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What is the consensus on the increased value of a 63 or 64 Riviera with cast covers vs. the other covers that were available in 63 or 64.  No comments on Formula Five wheels (rally wheels) because they were not an option in those years.  

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Not sure if it's a value or preference thing.  I have sets of all 3 caps available in 64, the Bolt ones newly refurbed. The bolt on's are rarer though I could see where someone might prefer the spokes.

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On ‎8‎/‎2‎/‎2019 at 9:56 AM, RivNut said:

What is the consensus on the increased value of a 63 or 64 Riviera with cast covers vs. the other covers that were available in 63 or 64.  No comments on Formula Five wheels (rally wheels) because they were not an option in those years.  

Not sure about value, probably has to do more with personal preference. When I bought my 63 it came with a very nice set of spoke covers which I liked a lot. I didn't know much about the Rivs at first, but the first time I saw a nice set of turbines I fell hard. Not only was the appearance unique but the whole idea of a bolt-on cap with separate spinners was so far out I had to have them. My wheels had the mounting holes (Did ALL 63s and 64s come with those wheels?) so I started looking. Like others I bought a couple of crummy sets thinking I would restore them but I was not as industrious as some (Turbinator!) I lucked into a full NOS set on Ebay but never had the guts to put them on the car. In the end I found a restored set of 64 caps and they were on the car when I sold it. I also sold my original wires and that NOS 63 set, hopefully someone on here is using them now!

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On 8/2/2019 at 10:56 AM, RivNut said:

the increased value of a 63 or 64 Riviera with cast covers vs. the other covers that were available in 63 or 64.

 

Not a consensus, just one opinion, but I have a general rule that whatever an owner spends on his car, he will get about 25% out of that in added valve. That has been pretty consistent over the past 50 years.

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as I remember the wires were more expensive than the turbines, so my Dad got the turbines instead

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I'm a big fan of the turbines!  The 64's look better with the black paint between the vanes IMO.  And yes, all the standard wheels for the 63-64 Riviera's had the slots for the turbines even if the car was not fitted with the option.

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I tbink that all Buick wheels from full sized models came with wheels that will accommodate the turbine wheel cover.  I've removed clips to hold poverty caps from these wheels.  I think that the turbine was designed to fit existing Buick wheels.  Remember 5.5" and 6" wheels require different length studs on the back of the turbine.  5.5" wheels came on cars originally equipped with 7.10 x 15 tires.  6" wheels came on cars equipped with the optional "oversized" 7.60 x 15 tires.

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On 10/16/2017 at 5:43 PM, PWB said:

I felt that pain. I spent over $1200. for my NOS set. Still in boxes.

The jump cost from "driver" to "Mint" goes exponentially.

Yet nothing like the satisfaction of resurrecting an original, huh?

Good stuff

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On 8/5/2019 at 9:48 AM, dr914 said:

as I remember the wires were more expensive than the turbines, so my Dad got the turbines instead

From the files of the ROA's website.  You also have to remember that the prices shown are what you paid over and above the cost of the standard wheel cover.  If someone has a parts book, perhaps they could look up what the replacement cost would have been.

 

M-7 Wire Wheel Covers 23.65
     
M-9 Cast Aluminum Wheel Covers 66.55
     
   
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On 4/29/2018 at 1:02 PM, TexRiv_63 said:

I had a set of 63 NOS caps years ago. While the raised areas were polished from the factory they were not ultra shiny and still had slight "texture" here and there. Most restored ones seem to be over polished, but yours look great Mike.

TexRiv_63, 

How does this emblem look to you?

Turbinator

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On 8/6/2019 at 9:00 AM, Pat Curran said:

I'm a big fan of the turbines!  The 64's look better with the black paint between the vanes IMO.  And yes, all the standard wheels for the 63-64 Riviera's had the slots for the turbines even if the car was not fitted with the option.

Pat, I’ve learned how to powder coat the cast aluminum turbine webs and vanes. I believe the powder coat is superior to paint, especially the rattle can paint, the powder coat is strong on durability. Maintaining the powder coat I believe is easier than paint. 

Turvinator. Attached is a powder coat finish.

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These are not NOS and have been restored. You can get two more from me complete. 

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On 8/4/2019 at 3:15 PM, 60FlatTop said:

 

Not a consensus, just one opinion, but I have a general rule that whatever an owner spends on his car, he will get about 25% out of that in added valve. That has been pretty consistent over the past 50 years.

Bernie, have you collected and saved the hard data? The older we get the better we were. You have much more experience in autos than I have. Collecting data and using analytic tools to make a determination is tricky business. Now, politicians and salesman are quick with facts and figures. Statisticians, at least the honest ones, are slow to make statements without doing their homework.

You get an A for beginning with ...” just an opinion.”

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2 hours ago, Turbinator said:

Bernie, have you collected and saved the hard data? The older we get, the better we were. 

Turbinator

So true.  I went to college on a track scholarship. I know that's hard for you guys who are aware of my girth to believe that but I  was a sprinter.  I went to a big track meet a couple of years ago and saw THE T-shirt that I should have been wearing.  Some guy about my size and age was wearing it.  On the back was this: "The older I get, the faster I ran." So true.  If you ran  9.8 hundred yard dash in the day; by the time you're 30, you remember running it in 9.7.   At 50, you remember it as 9.6.  And so it goes.

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4 hours ago, RivNut said:

So true.  I went to college on a track scholarship. I know that's hard for you guys who are aware of my girth to believe that but I  was a sprinter.  I went to a big track meet a couple of years ago and saw THE T-shirt that I should have been wearing.  Some guy about my size and age was wearing it.  On the back was this: "The older I get, the faster I ran." So true.  If you ran  9.8 hundred yard dash in the day; by the time you're 30, you remember running it in 9.7.   At 50, you remember it as 9.6.  And so it goes.

Ed, before know it you are 3 tenths faster than the world record.

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On 8/4/2019 at 10:39 AM, Chasander said:

Shiny spokes sure dress up a Riviera  

No doubt shiny spikes look great. Having the turbines is like having an extra pair of “ shoes” for your ride. The turbines go on easy enough. It is a matter of taste and there is no arguing when it comes to personal taste.

Turbinator

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12 hours ago, Turbinator said:

Bernie, have you collected and saved the hard data?

 

Yep, some hard, mostly folding. That data is what I fund my old car hobby with.

 

To Ed's question of additional value, it is not an immediate appraisal value. It is at the time of sale. When a buyer asks for a lower price the seller can say "Sure, I will keep the turbine wheel covers and let you have $2,000 off. I have a set on standard caps to put on." That's when you get the value.  Over the years I have done that with many accessories and new parts, even tires and batteries.

 

I made that a policy of mine at a memorable point about 35 years ago. In the intervening time I have found the buyer wants the car in tact more than a reduced price.

Bernie

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6 hours ago, Turbinator said:

Ed, before know it you are 3 tenths faster than the world record.

Turbinator

If all of us live to be 100, we'll be across the finish line before the starter's gun even goes off.  Running at Mach 1.

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On 8/7/2019 at 6:47 PM, Turbinator said:

I’ve learned how to powder coat the cast aluminum turbine webs and vanes.

 

Good day.

 

First off, you do an amazing job on restoring these covers, well done. And for what it's worth, my preference is indeed the look of the cast aluminium covers over the spokes. Outta curiosity, have you powder coated any in black for a '64 application? 

 

Later,

 

Mike Swick

Edmonton, AB

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On 8/10/2019 at 10:35 AM, MikeJS said:

 

Good day.

 

First off, you do an amazing job on restoring these covers, well done. And for what it's worth, my preference is indeed the look of the cast aluminium covers over the spokes. Outta curiosity, have you powder coated any in black for a '64 application? 

 

Later,

 

Mike Swick

Edmonton, AB

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Mike, I just wrote a note that evaporated. I have not powder coated any 64’s. I do have an order for a set of 64 restorations I can powder coat. Here are some recent 63’s I’ve powder coated. The new powder gun and curing oven help the jobs come out better. Cast aluminum is hard to powder coat, real hard. Touch up after touch up adds to the tedium. Fortunately, I’ve learned better touch up technique on powder coating. You just have to be c a r e f u l.

Thank you for your compliments.

Turbinator 

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On 7/2/2017 at 6:42 AM, Eric's.64.Superwildcat said:

Ah, now I understand.  Thank you Tom!  

Eric, the cast aluminum cover that bolts to the wheel is one piece. The center cap that covers the hole in the middle of the wheel is the second piece. The two bar spinner is the third piece and the emblem that goes in the two bar spinner is the fourth piece . Four hex head screws hold the spinnner/emblem on to the center cap.

if you are looking for 63 Tri shield emblems I have them brand new.

 

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