Guest Samk Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 This is a family picture and we're trying to date it. Our best guess is 1919-1921. Can anybody help to identify the make/model, and year of the car in the picture? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Samk Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 Is it a REO? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dictator27 Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 Steering wheel on the right side of the car indicates it is probably no later than 1913. Terry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keiser31 Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 7 hours ago, Samk said: Is it a REO? A lot of REO details. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzcarnerd Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 The car could easily be several years old. The best way to date the photo would be by the license plate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PFindlay Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 A REO would be a left hand drive. The car is likely 1910 - 1912. The flat rear fenders were pretty much gone by 1913. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
28 Chrysler Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 The Minn. plate looks like it could be the ones issued for 1915, 16, 17, (these were stamped with all 3 years) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spinneyhill Posted December 14, 2016 Share Posted December 14, 2016 It has to be either '12-'14 Black on Aluminium or '15-'17 Red on Aluminium. The next light coloured base was 1930 (silver) and those clothes are not 1930! Can you guess anything from study of the ages of people? You must know who many of them are? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzcarnerd Posted December 14, 2016 Share Posted December 14, 2016 It is a pity we can't see the skirts of the younger women. By about 1915-16 they would have been wearing them a little shorter - maybe even calf length. The older women will be wearing the same floor length skirts they have worn for many years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spinneyhill Posted December 14, 2016 Share Posted December 14, 2016 I think the car is pretty much new. It is shiny and clean. The top is clean. There appears to be no dirt on the underside of the mudguards = fenders. So based on it being RHD it is probably 1912 or 13. The spare tyre is still wrapped in something to keep it out of the sun - early tyres didn't last long. Maybe the new car is the reason for the photo opportunity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wac Posted December 15, 2016 Share Posted December 15, 2016 The six panel rear window in the top makes me think Overland and the black-and-nickel kerosene tail and side lamps are as used (by Overland) on 1913 Model 69's only. The 1913 Overland Model 69T has "question mark" rear fenders. The only other 1913 Overland model to use them was the TC (not on the models 69R, C, or F or the Model 71) . But, the 1913 Overland bodies didn't have the bead across the rear section, the 1913 Overland didn't use windshield support rods from the frame, and 1913 Overland wheels were gray with black hubs. However, the 1912 Overland Model 59 (which had brass trim - windshield, radiator, lamps, etc.) has brass windshield support rods from the frame and all gray wheels. The spare tire holders are not as used by Overland in 1912 or 1913, though rear-mounted spares (2) were standard. It may be an early production 1913 Overland Model 69T with some carry-over features from the 1912 Model 59, or it may be "customized by owner". It couldn't be a Jackson (as per the pennant) could it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lozierman Posted December 16, 2016 Share Posted December 16, 2016 Notice the pendant on the car? Jackson! Check info on a 1911 Jackson touring. Fenders and rear frame horns match. Since we are guessing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keiser31 Posted December 16, 2016 Share Posted December 16, 2016 34 minutes ago, Lozierman said: Notice the pendant on the car? Jackson! Check info on a 1911 Jackson touring. Fenders and rear frame horns match. Since we are guessing. Missed it completely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Schramm Posted December 16, 2016 Share Posted December 16, 2016 (edited) There is no date on the license plate. Maybe this will help. The wheel bolt pattern & hubcap may tell the story with the fender. Edited December 16, 2016 by Larry Schramm (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
28 Chrysler Posted December 16, 2016 Share Posted December 16, 2016 The dates on these plates were stamped on the right side and were not painted the contrasting color, so they do not show in the photo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spinneyhill Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 (edited) I saw the JACKSON pennant and thought it was a location... What was Bob Inn? The wheels on a Jackson have only 6 bolts around the middle? It does look a lot like Edited December 17, 2016 by Spinneyhill (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzcarnerd Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 The 1912 Jackson has multiple hub bolts but the circle diameter is much smaller. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brass is Best Posted December 27, 2016 Share Posted December 27, 2016 Lamps appear to be painted black and nickel finish. That became very popular about 1913. Grey rubber tires were the expensive ones until 1912 when black tires came out. Not sure what it is but I think it is a 1913-1914. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West Peterson Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 The pennant is for Jackson, Minnesota, in my opinion. That would make sense, since the license plate is from Minnesota as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E_Johnson Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 (edited) It's an Overland. Minnesota 1912-13-14 license plate pair 21766 were issued in 1912 and registered to F.D. Sawyer of Jackson for an Overland. I believe it is a 1912 Model 61. My father is a long-time collector of early Minnesota license plates and he has a 1912-13-14 MInnesota public automobile registration directory on his bookshelf so I looked up the plate. The original hand-posted Minnesota motor vehicle registration ledgers from 1909 through 1914 are housed at the Minnesota Historical Society in St. Paul. If I looked up the registration on the ledger, I could also provide the serial number of the car and pinpoint the model and model year. Sorry I was so late in providing a defininitive answers. This is the first time I've perused the pre-war photo forum. Edited January 23, 2023 by E_Johnson (see edit history) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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