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How to get to the hvac control panel bulbs?

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First of all let me apologize for asking such an elementary question, but I couldn't find the result in a search and after my last move my manuals are still boxed up among dozens of boxes.

 

I replaced all my dash bulbs tonight, but can't figure out how to get to the bulbs in the hvac panel. Would appreciate any help please!

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Is this on your '64?  IIRC, you have to pull the HVAC controls. 

 

Just out of curiosity, what bulbs did you put in your dash?

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1 hour ago, KongaMan said:

Is this on your '64?  IIRC, you have to pull the HVAC controls. 

 

Just out of curiosity, what bulbs did you put in your dash?

Yes sir, it's for the '64.

 

Replaced the dash lights with 194 bulbs and they are beautiful, and the shift indicator with 1816 (followed Jim Cannon's post). I just have the clock to go tomorrow, and the hvac bulbs.

 

How do I remove the hvac controls? Asking before trying since I'm very careful with this car because it's too mint and original, and I tend to be heavy handed :(

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First, get a hammer... ;)

 

Pull the console cover/ashtray.  It may also be easier/necessary to remove the center AC vent.  IIRC, there are a couple of screws in the ashtray compartment.  Take them out, and pull out the ashtray itself. The whole thing will pull up from the bottom.  It doesn't pull straight out; it kind of pivots, then when the bottom is clear you can pull it down and away.  At this point, you have the cover off.  It's probably still got wires attached for the lighter and ashtray light, so don't pull it too far up.  The AC controls screw into 4 tabs on the inside of the console.  Remove those screws and you can move the controls around.  Again, the controls have all kinds of hoses attached, so be careful you don't accidentally pull one off.  And be careful of those tabs; they've been known to break.

 

Good call on the lamp upgrade.  I did that 10 years ago.  I give it a thumbs up.  I even tried to get goofy by trying both blue and amber 194s in the dash.  I thought at least one of them would be cool.  It wasn't.

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Thank you very very much! Now I can't wait to get on it tomorrow!

Doing any repairs or upgrades on this car make me so happy. Thanks again!!!

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That's what I did few weeks ago... I changed every single bulb of my 65 interior with warm white LEDs, looks great and I couldn't imagine that it would give that nice atmosphere in the car! 

First I tried normal white, wich was defenetly a too cold light (brrr, like in a ice cave ??). But now with these special ones its just perfect.

Ed gave me the cool hint to change the bulbs behind the colored areas of the dashboard with LEDs in the same color... radiance became fantastic!l

Only inconvenient to me is that the dimmer is not smooth infinitely variable any more, but I don't care, light was always on maximum aniway, so...?? I guess, with the right swich, you could dimm in 3-4 steps.

Have fun with your new bulbs! ???

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After reading Shmiddy's post about the LEDs I ran out and tried a few LEDs I had laying around on the Rivi. WOW! I loved it, loved the brightness, so I just sent an email to my lighting guy asking for everything. I also mentioned dimmable, but not sure if that's a possibility. Should get all the parts within a week!

 

The ones I asked for are 194 wedge bulbs for the two major buckets (total of 6), 1816 for the HVAC, clock and gear indicator (total of 6), and BA9S for the radio. Please cross-check the part numbers though as I've been known to err here and there :)

 

Not bothering to swap the idiot lights as they don't need LEDs in there.

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Oh sure, here the informations of what I've bought on ebay... If more information is needed, I'll give them when I'm back from my holidays. 

 

What I can provide right at the moment:

LEDs for interior - all found and ordered in ebay (products mostly from China -> fast delivery, good quality, 0 shippingcosts. US can provide same products but for me to Switzerland much too high costs - about 10-15x higher ?)

White lights for the dashboard

Lights for breaks, oil, temp, AMP

Lights for cold

Lights for turn right/left

Light sockets for courtesy light (and all BA15D LED bulbs)

Lights to plug on socket for courtesy lights 

Lights for clock, hvac, glovebox, lighter front and all other BA9S bulbs

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IMHO, switching to LEDs (where feasible) is advisable for three reasons:

- Lower current draw through the wiring and switches.  This can, for example, keep your switches from pitting.

- Less heat, which means lenses are less prone to become discolored, warp, or break.

- Brighter lights.

 

"Feasible" is the key word.  The possible drawbacks are cost, light color, uneven dimming, dispersion pattern, and direct interchangeability.

 

In a similar vein, replacing the stock headlight harness with a new, relay-driven harness will save your light switch and give you brighter lights.

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Another drawback to running LED's is that they create no resistance and are therefore not usable as turn signals because they won't activate the flasher.

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Most suppliers of the LED bulbs will sell you a resistance device that you install in line with each bulb; which can get expenzive. Tom's way is much easier.

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It's not clear that LEDs work for many of the exterior lights anyway.  If you think about it, many of those lights get their effective size from the reflective surface of the fixture.  That is, a single incandescent bulb shoots light out in all directions.  Some of this light gets reflected back out, which makes the light appear much larger than it is.  In contrast, many LEDs are unidirectional; they shoot light straight out in one direction (like a flashlight).  Imagine shining a flashlight straight out of your parking light or straight up through the socket hole in the bottom of the taillight.  You're not gong to get much useful light out of that.

 

It's true that they are coming out will more multi-directional and horizontally projecting LEDs.  Whether they're suitable for a 1st gen taillight is anybody's guess.

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They're out there.  The nice thing about them is that they also come in red.  Red LED bulb behind a red lens and you're going to put out a lot of really bright light.

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Yeah, but at $11 per bulb plus the new flasher or 4 load resistors, this is about a $50-60 roll of the dice to do all 4 turn signal bulbs.  Even if you just do the rear, you're out ~$35.  Not saying it's not worth it if you know it's going to work, but I've yet to see any glowing testimonials for this particular application.

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68smd-r_2.jpg

 

$12.99 / pair

 

12v LED Electronic Flasher

 

11.95. for an electronic flasher

 

$25 will buy me a lot of security just knowing that the car behind me can see me.  Leave the fronts as they are.

 

Ed

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There are definitely many replacement LEDs from which to choose.  The fundamental question remains: do they work?  That's the unknown here.  Theoretically, they could/should.  But the last time I looked into this in any depth, reports were mixed: they're weren't bright enough, they didn't disperse light well, they burned out fast, they were great.  You pays your money, you takes your chances.

 

One might suppose that as the bigger players (Sylvania, Philips, etc.) make a bigger push into the market things will improve.  At some point, they'll have it figured out.  Are we at that point now?  I dunno -- but there are still a lot of negative reviews on Amazon et al for these bulbs.

 

BTW, one might be a bit cautious about getting bulbs that are too bright -- you don't want someone to think that you've got your brakes on all the time.  If you're really worried about a following car knowing that you're on the brakes, it shouldn't be that hard to mount a center brake light to the rear window.

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On ‎11‎/‎1‎/‎2016 at 1:44 PM, Schmiddy said:

Oh sure, here the informations of what I've bought on ebay... If more information is needed, I'll give them when I'm back from my holidays. 

 

What I can provide right at the moment:

LEDs for interior - all found and ordered in ebay (products mostly from China -> fast delivery, good quality, 0 shippingcosts. US can provide same products but for me to Switzerland much too high costs - about 10-15x higher ?)

White lights for the dashboard

Lights for breaks, oil, temp, AMP

Lights for cold

Lights for turn right/left

Light sockets for courtesy light (and all BA15D LED bulbs)

Lights to plug on socket for courtesy lights 

Lights for clock, hvac, glovebox, lighter front and all other BA9S bulbs

 

This is exactly what I needed. Thank you!

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I put a LED taillight kit in my mustang a few years ago. White lights on a circuit board, that gave sequential turn signal lights too. Amazing difference in brightness, it was worth every cent. The originals were so dim I was worried about getting rear-ended at night.

 

I'm seriously considering the same thing for my 64:

http://www.easyperformance.com/products/product-detail/id/EPF-CST10-RIV63/name/1963-riviera-sequential-tail-lights

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0MimA81NJY

 

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Update time!

Got the rest of my bulbs today in the mail and I'm pleased with them. Will take a pic tomorrow for you guys. Just need to do the ignition switch bulb since that's the only one that doesn't match in color now. I went for a pure white...but that's just my personal preference.

 

The only bulb I haven't done yet is the radio. Would rather not pull the radio but I can't find the bulb socket yet. Will try again tomorrow.

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Questions:     Where can I obtain the 194 & 1816 bulbs for the instruments & shifter?   What type bulb is used for the HVAC controls?   Are they suitable for my 65?    Are the instrument cluster lights accessible from underneath, or do I have to pull the cluster or dashpad?  Thanx DREW

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Hey Roadmaster, were you talking about LEDs or brighter than stock incandescent bulbs. I want to stay as original & inexpensive as possible, but my dash lights have always been very dim, & the HVAC & shifter lights are barely visible.

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Hi Drew, I first bought a set of 194s from Amazon. They were brighter than my tired 168s but they weren't that much brighter. I had some leftover LEDs around after doing the Mercedes so I popped those in. So much brighter! It's a huge upgrade in lighting output even over the 194. So I bought a complete LED set and got to work on those. I'm entirely happy now.

 

Instrument cluster bulbs are accessible through the two small access doors under the dashboard. The hardest one to get to is the top bulb of the speedometer. I don't know if there's an easy way but that was a killer.

 

jsgun's link is super helpful when ordering bulbs. I referenced them on the website but bought my sets from ebay. Just need to figure out how to get to the radio's bulb now.

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