Al Brass

1913 KRIT with DISCO starter and generator

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Hi,

Is there anyone who knows about these?  I know someone working on one and he wonders what the three terminal posts are on the starter and four on the generator.  None of my books cover KRIT or ISCO but I'd like to help him.

 

Regards

Al

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Hi Larry,

Thanks for responding.  The car is a model KR and the starter and generator are made as one assembly.  The brand is ISCO and quite different to the North East product shown in your post above.  Certainly different !

 

Regards

Al 

1913 KRIT KR.jpg

ISCO_starter_generator.jpg

ISCO plate details 2.jpg

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Thank you Larry.  I notice the top diagram you posted is a "DISCO" brand.  The owner told me it was "ISCO" but it is obvious to me now that the "D" forms the border and DISCO it is.

 

Regards

Al 

ISCO plate.jpg

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That plate does say DISCO...  the last 4 letters are inside the "D".

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Al,

 

I looked and the only other wiring diagrams that I have are Delco. 

 

Based on your picture I would look at the second picture and see if the terminals might match up to what you have even though you have a single unit I would not be surprised if you can make it work on that wiring schematic.

 

 

Larry

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The 1915 wiring diagram may be close to correct.  Delco starter/generators have two sets of brushes; one set for starting and the other for generating. I would expect the start pedal might engage and disengage the two sets of brushes in the upper housing while the bottom housing may be an integral distributor with four contacts for the spark plugs.  There appears to be a removable band around the bottom housing that may provide access to points??

Just guessing....

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Hi guys,

Mark, the brand I am looking for a diagram on is Disco, not Delco.  Thanks anyway.

 

Larry, looking at the photo of the Disco unit, it has less connections and is a single unit, whereas the '15 system appears to be a two unit style.  If that is all we can find, we may have to see if it offers any help.  It is similar and it is not hard to believe it is made by the same company.

 

Regards and thanks

Al

  

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Al,

     Yes, I know.  My 1913 Buick has a Disco acetylene starter.  My point is to see if it is similar to the Delco with two sets of brushes.  Since the electric starting technology available a that time would be the same, the designs of the two companies might be similar.

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It looks to me like the unit you show is actually an early type of motor-generator consisting of generator below and motor above (Fig. 1 in Instruction 34, Dyke's 1929). It uses "separate armatures and two separate fields, termed a "double decker" ".

 

"The two armatures are connected together with a system of gearing and an over-running clutch... The motor armature and the gearing are in operation only when the starting switch is pressed."

 

Does this sound like it? Unfortunately there is little information about it. They discuss at length the North East system on the Dodge.

 

There may be more here https://archive.org/stream/wellsautoelectri00well/wellsautoelectri00well_djvu.txt

but it is character recognition scanning and not much use. Google may have scanned it? Another is

https://archive.org/stream/automotivewiring00wellrich/automotivewiring00wellrich_djvu.txt

similarly scanned with poor OCR.

 

The DISCO 12 V starting and lighting system is mentioned in connection with a few makes in http://www.earlyamericanautomobiles.com/americanautomobiles13a.htm

 

How about this, from the last ref. above?

DISCO-advertisment.PNG.c1e676a067b2aaf6e5ff8b3d0cef7752.PNG

 

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It sounds as if that is the exact unit, as shown in my pics back further here.  I think it is going to need nutting out as information is scarce.  Thanks for your help.

 

Al

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I wonder if the AACA library would have an early copy of Dyke's, hopefully with a bit more information on the early "double decker" DISCO motor-generator?

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I have found a listing on it in an old Automobile Engineering book.  It says it is a single unit 12V system but that is about all.  No wiring diagram.

 

Al

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Al,

 

Contact the Detroit Public Library/ Automotive Historical Collection at   http://www.detroitpubliclibrary.org/branch/national-automotive-history-collection

 

Since Disco was made in Detroit they might have some information on the unit.  If they can not help you long distance I can try to go downtown some day and see if I can find something for you.    Go to the Research & Resources page and make a request. Go here:  http://www.detroitpubliclibrary.org/research-resources

 

Let me know how you make out and if you need me to go downtown and get something.

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Hi Larry,

Sorry for the delay in getting back to you all.  A recent death in our family caused a road trip south and I am in the process of catching up now.  I will pass your information on the the Krit owner and he can do some research.

 

Regards and thanks

Al 

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