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  1. 1. Are you as a member of this forum also a member of the AACA?



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My honest and heartfelt posts were both deleted because they "offended" somebody. I have yet to be informed of why. This is EXACTLY why I do not join clubs. Illustrated clearly by the deletions. I suspect this one will also have a short life. There are too many people who are so full of themselves for any club to last long. I was not looking for sympathy (that can be found in the dictionary between syphilis and shit in case you were wondering), but merely illustrating why people do not generally join clubs. While I have a great respect for the admins of this forum, the deletion of posts (A.K.A. CENSORSHIP) that do not fit into someones agenda proves that my comments while honest, can not be tolerated. This is one reason our country is going the way it is. Nobody can take honesty and everyone is so afraid to be offended that they just can't be mature. Well I say Too bad! Grow up and man up for crying out loud!

 

No worries, this post will also disappear soon like the rest and no explanation will be given and without the negative, but honest experiences deleted you all can feel that the world is a utopia much like living in N. Korea. You will see what the power that be want you to see and nothing more.The PMs I received confirm that I am far from the only one who feels this way. I am the only one who speaks up about the censorship. 

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1 hour ago, mercer09 said:

My honest and heartfelt posts were both deleted because they "offended" somebody. I have yet to be informed of why. This is EXACTLY why I do not join clubs. Illustrated clearly by the deletions. I suspect this one will also have a short life. There are too many people who are so full of themselves for any club to last long. I was not looking for sympathy (that can be found in the dictionary between syphilis and shit in case you were wondering), but merely illustrating why people do not generally join clubs. While I have a great respect for the admins of this forum, the deletion of posts (A.K.A. CENSORSHIP) that do not fit into someones agenda proves that my comments while honest, can not be tolerated. This is one reason our country is going the way it is. Nobody can take honesty and everyone is so afraid to be offended that they just can't be mature. Well I say Too bad! Grow up and man up for crying out loud!

 

No worries, this post will also disappear soon like the rest and no explanation will be given and without the negative, but honest experiences deleted you all can feel that the world is a utopia much like living in N. Korea. You will see what the power that be want you to see and nothing more.The PMs I received confirm that I am far from the only one who feels this way. I am the only one who speaks up about the censorship. 

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  I find it interesting that some moderators when getting involved in a hot topic will violate their own rules and resort to name calling . When they don't like how the forum discussion direction is going in a unfavorable way towards their argument and even the rules of AACA etiquette are not broken on the other side they pull out the familiar card of you being argumentative and threaten to ban you. If giving your point of view can't be tolerated the true meaning and existence of a forum is in question. A forum by nature has argumentative elements to it's nature.

So rest assured, you are not the only one out there that gets treated this way.     

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Maybe it is just the general coarseness of civil debate that seems to be in fashion in the US lately... Maybe it is the fact that many people are so clearly divided on recent political issues with the election season... I don't know what it is. 

 

Despite the fact that I am not the moderator who deleted the earlier posts, I have had some nice messages back and forth with Amphicar Buyer about the issue. I think that most will agree that the AACA Discussion Forum is one of the most highly respected forums in the Antique Automobile Hobby. One common compliment that we hear is that the moderators keep it civil. In any situation where people communicate, there is certainly the opportunity for misunderstanding, controversy and discord. The moderators generally have very little need to get involved in those types of situtations on this forum. Most forum users follow the rules almost all of the time. It seems that lately, whenever anything gets deleted people want to argue about the moderation or bad mouth the moderators. 


I am pretty sure that the AACA Discussion Forum is the only one where you can constantly complain about the organization running the forum and still retain posting privileges. A little less complaining about the organization and the forum itself would certainly help maintain a more civil discussion and make the forum more fun again.

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I've found that sending a PM to the person asking a question is far easier than being taken to task by some all knowing moderator. Bob

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My example was not an illustration about this forum or any other. I was a commentary of club mentality as a whole. McHinson and I have had respectful and polite conversations about this because we are both mature adults who can allow the other to have an opinion that may or may not align with each other's and not take it personally. This is the crux of the overall problem, those that feel that they are somehow above the rest of us try as they may all they can to keep that illusion alive. Their efforts only serve to further cement the poor opinions that other have of them.

 

My experience with the one club I gave my all (and more) to without expecting anything but an occasional "thanks" in return for those efforts was one that soured me on clubs just as I am on organized religion. Hypocritical narcissists in charge only there to serve themselves and not for the good of the club are why some (especially the Amphicar club with a few very notable exclusions) clubs just die. We fought to get the IAOC back in order and then to keep it casual, not focusing on correct or concourse level cars, but to focus on the regular folk who love the cars for what they are and what to do (beyond the swimming aspect). One guy felt that his want to make these cars for the elite was more important than what most of us wanted, to preserve, LOVE, enjoy and SHARE the experience that only an Amphicar can provide. A club for the regular guy who spent 5 -10 years restoring his car himself, not for the guy with deep pockets who merely wrote the check and yet feels it's OK to take credit for the restoration. This elitist attitude is a self destructive scourge that once again, took down what once was the best club ever, with tons of participation (63 Amphicars in attendance when I was president to <30 after). It took many to make it great and a few to make it fail.

 

The AACA forums are open to all, the vast majority are regular folk and sadly we have been issued a small number of the narcissistic bullies that feel their wants supersede those of everyone. I can voice my opinion here and generally not be concerned. This time I know that the guilty person I speak of knows who he is and so do most others. I will not mention names because this is not about them, it's about who they represent and the results of their actions. They want it to be members only to further close the gates on the regular folk, to massage their egos and reinforcing their narcissistic ways. It really is pathetic.

 

SO in short, keep the forums open to all, offer special services to members but  do not exclude the non-members as ea one is a potential member if treated with an open hand extended in friendship rather than treat them as a annoyance or a bother.

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I have to respectfully disagree with your characterization of the "deep pocket guys". I have found that often those guys are as deeply involved in their cars and as knowledgeable about them as the guy who has scarred knuckles and grease under his finger nails. Just because someone may not have the talent or the time to do his own restoration work doesn't necessarily mean he doesn't love his cars and the hobby as much as anyone. When did it become a crime to want a car restored to as close to perfection as possible? There is room in this hobby for all, from those who enjoy DPC to those who live for the competition of national meets or Concourse events.

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43 minutes ago, Restorer32 said:

I have to respectfully disagree with your characterization of the "deep pocket guys". I have found that often those guys are as deeply involved in their cars and as knowledgeable about them as the guy who has scarred knuckles and grease under his finger nails. Just because someone may not have the talent or the time to do his own restoration work doesn't necessarily mean he doesn't love his cars and the hobby as much as anyone. When did it become a crime to want a car restored to as close to perfection as possible? There is room in this hobby for all, from those who enjoy DPC to those who live for the competition of national meets or Concourse events.

 

If you are going to disagree with something I said (that is certainly OK with me), please use it in the proper context, by not omitting the qualifier which denote context. Also please do not put words in my mouth (this is not OK). I did not say nor imply they didn't love their cars nor did I say or imply they were not involved or knowledgeable. Just about everything you said is added by you, not from me. That is also not OK.

 

To be clear, what I said was "A club for the regular guy who spent 5 -10 years restoring his car himself, not for the guy with deep pockets who merely wrote the check and yet feels it's OK to take credit for the restoration."

 

 

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I don't think that there is a simple easy way to add any logo beside an avatar. If you wish to make sure someone knows you are an AACA Member, you can easily edit your signature to indicate "AACA Member".

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Guys, we will discuss this issue and see if it is anything we can do...I really like the idea but not sure how that can be done as of this point.  Sorry, I was just alerted to this...

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On 7/26/2016 at 8:35 AM, Curti said:

I am a member of the national AACA. I vend at Hershey and visit this very valuable site daily.  I feel supporting the AACA  is the right  thing to do.  

 

This is exactly how I feel as well.

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I am a member of the AACA, as well as a member of other clubs on the Street Rod/ Custom side. I do not look at SEMA or the AACA any different. Two groups doing the same thing, with the same goal, coming from different angles. The comment about the customs creeping in is a interesting one. Are some of the aftermarket/ reproduction parts made for restoration or the street rod side? Do people buy a reproduced steel 40 ford body to restore it? Most likely not, But that side sure helps restores get much needed reproduced parts.   I have posted pictures of customs that I am working on. the Hudson truck seen on a different post came off of a hog farm. No restorer would have touched the car. A restorer will look at a project for a stand point of what is it missing, condition and so on. Form a custom side it is a clean slat. I build street rods and customs for the most part. But have a love for restored cars as well, here are some of the restored cars that I have been lucky to have owned. I think we should all thank any one who is willing to put in the time and the money to get a piece of history back on the road in any form. 

1930 Packard 740 roadster 174.JPG

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1937 packard outside #1 013.JPG

56 Corvette 056.jpg

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40 minutes ago, Steve Moskowitz said:

Guys, we will discuss this issue and see if it is anything we can do...I really like the idea but not sure how that can be done as of this point.  Sorry, I was just alerted to this...

 

Hey Steve,

Just maybe something instead of "Senior Member" or "Junior Member" it could just say "AACA Member" It might be some inspiration for those who are not to join, it also could make dialog a lot easier knowing if the poster is a member or not, it would give a perspective of where the poster is coming from, knowing if they are a member or not. Thanks for looking into it, I think it would be a good improvement.

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39 minutes ago, John348 said:

 

Hey Steve,

Just maybe something instead of "Senior Member" or "Junior Member" it could just say "AACA Member" It might be some inspiration for those who are not to join, it also could make dialog a lot easier knowing if the poster is a member or not, it would give a perspective of where the poster is coming from, knowing if they are a member or not. Thanks for looking into it, I think it would be a good improvement.

 

I like this idea too, Todd C

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Just go to your profile and change your rank from Senior or Junior Member to AACA Member as I have done. Never understood the Junior/Senior thing anyway. I assumed it was a comment on my age?

 

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15 hours ago, MCHinson said:

I don't think that there is a simple easy way to add any logo beside an avatar. If you wish to make sure someone knows you are an AACA Member, you can easily edit your signature to indicate "AACA Member".

 

I'm wondering what the purpose of showing that somebody is an AACA or not is?  

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It's the same as wearing a club jacket to an old car function or having a club badge or sticker on your vintage car.  Just shows your membership in a group.

 

Greg in Canada

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I lose count but I belong to around 12 different clubs.  I think I'm going to rotate my title starting with "CCCA Member" and then work my way through ACD, Pierce Arrow, Marmon, Nash, Graham, etc.

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4 hours ago, John348 said:

Just did it myself, that was pretty easy

Hi, John.  Sure was.

 

Regards,

 

Peter J.

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Good idea and profile has been fixed. Xander: those are some really pretty cars.

 

BTW all of my cars have licenses & insurance, their own doors, and could get on the turnpike at 70 for a few hours tomorrow. With AC on.

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I think it's good to have non-AACA members on the forum, that way some parts and cars for sale show up, and we get other viewpoints.  It would be nice if those people joined the club, but it's a free country and a semi-free forum.

 

I changed mine to AACA member just to see if I could, and it's easy!

 

I think a lot of the areas of the antique car hobby are very strong today.  Nice Classics, T's and A's (Fords!), brass cars, 50's and 60's cars.  Projects have lesser value due to cost of restoration, but good cars have a good market.

 

As to the hobby "dying",  I've seen a lot of people who, for example,  like hot rods but don't like original cars (too much trouble to put up with all the little things wrong with them). 

 

Thus, their viewpoint is "no one's interested in those old relics " with unsaid: (because I'm not, so how can anyone?)  It's like someone who hates pickles, and can't understand why ANYONE would like them.....

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