vermontboy Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 Thanks Ed - that's the impression I got. When I get serious in a couple of years I won't start my search looking for it..... too bad, unless something catastrophic occurred it should have still been a nice driver quality Pierce. 1933 was a great year and it was a great car for long Sunday drives or even vacations to Vermont and New Hampshire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted February 3, 2018 Author Share Posted February 3, 2018 This was sitting on my computer. Maybe Ed can fill us in on what happened to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted February 4, 2018 Share Posted February 4, 2018 Under total restoration on the west coast. It’s being done correctly by a shop that has done a bunch of Pierce Arrow’s. I’m looking forward to seeing it in the near future. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted February 5, 2018 Author Share Posted February 5, 2018 Ed, is that a 12 or an eight? A 35 I think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 1936 series 1601 Eight, well known car to PA people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West Peterson Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 On 10/15/2016 at 9:07 AM, alsancle said: Blah. Reminds me of a high hat Rollson. In regard to the spare tire question on this car, and that it was carried by a "chase car": Can I assume from the photo in post #18 that a spare tire was added to the car later on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West Peterson Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 On 10/14/2016 at 10:41 PM, edinmass said: I'll throw down the gauntlet, ID the car, body builder, year, chassis, owner when it was new, and cars current location. It has 2200 miles on it. No help from the PA guys! Spare tire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 Yes, a later update. Car still has its original upholstery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted February 7, 2018 Author Share Posted February 7, 2018 12 hours ago, edinmass said: Yes, a later update. Car still has its original upholstery. Most of the time a dark color will help a big car. Not here though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 That car need NO help, it’s a fantastic car.........It’s just you car snob high faulting taste that is the problem. If you look close you can read the factory bumper sticker! ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted April 6, 2018 Author Share Posted April 6, 2018 V12 coming up for auction: https://www.earlywineauctions.com/vehicles/768/1932-pierce-arrow-model-53 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted April 18, 2018 Author Share Posted April 18, 2018 Ed knows all the details. https://www.mecum.com/lots/SC0518-327273/1933-pierce-arrow-model-836-sport-coupe/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Harwood Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 (edited) I'm bitterly unhappy about the burgundy one I had last year. I was talking to the seller about keeping it myself--he was a friend and we were working out a way for me to put such a valuable car in my collection. I would have liquidated everything else, but I felt it would have been worth it and he was willing to wait for payment in full. I'd been admiring the car for 15 years. Then a buyer showed up willing to pay full asking price, and I didn't feel it would be ethical to not take the money for my client. So I sold the car. Months later, it was with another dealer with a giant price tag. I don't know if the buyer didn't want it after all or the dealer bought it and lied to me about the buyer, but it slipped out of my hands and is now out of reach forever. I'm none too pleased about any of that. When I saw that Mecum link in the preview pane, I feared for the worst and thought it was "my" car heading for the dumping ground that is Mecum. Sometimes doing the right thing will get you screwed in the end. Edited April 18, 2018 by Matt Harwood (see edit history) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrbartlett Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 Gee, I have been admiring this one myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted April 28, 2018 Author Share Posted April 28, 2018 I have encountered the attached coupe below twice. First, not too many years ago when it was sitting in the car corral at Hershey with a very reasonable sale price attached and "SOLD" stamped over it. The car was not 1/2 way down the trailer when it was sold. Second, when the very astute collector (a really nice guy with some great cars) brought on a caravan that I was on. I really like these coupes. I'm going to say that the yellow car is probably worth a very slight premium over comparable correct eight cylinder car. Definitely cool, but you do lose some of the audience on an engine swap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted April 28, 2018 Author Share Posted April 28, 2018 Convertible version of the coupe that has been for sale in Hemmings. Not sure if it is still available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auburnseeker Posted April 28, 2018 Share Posted April 28, 2018 I just looked at that ad. I would trade my Cord for that. Is the upholstery correct? It looks a bit off, style/ pattern wise. It would have been nice to see a shot of the engine as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted April 29, 2018 Author Share Posted April 29, 2018 I have this vague recollection that Richie Clyne owns the convertible so he would definitely do a trade if there was profit in it for him. Semi-rough car with new interior is kind of scary though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted April 29, 2018 Author Share Posted April 29, 2018 Who knows (Eddy?) how many of the production Silver Arrows had sidemounts and how many did not? Also breakdown of 12 vs 8. Is the 12 warmed over like the show cars? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auburnseeker Posted April 29, 2018 Share Posted April 29, 2018 1 hour ago, alsancle said: I have this vague recollection that Richie Clyne owns the convertible so he would definitely do a trade if there was profit in it for him. Semi-rough car with new interior is kind of scary though. I don't mind a driver/ beater type car, but I doubt there is any upper hand in a trade for my car for him, so It probably wouldn't work. Scares me a little as well, having compression and oil pressure but not running? Doesn't take much more to get it running unless there is something expensive wrong, not mentioned. It's a whole lot easier to move under it's own power, that to push and winch to move it around a shop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimy Posted April 29, 2018 Share Posted April 29, 2018 2 hours ago, alsancle said: Who knows (Eddy?) how many of the production Silver Arrows had sidemounts and how many did not? Also breakdown of 12 vs 8. Is the 12 warmed over like the show cars? AJ, after acquiring my production SA coupe in 2006 I searched the PAS master database for any 1934-35 SAs ever registered with PAS (since 1957). The results were: 1934 8s = 4, 1934 12s = 6, 1935 8s = 1, 1935 12s = 2. Grand total of 13. (BTW, my 1934 is an 8 without sidemounts--which I think shows off the lines better, although it renders trunk space absolutely minimal). Estimated production each year: The production SAs used the Y body code, and sequential body numbers did not distinguish between 8s and 12s, although the engineering prefix to the body number did (244 = 8 and 344 = 12). PAS records the highest known 1934 sequential Y body number as 43 (began at "1")--therefore, at least 43 SAs were built that year. For 1935, the sequential body numbers began at 100, and the highest known number is 104, meaning at least 5 were built in 1935. PAS records include not only cars registered with us but any identifiable cars in the few surviving employee notes or service records. PAS records do not indicate whether a car has sidemounts, but with 13 extant, that could be a long winter evening's project with Google Images. To my knowledge, by 1934-35 there was only the 462 cid V-12 and it was not warmed over for production cars--not including Ab Jenkins's 1934 Bonneville run. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted June 9, 2018 Author Share Posted June 9, 2018 Not sure what is better looking. The dude in the car, or the car itself. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve_Mack_CT Posted June 9, 2018 Share Posted June 9, 2018 Well, its certainly a good looking car AJ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Harwood Posted June 9, 2018 Share Posted June 9, 2018 2 hours ago, alsancle said: Not sure what is better looking. The dude in the car, or the car itself. I've long been an admirer of Pierce-Arrows and am pleased that my youngest son recently announced that Pierce-Arrow was his favorite kind of car. But that's just ugly. Nice car, though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimy Posted June 9, 2018 Share Posted June 9, 2018 Are congratulations in order? I won't comment on the relative attractiveness of man and car but will say you look great together! Just in time for the PAS Annual Meet in Rohnert Park, CA (near Santa Rosa), July 9-13 with add-on thru Monday the 16th. Let me know, please, if you and/or the coupe can make it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted June 9, 2018 Author Share Posted June 9, 2018 7 hours ago, Matt Harwood said: Nice car, though. I have a buddy that reacts to Pierce Arrow like it was Viagra. If you listen long enough you start to realize they are grossly underappreciated. Ball bearings on the spring shackles instead of bushings and what not. Been lucky enough to drive 3 different models, all V12 (2 36 and 1 35) and the power and speed is really impressive. I've never really gotten going fast in the same era Packard V12 (never over 30 mph) so I can't give first hand comparisons, unfortunately. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimy Posted June 9, 2018 Share Posted June 9, 2018 2 minutes ago, alsancle said: I've never really gotten going fast in the same era Packard V12 (never over 30 mph) And unless the gearing has been changed, you wouldn't be comfortable doing so. ? Hell, I drive my 1918 Pierce 48-B-5 dual valve, 7'8" tall with the top up, almost twice that--55 mph. This will get the Packard boys and girls spun up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted June 10, 2018 Author Share Posted June 10, 2018 Now George, lets not start trouble with the Packard guys! I usually think of the Packard 12 as a work of art to look at and the Pierce 12 as the workhorse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted October 13, 2018 Author Share Posted October 13, 2018 So somebody stepped up at the Hershey auction. Hammer at 135 so 150 ish all in, with another 300-400k to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 That 32 is a fantastic car...........interestingly the wright up in the auction wasn’t completely accurate. I have the history on that car from day one.......along with an interesting story about it. Who ever bought it should contact me. Ed And for the record.......Pierce used Torrington roller bearings on the clutch and brake pedals........every other car from Rolls, Packard, and Duesenberg used bushing as far as I am familiar with..........the Pierce twelve used bearings in the distributor..........only two others did that........Cadillac V-16 and Marmon V-16. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted October 14, 2018 Author Share Posted October 14, 2018 Yeah, I mentioned to Chris that they were missing a lot of the history. I'm happy someone bought it that wasn't me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted October 17, 2018 Share Posted October 17, 2018 I didn't go look at it while at the Fall Meet. Looking forward to talking to the new owner. Properly restored it has First In Class all over it for Pebble. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted October 29, 2018 Author Share Posted October 29, 2018 Here is a picture of a really nice 36 Pierce 12 that was ruined by an interloper who snuck on the field. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted October 29, 2018 Author Share Posted October 29, 2018 Here is a 12 production Silver Arrow for sale at Mecum Las Vegas. I'm 90% sure this is the car I've sat in which is really really nice. I know the consignor floats around on the forum (wrong auction my friend!). https://www.mecum.com/lots/LN1118-361289/1935-pierce-arrow-model-1245-silver-arrow/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auburnseeker Posted October 29, 2018 Share Posted October 29, 2018 I always associate Mecum with Muscle Cars and Vettes. I imagine others do as well. Beautiful car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted October 29, 2018 Share Posted October 29, 2018 It runs and drives great when I was in it about two or three years ago........helped out the restoration shop who sorted it. Fantastic car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted July 3, 2019 Author Share Posted July 3, 2019 Mecum has a surprising number of nice prewar cars at Monterrey this year, including this Pierce club sedan. AACA Senior Grand National Award, 2002 Concours restoration completed in 1990 by White Post Restorations in White Post, Virginia 366 CI L-head inline 8-cylinder engine 4-speed selective sliding manual gearbox Semi-elliptic front and rear leaf springs Bendix duo-servo mechanical drum brakes Two-tone Tan and White finish with matching trunk Woodgrain dash and door sills Luggage rack Dual side mount spares with accessory mirrors Dual wipers Archer mascot Painted wire wheels with chrome centers Wide Whitewall tires Pierce-Arrow produced its Model 43 for one year only, 1931, eventually completing a run of only 2,591 units. The Model 43 Club Sedan offered here from the prestigious Academy of Art University Collection is a multiple-award-winning example that was restored in 1990 to concours condition by White Post Restorations of White Post, Virginia, a renowned leader in the automotive restoration business since 1940. The Model 43 was the product of the luxury automaker’s efforts to increase market share at the outset of the Great Depression. Manufactured on both 134- and 137-inch wheelbases, the Model 43 benefited from the new-generation inline 8-cylinder L-head engine introduced by Pierce-Arrow in 1929. The new engine was a departure from the relatively inefficient powerplants that characterized earlier Pierce-Arrows, displacing 366 CI and employing a 3.5-inch bore and 4.75-inch stroke, a new dual venturi carburetor on a matching duplex manifold, a Delco starter, ignition and generator, and a completely submerged push-type oil pump. Rated at 125 HP, it was not only a full 50 HP more powerful than the inline-6 it replaced, but 100 pounds lighter and, combined with a 4-speed selective sliding gearbox, capable of pushing the new car past 85 MPH. Conventional mechanicals included semi-elliptical leaf-spring suspension and highly effective Bendix duo-servo mechanical drum brakes. Painted in two-tone tan and white with a matching trunk and folding luggage rack and led by the famous “Archer” mascot, this Model 43 Club Sedan also features a plush white leather interior with wood-grain dash and door sills, dual side-mount spares with accessory mirrors, dual wipers and wide whitewalls on painted wire wheels with chromed center caps. Scarcely driven since its restoration, the car earned an AACA Senior Grand National Award in 2002. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Harwood Posted July 4, 2019 Share Posted July 4, 2019 Unfortunate about the colors. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted July 4, 2019 Author Share Posted July 4, 2019 According to Ed, a pile of money was spent restoring this. Colors are bad, but losing the WW and darker wheels might help? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_Mereness Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 (edited) On 7/3/2019 at 8:49 PM, Matt Harwood said: Unfortunate about the colors. My experience via Significantcars.com is that the buyers are not fond of tan's, brown's (stay around brown), tan/brown, tan/brown/orange, white, some light grey's (depends on car), most greens (except English sports cars in BRG or some 60's Mercedes), certain things in resale red, and .... Edited July 6, 2019 by John_Mereness (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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