market.  IF there was such a demand as they proclaim,  the free market would really be working quickly  and on a very wide spectrum to full fill that need as the financial reward would be there.   (That's how the free market is suppose to work when not manipulated by the Gov.t or Lobbyists. )  It's easy to make every body follow the program when they blatantly outlaw something or find a way to regulate it out of existence.  Ethanol fuel anyone? 

[Brass is Best]

Write or call your senator and congressman. Tell them to protect Internal combustion engines and old cars. 

[MarrsCars]

1 hour ago, Mark Gregory said:

I did not know there was such a push into the trucking business to go electric from mail trucks , to garbage trucks in the USA .

 

QUOTE

The International Energy Agency (IEA) believes that keeping global temperature rises below 2C by the end of the century will in part depend on the electrification of some 600 million vehicles worldwide.

 

http://www.bbc.com/news/business-40715793

 

 

I've been seeing electric, hybrid and of course GNG garage and short haul delivery trucks at auto shows for years, and the hybrid ones are already in use in the Pacific NW. They are much quieter, as anyone who has ever been woken up by the loud engine sounds of a diesel rig outside their home at 5am can attest (tho they haven't found a way to deaden the sound of trash being lifted into the bed).

 

LA, Seattle, Portland, and SF city governments are engaging in a program to buy up to 24,000 electric vehicles to kickstart those communities, which are probably some of the most accepting of this technology. https://nextcity.org/daily/entry/mayors-electric-vehicle-city-fleets

 

I wouldn't say there is no demand, as I tend to repeat time and time again on this forum, the younger generations widely support many technologies that older folks do not. This is the market these companies are targeting, this is the group the government agencies are addressing, and this is the group who will inherit the planet and has every right to make decisions about it's direction. 

[1912Staver]

Quite a few transport trucks are switching to CNG  fuel jn my area {South Western British Columbia}. The truck fleet that delivers the Diesel fuel to the ship I work on uses them. A B train of 50,000 litres 5 nights a week. About 35 miles each way in a mixed urban/ suburban environment, plus all of their regular gas station fuel deliverys in the greater Vancouver area. The drivers don't like them much. Not much power compared to their old diesel trucks. More problems with the trucks themselves, often electronic. Overall cheaper ? only their Co. accountant probably can say but I believe there is some sort of taxpayer funded incentive involved.

 

Greg in Canada

[John_S_in_Penna]

8 hours ago, MarrsCars said:

... the younger generations widely support many technologies that older folks do not. ...

 

Here's my humble but devoted take on the idea:

I don't see the issue as having to do with the age of a person.

I'm a generation younger than many AACA friends.

I greatly respect people who have more experience and accumulated

knowledge than I do, and someone who is young doesn't get his

ideas advanced simply because he's been around for fewer years.

 

"Oh,  you don't like digital audio tape, or mini-disks?" someone may have

said in the 1980's or 1990's about the Next Big Thing in audio. 

"What are you, an old fuddy-duddy?"  Yet those purported new advances

totally failed to catch on.  Should city governments have bought a bunch of

those new-format audio players to promote those new ideas?

 

New ideas are welcome.  Some will succeed on their own;  others will fail.

Some ideas are IMPROVEMENTS, others are just DIFFERENT.

When people aren't wise, something will come along that's WORSE than

what came before it.

 

If an idea doesn't succeed, it is the people's choice.

Edited July 29, 2017 by John_S_in_Penna (see edit history)

[MarrsCars]

20 hours ago, John_S_in_Penna said:

 

Here's my humble but devoted take on the idea:

I don't see the issue as having to do with the age of a person.

I'm a generation younger than many AACA friends.

I greatly respect people who have more experience and accumulated

knowledge than I do, and someone who is young doesn't get his

ideas advanced simply because he's been around for fewer years.

 

"Oh,  you don't like digital audio tape, or mini-disks?" someone may have

said in the 1980's or 1990's about the Next Big Thing in audio. 

"What are you, an old fuddy-duddy?"  Yet those purported new advances

totally failed to catch on.  Should city governments have bought a bunch of

those new-format audio players to promote those new ideas?

 

New ideas are welcome.  Some will succeed on their own;  others will fail.

Some ideas are IMPROVEMENTS, others are just DIFFERENT.

When people aren't wise, something will come along that's WORSE than

what came before it.

 

If an idea doesn't succeed, it is the people's choice.

 

Excellent and entirely valid points, thank you. More of an aside here, but I felt like DATs and Mini-disc's did take off for about a decade, it's all we used in professional audio production during the 1990's, and disappeared only really when purely digital storage methods came along, I'm implying that their time came and went appropriately. I chuckled when you wrote that because I just recently came across a stack of old DATs that I offered to send back to one of my artists but his reply was, "Hold on to them. I don't think I even know anyone who still has a DAT player?!?"

[padgett]

Have been a lot of technologies that were once popular then went bust. Back in the daze of Bulletin Boards, 2400 baud modems, and VT100s Bruce Sterling led a forum on forgotten technologies (Dead Media). Maybe is time to revive.

 

I probably have one of just about everything after 1980 here somewhere probably should organize a dig.

 

Is interesting that the leaders of the movement seem to be in place that do not need much heat or AC. (and LaLa Land which attracts everything weird - OTOH Santa Monica is the only place I ever lived (long TDY) that needed neither).

[Digger914]

2040 is still over twenty years away and a lot can change in twenty years. Should a major improvement in safe hydrogen storage happen before the fast charge battery comes along, all the existing internal combustion engines would be converted to run on hydrogen and the battery powered electric car could once again become passing fad of the past. 

 

What was old becomes new and what was new becomes old as technology comes and goes and comes back again. Before the REA ran power lines into the country, Grandpa had a windmill that turned a generator, that charged a battery to run the radio and a few lights at night. New again for the 21st century, wind generators and what used to be the farm a few miles down the road from Grandpas old farm is covered with them.

 

[R Walling]

 Re; heavy trucks.

 

 There was a push on non polluting trucks a few years ago. Now many trucking companies rebuild older trucks instead of buying new ones.

 

 The older ones re getting more valuable all the time.

[padgett]

Digger: that was a Delco-Light unit plus a Wincharger (no D) or equivalent. Over a million in service before FDR's REA thanks to Boss Kettering. Was a whole line of 32v home systems including special farm radios.

 

Today my camper is equipped for at least a week of dry camping including AC but little besides the solar panels did not exist when the Delco-Light system was introduced 101 years ago.

Edited July 31, 2017 by padgett (see edit history)