Guest Ramblur Posted July 26, 2017 Posted July 26, 2017 Another pic from a hometown friend of her grandfather's 1912 wedding. Any ideas on this car?
keiser31 Posted July 26, 2017 Posted July 26, 2017 (edited) 22 minutes ago, Layden B said: I am going to say 1915 Auburn Not if it's a photo from 1912. 1915 Auburns had a flat windshield where it meets the cowl. Edited July 26, 2017 by keiser31 (see edit history)
nzcarnerd Posted July 26, 2017 Posted July 26, 2017 (edited) The car looks to be later than 1912 - torpedo body etc - more like 1914 or 1915. I don't think it is an Auburn as it has the wrong number of hub bolts, and, as Keiser said the windshield is the wrong shape.. Edited July 27, 2017 by nzcarnerd (see edit history)
nzcarnerd Posted July 27, 2017 Posted July 27, 2017 Just bringing this back to the top as I have edited my previous post.
Carsnz123 Posted July 27, 2017 Posted July 27, 2017 (edited) Buick? Edited July 27, 2017 by Carsnz123 (see edit history)
Guest Ramblur Posted July 27, 2017 Posted July 27, 2017 She is pretty stuck on 1912 timeline wedding photo but 105 years later who knows? The Buicks I've looked at seemed to have flat windshield bottoms though. Is it odd that there are no cowl lamps or attachment points seen?
dictator27 Posted July 27, 2017 Posted July 27, 2017 The radiator emblem is round, Buick emblem is square. Buick moved steering wheel to left side in 1914, also first year for electric lights. Subject car appears to have gas lights.
gwells Posted July 27, 2017 Posted July 27, 2017 Is it known where this picture was taken? Sometimes the geographic location can be a bit of a clue.
1909schacht Posted July 28, 2017 Posted July 28, 2017 The 1914 - 1915 K-I-R-T car has the same pattern hood relief on the top section
Casper Friederich Posted July 28, 2017 Posted July 28, 2017 58 minutes ago, 1909schacht said: The 1914 - 1915 K-I-R-T car has the same pattern hood relief on the top section Same problem with KRIT as with Auburn, windshield straight at bortom where meeting the cowl
nzcarnerd Posted July 28, 2017 Posted July 28, 2017 On the mystery car note the distinctive little 'kick out' at the bottom of the cowl where the hood meets it. Also the hood latch with a ring on it. The headlights are not a common type but are the same as the Auburn though.
gwells Posted July 28, 2017 Posted July 28, 2017 I did notice the cowl bottom kick-out as well. And yes, those are unusual headlamps. I played around with the image in one of my photo-editing apps and can see that the hood side panel has the same rounded-corner beading more easily seen on the top of the hood. No louvers/vents on the hood side as far as I can see. The rounded-corner rectangular rear window in the top seems to eliminate a number of cars I have looked at. Enough distinctive features that we ought to be able to ID this one, but I can't come up with anything so far. Like others, I would surprised if this car is as early as 1912; a few years later I'm betting.
Guest Ramblur Posted July 28, 2017 Posted July 28, 2017 I just heard back from her. Her grandfather, J. C. Wimer was a garage owner/mfg./dealer in New Castle, PA stepping up from carriages and buggies to automobiles around 1903 and then buying the New Castle Auto Co. in 1911 with a couple partners.(see news clipping) She is going to scan more of his early automotive related pics for me and I will share them here. Think you'll enjoy this pic of his wrecker in action too. She said he is standing in the lower part. Now, what got this all started is she and I grew up in Columbiana, OH (about 40 miles from New Castle, PA) which is Harvey Firestone's hometown and somebody is producing a documentary on Firestone. This got her to dig through the family albums for a pic of her grandfather with Firestone and Ford sitting in a car we have tentatively ID'd (with help from here) as a 1910 Oldsmobile Special. I am resharing the Oldsmobile pic here too. She also shared that in the early years her grandfather would take a couple of men with him to the factories to bring new cars home for sale.
Brass is Best Posted July 28, 2017 Posted July 28, 2017 1914 Apperson Jack-Rabbit. You can see the rabbit on the radiator.
Fleek Posted July 28, 2017 Posted July 28, 2017 The Apperson is close, but the radiator shell is not squared off like the pic. in question in my opinion. I did find one Apperson with a squared radiator, but it did not have the rounded windshield.
rcr Posted July 29, 2017 Posted July 29, 2017 First thing I saw wuz Da Wabbit 1914 Apperson Jackrabbit.
Brass is Best Posted July 29, 2017 Posted July 29, 2017 You probably wouldn't want to park an Apperson Jackrabbit next to a Stutz Bearcat... Might not be safe for da wabbit. 1
gwells Posted July 29, 2017 Posted July 29, 2017 Andrew, I believe you have nailed it, although with so little info available am thinking the year is not so certain. I also cannot find a truly similar car via search but the few later Appersons I can find pics of do have the distinctive curve at the windshield cowl interface and the radiator and emblems that RCR posted are just right.
nzcarnerd Posted July 29, 2017 Posted July 29, 2017 If it is an Apperson it is 1914 - no doubt as they had a different look for 1915.
gwells Posted July 29, 2017 Posted July 29, 2017 NZ, could it not be a 1913 car? I simply couldn't find enough photos to answer the question... And your opinion means a lot ot me: do you feel this isn't an Apperson?
nzcarnerd Posted July 30, 2017 Posted July 30, 2017 (edited) 4 hours ago, gwells said: NZ, could it not be a 1913 car? I simply couldn't find enough photos to answer the question... And your opinion means a lot ot me: do you feel this isn't an Apperson? From what I can work out the 1913 Apperson had a flat fronted cowl with lights set into it and the 1915 models had a vee front radiator. According to The Standard Catalog Apperson made four different models in 1914; the 4-45 four cylinder in two different wheelbases, 116 and 120", and two different, much bigger, six cylinder models. This could be either of the fours. From the few pictures available it would seem their styling evolved through the year - I have seen nothing which shows the kick out at the bottom of the cowl.. There is an ad here which mentions both a 'Light 4-45' and a regular model. I have a copy of Floyd Clymer's Catalog of 1914 cars. The 120" wheelbase four cylinder model 4-45 pictured in there looks much the same as our mystery car except that it has ten spoke front wheels. The picture I have added is the same one used in all of the ads. The engine is 4.5" bore x 5" stroke which gives 318 cubic inches. Quite a decent sized car - just a bit bigger all over than, say, a contemporary Dodge. There is just one thing missing on our mystery car and that is the windshield 'struts' pictured in the ad. Edited July 30, 2017 by nzcarnerd (see edit history)
gwells Posted July 30, 2017 Posted July 30, 2017 Wonder if it some sort of transition car between 1914 and 1915. Just not a lot of readily available material for me to know... One other point: ad artwork is notoriously unreliable, due to lead times as well as being , well, art. Where's the DPL when you need 'em? LOL... And it's at times like this I miss Austy and Bev a lot...
Guest Ramblur Posted July 30, 2017 Posted July 30, 2017 I have to believe we're looking at an Apperson too. The grand daughter is stuck on the May 1912 wedding but I'm thinking sometime after, likely 13-15. I really appreciate all the sleuthing here as I don't think I'd have ever got this close to a definitive ID. Here are a couple more pics she has shared of his place in New Castle,PA. Thank you all !!!
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