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The less someone puts into their advertisement the more worried you need to be.  Also, lots of text about meaningless drivel is another warning sign or possibly just an idiot selling the car.   Low-res photos are another give away.    Wet car in photos means run for the hills.   The ones that make me laugh the hardest is when the guy says "1955 Chevy, call for more details".   Is it a 2 door? is it a 4 door? a convertible, does it run?  Is it located on an island in the Pacific??  Actually I can answer that question right off the bat,  1000 miles away, a rusted out non running 4 door sedan is that the other end of that phone call.

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1 hour ago, DrinkMoxie said:

Well the search is on. I've got a whole folder of bookmarked cars from all over the place. This might sound like a pretty obvious question but: If a person posts a bunch of photos of the car, and none of them are of the underside or the frame, is that a red flag? I figure it's either that or just a matter of not having the means to get under the car for good photos. Pardon my naivete.

 

Based on the above I don't think you're naive....... ;)

You're asking the right questions....... :D 

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1 hour ago, DrinkMoxie said:

Well the search is on. I've got a whole folder of bookmarked cars from all over the place. This might sound like a pretty obvious question but: If a person posts a bunch of photos of the car, and none of them are of the underside or the frame, is that a red flag? I figure it's either that or just a matter of not having the means to get under the car for good photos. Pardon my naivete.

 

Yes, that could be a red flag, but not always.  The only circumstance I can think of right off hand that would not necessarily be a red flag, is if the seller is a family member of a deceased owner, and knows little or nothing about the car.  Even if that is the case, the seller should be cooperative in obtaining photos of the underside of the car; if not, that is certainly a red flag.  If the car is local, say within a 25 mile radius, I'd go look at  it without underside photos; however, I would not travel any significant distance to look at a car whose owner was reluctant or supposedly unable to provide photos of the underside of the car.

 

If the seller is proud of the condition of the underside of his car, then he will definitely arrange to have some good photos taken of the under-side of the car.  If this is the case, underside photos should be provided as a part of the initial advertisement.  If you become serious about buying a particular vehicle, NEVER be shy about requesting more photos of that vehicle.

 

Happy shopping,

Grog

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2 hours ago, capngrog said:

If you become serious about buying a particular vehicle, NEVER be shy about requesting more photos of that vehicle.

 Good advice, I'll definitely contact the seller about more photos. The main reason I asked is because of a particular car on eBay. In the description they guy linked to his Google drive that had, no exaggeration, at least 400 photos of the exterior, interior, engine, but not a single one (as far as I can tell, it was a LOT to go through) of the underside.

 

Also funny story, I contacted a different seller about getting some pics of the DASH in a car and was denied.

 

So obviously I bought the car sight-unseen from him.

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+1 particularly in Florida there are A Lot of estate sales. In fact the best deals are from somebody who did not pay for it and does not want it. Just be prepared to spend either time or money and consider it a learning experience.

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Lots of good advice !! But please now that you are a confirmed old car person learn what "Classic Car" means to other old car people. It's an entry level misuse of the description and identifies the {mis} user as a novice in the world of vintage cars. I know everyone here is trying to encourage you as a younger person showing interest, but I always feel it is best to learn the correct terms for all the different types of old cars.  Old car people in general will treat you more as an equal if you know the basics of descriptions and use them correctly.

 I like El Camino's a lot myself. At least 50 % of the usefulness of a truck without the size, weight and poor mileage of a truck.  They make a great run around vehicle when in the old car game.

Greg in Canada

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Some of the best deals you will ever get are from rotten ads written by people who don't know what they are doing. If they can't spell the car's name get excited. That means anyone doing a search for that car will miss it. In fact if you are looking for a particular car it pays to try misspelling it. If you find one, you could be the only one bidding.

 

Try Packer or Packerd for Packard, Cadallac or Caddilac for Cadillac, Camero for Camaro etc.

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One kind of ad I always ignore it one that does not give a price especially if it says 'call for price' or similar. Those ones are ALWAYS grossly overpriced in my experience.

 

Similar to one that give a big buildup like ' 1957 Nausee Eight, very rare, one of only 200 built, epitome of the tail fin era,  like the one Elvis drove in that movie, etc etc' without telling you anything about the heap they are selling. Those sellers are always from Jupiter.

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18 hours ago, Rusty_OToole said:

Some of the best deals you will ever get are from rotten ads written by people who don't know what they are doing. If they can't spell the car's name get excited. That means anyone doing a search for that car will miss it. In fact if you are looking for a particular car it pays to try misspelling it. If you find one, you could be the only one bidding.

 

Try Packer or Packerd for Packard, Cadallac or Caddilac for Cadillac, Camero for Camaro etc.

 

This is true and excellent advice, I always look for Alpha Romeos since lots of flippers and ad copywriters are spelling challenged 

 

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18 hours ago, Rusty_OToole said:

Similar to one that give a big buildup like ' 1957 Nausee Eight, very rare, one of only 200 built, epitome of the tail fin era,  like the one Elvis drove in that movie, etc etc' without telling you anything about the heap they are selling. Those sellers are always from Jupiter.

 

Yes, this is another topic worthy of its own thread, lame over-hyped ads we have seen.  THE LATEST, which I am not making up: I was just sent an Ebay ad for a nice looking 1964 Catalina featuring ".....the highly desirable and hard-to-find Roto-matic transmission and heavy duty air cleaner...."  Anyone with a 1961-64 Olds or Pontiac can pause for a big laugh at THAT claim, Todd C 

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On ‎8‎/‎4‎/‎2016 at 8:38 AM, poci1957 said:

 

Yes, this is another topic worthy of its own thread, lame over-hyped ads we have seen.  THE LATEST, which I am not making up: I was just sent an Ebay ad for a nice looking 1964 Catalina featuring ".....the highly desirable and hard-to-find Roto-matic transmission and heavy duty air cleaner...."  Anyone with a 1961-64 Olds or Pontiac can pause for a big laugh at THAT claim, Todd C 

 

But isn't that just what Rusty is saying might make a good find?

Someone that doesn't know much?

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7 minutes ago, JACK M said:

 

But isn't that just what Rusty is saying might make a good find?

Someone that doesn't know much?

 

I think the opposite, in the reference to ads like that he suggests the seller is trying to claim TOO much to build up the car for an inflated price, Todd C  

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On 8/1/2016 at 1:08 AM, cahartley said:

I forgot to mention........do you have any idea how far a $1000 goes at a body shop?....... :ph34r:

 

It gets the car into a Bay...

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1 hour ago, JACK M said:

 

But isn't that just what Rusty is saying might make a good find?

Someone that doesn't know much?

It's the overwrought ads where the seller obviously believes he is sitting on a gold mine when in fact he has a mediocre car that is not worth half what he thinks. Those are to be avoided.

 

Clumsy ads written by sellers who don't know what they are talking about, and obviously don't care about the car and don't put much value on it, may conceal a diamond in the rough or a good car that they are willing to sell cheap. This doesn't happen with every ad but often enough to be interesting.

 

Dealers make money this way all the time. Buying a neglected car from an owner who doesn't want it. Take a $5000 car, clean it up, wax it, pump up the tires, give it a new battery, a tuneup and fresh gas. Spend $1000 or $2000  then advertise it for $25000.

 

Knowing that someone who turned up his nose at $5000 and refused to even look at it, will now pay $20,000 for the same car prettied up with a pretty ad.

 

I would rather buy the dirty car from a lousy ad and save $13000. Others feel different.

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4 hours ago, Rusty_OToole said:

It's the overwrought ads where the seller obviously believes he is sitting on a gold mine when in fact he has a mediocre car that is not worth half what he thinks. Those are to be avoided.

 

Clumsy ads written by sellers who don't know what they are talking about, and obviously don't care about the car and don't put much value on it, may conceal a diamond in the rough or a good car that they are willing to sell cheap. This doesn't happen with every ad but often enough to be interesting.

 

Dealers make money this way all the time. Buying a neglected car from an owner who doesn't want it. Take a $5000 car, clean it up, wax it, pump up the tires, give it a new battery, a tuneup and fresh gas. Spend $1000 or $2000  then advertise it for $25000.

 

Knowing that someone who turned up his nose at $5000 and refused to even look at it, will now pay $20,000 for the same car prettied up with a pretty ad.

 

I would rather buy the dirty car from a lousy ad and save $13000. Others feel different.

 

And Armor-All.  
Definitely, lots of Armor-All.

(I'm an excellent Detailer...)

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On ‎8‎/‎1‎/‎2016 at 1:08 AM, cahartley said:

I forgot to mention........do you have any idea how far a $1000 goes at a body shop?....... :ph34r:

 

 Not to far, maybe buys 15 hours of labor...... maybe,,,,, I am living it now! Started with some damage pulling it into the trailer. I just gave them another 5 grand on Friday and still waiting for color.....

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8 minutes ago, auburnseeker said:

 

That one looks real nice; however, careful reading of the description reveals this: "A new reproduction front floor has been replaced and sound proof added."  The reason that floor pans are replaced is because the originals rusted out, and the "sound proof added" is probably undercoating which can hide a host of problems.  This is not necessarily a "red" flag, but it is certainly a "yellow" flag of caution, especially when at the end of the next paragraph, the seller states: "No rust."  I detect a basic contradiction here and would advise an interested buyer to check this Elco out very, very carefully.  Personally, I would look at this Elco if it was nearby, but I would not drive more than 50 miles to look at it.

 

Good luck,

Grog

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Nice thing, is there seems to be alot of them out their.  A little diligence and the original poster should find a nice one.  I don't scrutinize the ones I post.  I just post what look like possible candidates that don't scream run with the first photo. They are in the North East as well so in the Original posters realm of reasonable travel.

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2 hours ago, auburnseeker said:

Nice thing, is there seems to be alot of them out their.  A little diligence and the original poster should find a nice one.  I don't scrutinize the ones I post.  I just post what look like possible candidates that don't scream run with the first photo. They are in the North East as well so in the Original posters realm of reasonable travel.

 

I appreciate your posting interesting ads for El Caminos that are for sale, and no, I don't expect you to scrutinize each posting.  Please don't take my comments above as a dig at you, I was merely pointing out a couple of sentences which caused me concern about the experience or veracity of the seller.

 

Cheers,

Grog

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Agree there are a lot of "diamonds in the rough" but first you have to know diamonds from paste. Albany car looks good from the top but the bottom is just as important. I always like to see air cars since there is a lot of heavy duty stuff (alternator, battery, radiator, clutch fan, shroud) that comes with it. Even the heaters work better. Hoses indicate this is not a show restoration.

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See it sticks to the body especially the rockers and quarters (magnet)

 

billy joel came to my house 2 years ago and pulled that on my surface rusted 36 chevy coupe- I asked him what the heck he was doing? you could planely see the car had a nice light covering of surface rust-do that on a 5-10 grand paint job and you are likely to get tossed on your ear! never saw anyone with a magnet in my lifetime have a clue to what they were buying..............

 

(I found out a week later it was him and was sorry I was so harsh on the poor guy!) he knows nothing about cars- but he sure does like them!

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Everyone here has good advice about what to look for when examining a potential purchase, and I would listen as they're experienced and smart. As someone who buys and sells daily, the best advice I can possibly offer you is to spend more and get a good car. Every single person that comes into my shop, regardless of price level, is looking to get something on the cheap rather than trying to get the best car they can--I can sell a turd if it's cheap enough. Buyers often neglect to look at what they get for the money, focusing only on the price rather than the car. They'll pay 100% of what it says in the "price guide" but they won't pay a little more for a vastly better car. It's very frustrating to try to describe quality to someone whose only fixation is spending as little as possible.

 

When you buy a good car, you always get what you pay for. When you buy a cheap car, you always get what you pay for. Or, to put it in terms that another forum member used (I'm sorry I don't remember who to credit with this, perhaps 60FlatTop Bernie): The bargain hunter always screws himself.

 

Spend more than you think you should for a good car. Go look at it with your own eyes. Pay to have it shipped home, wherever it is. The right car will be a long-term joy. The wrong car will be the Death of 1000 Cuts and will drain your bank account just the same as spending more for a good car in the first place.

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