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Kill switch for 63 Riviera

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Am wanting to fit an ignition kill switch to my 63 Riviera to reduce the chance of theft.

 

Would be interested to hear from others who have done this or are thinking of doing it as to which circuit would be best to tap into.

 

I gather that to start it without a key you would normally run a hot wire from battery to the coil (but not 100% sure as it has been too many years since I saw this done) and then bridge the starter motor terminals with a screw driver or similar until it starts.

 

"Then you drive it like you stole it!"

 

So need something to prevent ignition happening with or without a key, perhaps grounding a circuit or similar. Any help would be appreciated.

 

Rodney

 

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              Rodney, the best way to do it on an old car is to tie into the negative wire on the ignition coil down underneath the

distributor where the wire comes out the bottom of the distributor base where it can't be seen as an extra wire on the ignition

coil negative terminal, then run your tapped in wire through the firewall to a hidden toggle switch under the dash somewhere

that has a wire grounded to the dash as the other lead to the switch. When you trip the switch, this grounds the negative wire

to the points and the car will have no spark. The beauty of this setup is that the thief can't use a jumper wire to start the car.......he will have to be smart enough to find the extra wire and cut it......not very likely 

if you tap in under the distributor.

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Winston,

i like this idea.

 

OK so what happens if I forget the switch is on,

 

would the grounding of the hot wire from the coil be enough to cause a fire or melt down of the wiring or ruin the switch?

 

Or cause any other issues with the ignition system.

 

If not it is certainly doable, as the distributor and coil are out at the moment.

 

 

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17 hours ago, rodneybeauchamp said:

Winston,

i like this idea.

 

OK so what happens if I forget the switch is on,

 

would the grounding of the hot wire from the coil be enough to cause a fire or melt down of the wiring or ruin the switch?

 

Or cause any other issues with the ignition system.

 

If not it is certainly doable, as the distributor and coil are out at the moment.

 

 

Rodney, it doesn't hurt anything if you forget to flip it....it just  won't make any spark with the negative side of the coil grounded all the time.

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Winston,

thank you for the reassurance. 

 

So the only way to "hot wire" the ignition with kill switch on would be to cut the kill switch wire.

 

And as you mention if it feeds from the distributor so it would look OEM and quite the part. And unless you know how a Riviera is supposed to look under the hood, it would not stick out like a sore thumb except to "those in the know".

 

I think what will really put off wannabe joy riders is that that won't be able to find the bonnet release under the dash board. Most of our cars in Australia were fitted with release cables. And they will think the steering wheel is missing ( Tis on the other side)

 

well we we can only hope!

 

will keep you posted.

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Winston, 

looked at the distributor last night and there is a second hole through the body that a wire can easily pass through, so should be an easy peasy modification that would look very factory. The hole is near where the vacuum advance connect to the breaker plate.

When done will post a photo.

 

cheers

Rodney

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I use an battery cut-off switch that attaches to the neg.batt.pole. It has a knurled knob which you unscrew one turn to interrupt the current. When leaving the car in a "shady" area, you can remove the knob and the car is disabled. A smart thief may spot it, but in the dark and in the heat of the moment it appears as a regular battery terminal. Also very handy when working on the car, as it provides you with an emergency cut-off, and I can disable the courtesy lights with a twist of the knob. When in doubt, I back it up with "The Club". Both are non-invasive, old-school and low-budget, which I love! Look for battery cut-off switch on Ebay, starting around $1.50.   RIVNIK

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  Rodney.......... I would recommend using a black wire.......a lot less noticeable and harder to spot.           

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Winston,

my thoughts entirely, reasonable gauge black wire with terminal to points that feeds to kill switch under dashboard. Should be able to tape it into another loom that heads in through the firewall to look OEM. Will post some pics when done, thanks for your suggestions.

cheers

Rodney

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On 12/9/2016 at 4:35 PM, rodneybeauchamp said:

Winston,

thank you for the reassurance. 

 

So the only way to "hot wire" the ignition with kill switch on would be to cut the kill switch wire.

 

And as you mention if it feeds from the distributor so it would look OEM and quite the part. And unless you know how a Riviera is supposed to look under the hood, it would not stick out like a sore thumb except to "those in the know".

 

I think what will really put off wannabe joy riders is that that won't be able to find the bonnet release under the dash board. Most of our cars in Australia were fitted with release cables. And they will think the steering wheel is missing ( Tis on the other side)

 

well we we can only hope!

 

will keep you posted.

Gents, here is a pic of a kill switch that does not require any holes drilled in the automobile. I used original screws to ground and mount the switch holder on the steering mast. Mr. Seafoam provided instructions on the "how to" to make the kill switch function as intended.

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No need around here. The watchful eye of the Law would spot unauthorized use of a Riviera in a minute.

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On 4/11/2018 at 9:09 AM, 60FlatTop said:

No need around here. The watchful eye of the Law would spot unauthorized use of a Riviera in a minute.

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Seems to me The Constabulary would be seated in a warm police car?

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You could always put a small push button switch in the bottom of your lighter socket.  Activate it by pushing in the lighter.  Push it in again to deactivate.  Just hope that one of your smoking friends doesn't try to fire one up while you're toodling down the road.  ;) 

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3 hours ago, KongaMan said:

You could always put a small push button switch in the bottom of your lighter socket.  Activate it by pushing in the lighter.  Push it in again to deactivate.  Just hope that one of your smoking friends doesn't try to fire one up while you're toodling down the road.  ;) 

Mr. Kongaman, Nosmo King dare not light up in my Red Riviera.

Your clever idea to use a push button kill switch connected via the cigarette lighter is top level designer thinking. The credit for the kill switch solution goes to Mr. Seafoam. Mr. Seafoam said to connect a wire to the negative side of the coil to a double lead switch. The other lead on the switch goes to ground disabling the points. Why that works I do not know. I can understood the difference between white and pink noise in audio easier than auto electric. Go figure.

RRB

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Those are actually Neguanee cops. They think it's Spring.

 

28 degrees this morning, took the truck up to town for coffee because the cab is smaller to heat; dropped the keys in the cup holder while I was inside.

Bernie

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On 4/11/2018 at 6:57 AM, Red Riviera Bob said:

Alright, I’ll find a better place to hide the switch

 

how about here?

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When I park my car in an area or situation where theft is highly unlikely I pull the keys from the ignition and place them in the ashtray and close it. Hate to say it, but if I was looking for the keys to a car, like unearthing a barn find, etc, the first thing I would do is open the ashtray and look there. The second place I would  look is behind  the sun visors...

The kill switch performs the same function as the ignition points. The points ground the primary circuit in the coil. When the points open they break the primary circuit which produces spark from the secondary side. If you never break the primary circuit, as when the points remain closed or a kill switch grounds the circuit, a spark from the secondary circuit will not occur.

Tom

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On 4/17/2018 at 12:35 PM, 1965rivgs said:

When I park my car in an area or situation where theft is highly unlikely I pull the keys from the ignition and place them in the ashtray and close it. Hate to say it, but if I was looking for the keys to a car, like unearthing a barn find, etc, the first thing I would do is open the ashtray and look there. The second place I would  look is behind  the sun visors...

The kill switch performs the same function as the ignition points. The points ground the primary circuit in the coil. When the points open they break the primary circuit which produces spark from the secondary side. If you never break the primary circuit, as when the points remain closed or a kill switch grounds the circuit, a spark from the secondary circuit will not occur.

Tom

Tom, I’m with you on checking for the keys, under the floor mat, under front seat, visor, and ash tray. My arms are not long enough to reach under the dash while seated in the driver’s seat. I could fill the ashtray with coins to cover the toggle and leave a key on top the coins? 

Some of the gents wrote about using a cigarette lighter and power antenna switch for the kill switch. I’d need a tutorial on ‘how to” for the antenna or cigarette lighter kill switch. For now, I’m going to take my chances with “ the club” and the kill switch in hopes those two are enough to change a thief’s mind for a chance score. I appreciate your explanation how the kill switch works or doesn’t work with primary circuits and secondary circuits. Without me having a solid understanding of auto electric, or electric and circuits in general I have no knowledge of how it works. I can replace parts and wires, but understanding how they operate is an going lesson. I know if you have an open circuit what happens, but how the points, ignition, distributor, cap, rotor, shaft, dwell, timing, spark work together is a lesson I’ve yet to learn. The local community college has auto tech courses I could take from the basics forward. It would not hurt for me to invest the time in classes, or at least a book on basic auto electric,  and start from scratch.

RRB

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On 4/17/2018 at 9:17 AM, 60FlatTop said:

Those are actually Neguanee cops. They think it's Spring.

 

28 degrees this morning, took the truck up to town for coffee because the cab is smaller to heat; dropped the keys in the cup holder while I was inside.

Bernie

Bernie, I’m surprised you turned on the heat. It is April!

Red Riviera Bob

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I am guilty of leaving the ingnition unlocked so you don't need a key. The keys I had were not cut right and didn't work well. I took the glove box lock out to get the numbers and had new keys made.

 

 

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2 hours ago, Red Riviera Bob said:

It is April!

 

Almost May, looks like 34 will be the peak today.

 

Mix of rain and snow now that it is warmer.

 

Spring? Fascinating.

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On 4/17/2018 at 9:17 AM, 60FlatTop said:

Those are actually Neguanee cops. They think it's Spring.

 

28 degrees this morning, took the truck up to town for coffee because the cab is smaller to heat; dropped the keys in the cup holder while I was inside.

Bernie

Bernie, I know it is great living upstate NewYork with all the fresh air and cool weather 9 months of the year. The only thing better than in Maryland are home made crab cakes with Old Bay seasoning.

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On 4/18/2018 at 4:47 PM, kegart said:

I am guilty of leaving the ingnition unlocked so you don't need a key. The keys I had were not cut right and didn't work well. I took the glove box lock out to get the numbers and had new keys made.

 

 

Sir, the kill switch in the ashtray is not the best place to hide. I’ve been told a person looking for keys will try try ashtray. Well, I’ve filled the ash tray with silver coin to cover the switch and lay a spare key on top the coins. All the while the kill switch is activated. It could work.

Red Riviera Bob

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I've been weighing my options for a kill switch but in the mean time I've always just opened the hood and taken the coil wire out. Ain't going anywhere without it, at least I can hope 

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