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3 hours ago, Chasander said:

I worked at the Buick Plant in Flint from 1964 thru 1999. A common questions a foreman would ask an employee was "Why do you only work four days a week?"

His answer would be "I can't make it on Three"

Read this book and you'll wonder how anything came out right:

 

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3 hours ago, PWB said:

EmTee,

 

Got a pic' your passenger side lower front fender alignment?

Thanks

 

OK, here's how she looks...

1. Driver's side front fender/door:

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2. LR Quarter/Trunk Lid:

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3. Passenger's side front fender/door:

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4. RR Quarter/Trunk Lid:

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Comments?  Others care to submit pics of their car?  -Tim

 

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Say, RoadShark - what color is your car?  Is it silver, or is your tail light surround painted silver like they did in '66?  P.S. I'm chuckling inside while reading your post because I'm afraid of the same 'while I'm in there' creep occurring as I try to get Goldie ready for Saratoga!  I'm really going to try to restrain myself...  :huh:

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Nice collection of photos here!  On a related subject, I notice that on my car after closing the hood the passenger's side rear corner sits high in relation to the fender and cowl.  I have to walk over and give it a push to get it to settle down.  Is the hinge height adjustable where the hinge flange attaches to the fender?

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EmTee - Your hood hinge question don't want to get too off topic but first lubricate ALL pivot points liberally on hinges. Work it in by moving hood up and down15 or 20 times. Numerous options but I use 90wt gear lube in a squirter. If still no good try shimming under the "FRONT" hinge at bolt location (between hinge and hood). If that doesn't do it remove the hinge and elongate the rear bolt hole so the hinge can be lowered at rear.

 

Now back to anomalies topic: Looking at pic Chimera posted of gas tank. Almost all 66-67 tanks get dented at rear because they stick down below the bumper. I've never owned one that wasn't dented nor could I ever find a used dent free tank.

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1 hour ago, JZRIV said:

EmTee - Your hood hinge question don't want to get too off topic but first lubricate ALL pivot points liberally on hinges. Work it in by moving hood up and down15 or 20 times. Numerous options but I use 90wt gear lube in a squirter. If still no good try shimming under the "FRONT" hinge at bolt location (between hinge and hood). If that doesn't do it remove the hinge and elongate the rear bolt hole so the hinge can be lowered at rear.

 

Now back to anomalies topic: Looking at pic Chimera posted of gas tank. Almost all 66-67 tanks get dented at rear because they stick down below the bumper. I've never owned one that wasn't dented nor could I ever find a used dent free tank.

You made me investigate her underwear. Think I'm darn lucky. And this car was from the streets of San Francisco. Woooweee

 

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On ‎1‎/‎9‎/‎2017 at 9:21 AM, JZRIV said:

EmTee - Your hood hinge question don't want to get too off topic but first lubricate ALL pivot points liberally on hinges. Work it in by moving hood up and down15 or 20 times. Numerous options but I use 90wt gear lube in a squirter. If still no good try shimming under the "FRONT" hinge at bolt location (between hinge and hood). If that doesn't do it remove the hinge and elongate the rear bolt hole so the hinge can be lowered at rear.

 

Now back to anomalies topic: Looking at pic Chimera posted of gas tank. Almost all 66-67 tanks get dented at rear because they stick down below the bumper. I've never owned one that wasn't dented nor could I ever find a used dent free tank.

You made me investigate her underwear. Think I'm darn lucky. And this car was from the crazy streets of San Francisco. Woooweee

 

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I recently took a couple of pieces of molding from a '65 front fender before selling it.  There was no way to see if the moldings on the fender aligned with the door, but I did notice that the moldings in front of the wheel arch were held on with different kinds of clips than was the molding behind the wheel arch.  If the original clips are replaced on only some moldings, they might not let the molding sit in the same place as the original clips did.  Probably lots of clips are broken or lost during a repaint.  One spring clip on the front molding piece was even installed 90 degrees off from the other one. That could cause an alignment problem as well - especially if there are only two clips per molding involved.  Just a thought.

 

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Thanks Jason - I did oil all of the hinge pins a while ago and the action did improve a lot.  I'll look at the other tips next time I'm out there.  Oh, and I'm gonna hafta check my gas tank too!  ;)

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MT,

 

There was a recent post somewhere in one of the Buick forums that had a link in it that took you too a site where the guy explained which bolts to loosen, where to shim, and where to put pressure to align hood corners with fenders.  A body manual for any given year usually has hood, fender, and panel alignment guides in it as well.

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14 minutes ago, EmTee said:

Thanks Jason - I did oil all of the hinge pins a while ago and the action did improve a lot.  I'll look at the other tips next time I'm out there.  Oh, and I'm gonna hafta check my gas tank too!  ;)

I had the same issue. I used white lithium to fix. I think it sticks around longer.

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9 hours ago, PWB said:

OK, has anyone seen a consolette or "shorty" in a 2'nd Gen like this?

Yup, this was a '66 I looked at before I found Goldie.  This is the only one I've seen in person.

 

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31 minutes ago, EmTee said:

Yup, this was a '66 I looked at before I found Goldie.  This is the only one I've seen in person.

 

 

Wow, the configurations are endless. Not sure which I like more - Strato Bench or the Shorty for storage ... the buckets don't really "hug" one's self like more modern

"buckets".

 

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This is a fascinating topic. I'm particularly entertained by the oddball cases where laziness or necessity on the production line created some real one off cars. That said, the biggest shocker to me is the overall improvement of paint quality since the 60's. The advances in the technology of the actual paint and it's application is incredible. New cars in the 60's often looked pretty crappy. I know, my parents bought a lot of them. Dealers would boldly sell a new car with really shoddy paint work or fix squawks in a shoddy way. The high end paint work we see in magazine and show cars today is miles ahead of what those cars looked like when new. PRL

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19 minutes ago, RivNut said:

From what I can see in the posted pictures, the car with the full fan shroud is an air conditioned car whereas the one with the fan shield is not.  

Ahh - you're right!

Now I see AC radiators are wider (Fender to fender)?

 

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I think everything is factory. The radiators are the same width fender to fender. If not, they would require different header panels. That would require different grills head light mounting brackets, etc. That ain't gonna happen.  If anything, the air conditioned car would have a thicker radiator, front to back.  The shield on the non air conditioned car is a protective device to keep stuff (fingers etc.) out of the fan.  The shroud surrounding the fan on the air conditioned car is necessary so that the fan can pull air through the condenser AND the radiator as well as protect your fingers. I'm betting that more pictures of each would show the same.

 

Ed

 

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Here's the same '66 I pictured above with the buckets and consolette.  Note the vinyl on this original factory top covers the A-pillars.

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I did not know late 66 vinyl tops had A-pillars covered. Wonder when that started. I imagine factory 66 jobs like in 67 would have the glued/welded seam splice at top of A-pillar.

EmTee you don't happen to have the VIN from that car do you?

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12 hours ago, JZRIV said:

EmTee you don't happen to have the VIN from that car do you?

Sorry Jason, I looked at the photos that I have of the car and one with the VIN tag is not close enough to read any numbers.

...But Doug Seybold had the car and you could check with him to see whether he still has a record of the car's VIN.

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Not much shout outs from 1st, 3rd - on generations. :mellow:

 

Perhaps 2nd gen was the wackiest? 

 

All them new hippies on the plant line

                           :P

Peace

 

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On ‎1‎/‎10‎/‎2017 at 9:12 AM, JZRIV said:

I've seen a small handful of the shorty consoles......but thats over 36 years. Pretty uncommon.

Here we have a 1967 option book depicting a shorty in a Riviera.

Simply rare! These pups command high dollar. On my radar.

 

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I don't know if it would be considered and anomaly but a very interesting design on the 67 is the fiber optic cable that is used to transmit light from a bulb in the instrument panel to illuminate the wiper washer switch. The 66 switch was non-lighted. I'm not sure if it was less expensive to light this with a fiber and a special brackets on each end vs another socket and bulb? Or maybe the engineers just wanted to experiment and used it in this less critical application. Or maybe a last minute change and they did not have time to change the wiring harness.

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8 hours ago, PWB said:

Here we have a 1967 option book depicting a shorty in a Riviera.

Simply rare! These pups command high dollar. On my radar.

 

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Paul,

  Not really rare, they are around. Prices are high because the Skylark guys are shopping them. If you want one for your Riv be careful, the A body and E body versions are different. I dont have the differences committed to memory so cant elaborate but I know they are different.

  Tom

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11 minutes ago, 1965rivgs said:

Paul,

  Not really rare, they are around. Prices are high because the Skylark guys are shopping them. If you want one for your Riv be careful, the A body and E body versions are different. I dont have the differences committed to memory so cant elaborate but I know they are different.

  Tom

Whoa, I did not know they were different! I almost bought one. Jeez.

Thanks Mr. Tom. Now I need to find out what the differences are. Ugh :huh:

 

I miss the "fiber optic" tell tales on my '73 Riv. They were just awesome.

Article on FO tell tales:

 

http://jalopnik.com/these-tattle-tales-are-americas-weirdest-secret-car-pa-1238802149

 

 

 

 

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4 hours ago, JZRIV said:

I don't know if it would be considered and anomaly but a very interesting design on the 67 is the fiber optic cable that is used to transmit light from a bulb in the instrument panel to illuminate the wiper washer switch. The 66 switch was non-lighted. I'm not sure if it was less expensive to light this with a fiber and a special brackets on each end vs another socket and bulb? Or maybe the engineers just wanted to experiment and used it in this less critical application. Or maybe a last minute change and they did not have time to change the wiring harness.

Here she is by dash board light in her chrome regalia.

I think Meatloaf would be proud.

 

 

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The best use of fiber optics I found was on my '83 XXs.  There were two where the headliner met the rear window.  The fiber optic cable ran from the tail lights / brake lights.  Easy way to confirm that all the lights behind you were working properly. 

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On 1/6/2017 at 0:38 PM, Seafoam65 said:

                   The biggest problem on the passenger sides of 60's GM cars is usually the fit between

the front of the passenger door and the rear of the front fender. Over the years I have taken measurements and determined

the fender is usually at fault with incorrect curves from the factory that do not match the curves in the front of the 

passenger door. Invariably, I have found that the fit on the driver's side is usually quite nice with little to complain about. On the 69 GTO's the right front fender sticks out too much in the middle between the

right door and front fender. All of them are like that. The same flaw is found on the passenger side of the 66 and 67 GTO's. On my 65 Riviera the top 4 inches of the rear of the right front fender  sticks out too much in relation to the door. The fit on the driver's side is perfect.

Just sayin' - I now seek these out and I keep finding this issue. This is not the first since last related post. The line or fabricators had a sleeper fault here. (Disregard bumper cause it is punched in front-center)

Makes me want to rip my fender off.

 

 

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Wow - with that body side moulding installed, I don't even notice the fender/door misalignment!  Maybe that's the secret, Paul...  :wacko:

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