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  1. 1. Are you as a member of this forum also a member of the AACA?



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15 hours ago, Peter J.Heizmann said:

 

Just so visitors to this website are aware that this thread is not from the AACA but from a non-member:

 

This AACA Website is paid for from the dues of current AACA Members.  I have a problem with the OP in that he is requesting a poll without permission from the AACA for information coming from a person that is not even a member.  Rather rude in my opinion.

 

In the past when I was on the board such polls were not allowed without the expressed permission of the standing board.

 

Regards,

 

Peter J.

 

 

 

 

 

I pointed out that I was not a member from the very beginning of this thread.

I found no rule anywhere about starting a poll.

One mans opinion of rude may be another mans curiosity as I titled this thread.

I didn't break any rules here that I know of and if I did I am sorry for that.

All I was doing was expressing my curiosity.

On the other side of things it seems rude to me to make a statement like this.

 

Let's just all get along as this forum is intended.

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With regards to Peter Heizmann's comments regarding the inappropriateness of starting this thread saying that starting it was "rather rude," to do so. How else would anyone in a policy making position in the AACA ever get any feedback on what non-members think? There are many more non-members out there then there are AACA members. If the AACA membership would use this type of commentary as a constructive tool, it might be able to make some changes which could translate into some new members. Changes needn't be a counter to any AACA goals. I think that many of us non-members just need to feel that this is a place that we are wanted. Like it or not, AACA membership has to understand that the forum is the pulse of dyeing segment of the old car hobby. It is the defacto mechanism which loosely binds us together. If the AACA ignores this mandate, as a unifying force, I'm afraid that this part of the hobby won't survive long.

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Peter Heizmann's comment is related to a policy that was in place a few years back, that policy prohibited unofficial polls on the forum. With the current software setup, the option to start a poll is there, so I assume that the current policy allows anybody to start a poll.

 

I am an AACA member. I joined when I was in my 30s. I have been a member for 20 years. For the first decade, I was only involved in events in my local AACA Chapter and never attended any national event. For the last decade, I have also been involved in National Meets and National Tours. I am blessed to live in a place that has great local Chapter and Region events. In addition to volunteering as a moderator on this site, I am also involved in AACA in other National activities as a Volunteer and serve as an officer in my local Chapter and serve as a webmaster for one of the Regions that I belong to.   As a member of multiple AACA Regions,  I can say that AACA is an important part of my involvement in the old car hobby.    

 

AACA provides the forum as a tool to help promote the entire Antique Car Hobby. There is no requirement to be a member of AACA to participate in the Forum. I know of no similar organization that does as much for the hobby as AACA. I would encourage those of you who have never been a member of AACA to consider joining. If you are also a Military Veteran, you can actually join for free. The recent Military Sponsorship program allows Veterans to enjoy their first year for free. For basically the cost of a stamp a Veteran can see if they like being an AACA member. Feel free to download a Military Sponsorship Application at this link: 

http://www.aaca.org/images/pdf/AACAMilitarySponsorshipApplication_2016.pdf

Personally I see the forum as an important part of AACA. I realize that a relatively small number of AACA members participate in the Forum. I suspect that the Forum will become a resource utilitized by more and more AACA members in the future as more older members are replaced by younger more computer savvy members. It is a great resource for information on almost any topic related to the hobby. I certainly appreciate the fact that AACA provides the forum for us to enjoy.

 

 

 

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I've been a member for 16 years or so for couple of reasons. The first is to gain entrée to shows where the cars mostly are stock and mostly restored. That is my area of interest. I appreciate seeing the work others do ESPECIALLY when the work is done by the owner. Modified cars have zero interest for me so this is where I belong, interest wise.

The forum is a valuable part of the AACA experience both for acquiring and providing knowledge and assistance.

But it would be a lot more fun if the moderators weren't so over zealous in protecting the delicate feelings of the rest of us.

Personally I would still spring for an AACA membership even if I didn't show my cars but was a regular user of the forum. It just seems fair and it's about the same price, or less, than a case of some purely wretched craft beers..................Bob

 

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It would be interesting to get an idea of how many international members have let their membership lapse. The U.S. dollar is quite strong compared to many other currencies. This fact combined with the limited club activities in many parts may be a barrier to membership. Has the club considered a internet only form of membership ?  For non- U.S. members only, as long as you are a U.S. member the rates are quite reasonable and it's nice to get the physical magazine. Removing the need to print and mail the magazine to non U.S. members might reduce the cost barrier to potential members. I like the magazine a lot, but it ends up costing me $10.00 { Canadian} a copy. My real interest is brass era cars and there is generally very little brass era coverage in the AACA  magazine. There are a few groups; mainly small one make or one model , that offer electronic membership. It's especially attractive for the more specialised orphan car groups where the owners are here and there all over the globe. The person than can print out the articles as they choose. Or just archive them in electronic form. The AACA is a great organisation , it just seems that membership makes more sense the closer to the East or North East a person lives.  It's a big world, and there are antique cars all over it.

  Greg in Canada

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Member in the 80s for a few years, lapsed when costs of raising a young family sidelined me from the hobby - rejoined I believe in 2002, Might do lifetime this year as we have a 30th wedding anniversary coming up - and she keeps asking what I might want for a gift and who wears watches anymore...

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18 hours ago, Buffalowed Bill said:

With regards to Peter Heizmann's comments regarding the inappropriateness of starting this thread saying that starting it was "rather rude," to do so. How else would anyone in a policy making position in the AACA ever get any feedback on what non-members think? There are many more non-members out there then there are AACA members. If the AACA membership would use this type of commentary as a constructive tool, it might be able to make some changes which could translate into some new members. Changes needn't be a counter to any AACA goals. I think that many of us non-members just need to feel that this is a place that we are wanted. Like it or not, AACA membership has to understand that the forum is the pulse of dyeing segment of the old car hobby. It is the defacto mechanism which loosely binds us together. If the AACA ignores this mandate, as a unifying force, I'm afraid that this part of the hobby won't survive long.

Please explain "AACA membership has to understand that the forum is the pulse of a dyeing (sic) segment of the old car hobby".

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My honest and heartfelt posts were both deleted because they "offended" somebody. I have yet to be informed of why. This is EXACTLY why I do not join clubs. Illustrated clearly by the deletions. I suspect this one will also have a short life. There are too many people who are so full of themselves for any club to last long. I was not looking for sympathy (that can be found in the dictionary between syphilis and shit in case you were wondering), but merely illustrating why people do not generally join clubs. While I have a great respect for the admins of this forum, the deletion of posts (A.K.A. CENSORSHIP) that do not fit into someones agenda proves that my comments while honest, can not be tolerated. This is one reason our country is going the way it is. Nobody can take honesty and everyone is so afraid to be offended that they just can't be mature. Well I say Too bad! Grow up and man up for crying out loud!

 

No worries, this post will also disappear soon like the rest and no explanation will be given and without the negative, but honest experiences deleted you all can feel that the world is a utopia much like living in N. Korea. You will see what the power that be want you to see and nothing more.The PMs I received confirm that I am far from the only one who feels this way. I am the only one who speaks up about the censorship. 

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On 7/25/2016 at 6:15 PM, Peter J.Heizmann said:

This AACA Website is paid for from the dues of current AACA Members.  I have a problem with the OP in that he is requesting a poll without permission from the AACA for information coming from a person that is not even a member.  Rather rude in my opinion.

Peter J.

 

With all due respect, the "Rude" part is that posts were censored (deleted) without explanation nor warning. Calling the OP "Rude" because he used an option that was available. If you don't want polls, turn that feature off. Simply because my posts were negative, they vanished. I posted an honest answer and they were deleted. I know the real reason and who is behind it. Keep your head in the sand all you like, but this is one of many reasons that many do not join clubs. Ignoring or censoring the posts do nothing but reinforce my observations rather that using the information to help fix the problem.

 

The forums are awesome and I applaud the effort it takes. I appreciate being here and I have great respect for the admins position. Lighten up, stop catering to a few instead of the many.

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2 hours ago, Amphicar BUYER said:

My honest and heartfelt posts were both deleted because they "offended" somebody. I have yet to be informed of why. This is EXACTLY why I do not join clubs. Illustrated clearly by the deletions. I suspect this one will also have a short life. There are too many people who are so full of themselves for any club to last long. I was not looking for sympathy (that can be found in the dictionary between syphilis and shit in case you were wondering), but merely illustrating why people do not generally join clubs. While I have a great respect for the admins of this forum, the deletion of posts (A.K.A. CENSORSHIP) that do not fit into someones agenda proves that my comments while honest, can not be tolerated. This is one reason our country is going the way it is. Nobody can take honesty and everyone is so afraid to be offended that they just can't be mature. Well I say Too bad! Grow up and man up for crying out loud!

 

No worries, this post will also disappear soon like the rest and no explanation will be given and without the negative, but honest experiences deleted you all can feel that the world is a utopia much like living in N. Korea. You will see what the power that be want you to see and nothing more.The PMs I received confirm that I am far from the only one who feels this way. I am the only one who speaks up about the censorship. 

Don't you worry. Many read your post before deletion, when it happened I couldn't believe it. All the best to you. 

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In answer to Restorer32's request, Please explain "AACA membership has to understand that the forum is the pulse of a dyeing (sic) segment of the old car hobby". I don't know if substitute troubled for Dyeing would help, maybe not. The segment that I am talking about is dedicated to maintaining and restoring of original cars. I feel that restoring reached it's apex in the early 90's and has been extensively replaced by the restorod, custom and rat rod. There is no other organization that encompasses all makes and years from <25 years. I am 72 yoa when my contemporaries and I are gone there will be frightfully few people who really care about the car the way it was built. Hope this answers your question.-Bill

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I was a member of this form for about 14 years before joining the AACA.  I have enjoyed both the forum and the AACA magazine.  However, in this part of California there is no active AACA chapter.  The only benefit I get from the AACA is the magazine and the forum. 

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AACA is the 400 pound gorilla which may ultimately protect our option to drive our ancient deathtraps. Think about all the creative mischief any governmental level could conjure up to make life unpleasant and/or very expensive for us. Vigilance and AACA , my brothers and sisters. And then there is that old saying about not knowing what you have 'till its gone. Mark , where in California is Galt ?  - Carl

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3 minutes ago, C Carl said:

 Mark , where in California is Galt ?  - Carl

 

Galt is located in central California about 25 miles south of Sacramento. 

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9 hours ago, Amphicar BUYER said:

I am the only one who speaks up about the censorship

 

Don't forget me. I also howl into the wind................Bob

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21 minutes ago, C Carl said:

AACA is the 400 pound gorilla which may ultimately protect our option to drive our ancient deathtraps.

 

I'm not holding my breath on that.  The number of old car enthusiasts is minuscule as compared to the general driving population.  The majority will rule.  I support SEMA, which seems to have done far more in protecting the rights of the enthusiast (and that's ALL automotive enthusiasts, not just the minor segment represented by AACA).

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23 minutes ago, C Carl said:

AACA is the 400 pound gorilla which may ultimately protect our option to drive our ancient deathtraps. Think about all the creative mischief any governmental level could conjure up to make life unpleasant and/or very expensive for us.

 

Carl makes a very good point for us or any group with a particular interest banding together.  Joe is correct that SEMA does seem to appear in the press more but I still think the AACA is the club of record for antique car enthusiasts and we may need the strength in numbers someday, Todd C 

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11 minutes ago, poci1957 said:

 

Carl makes a very good point for us or any group with a particular interest banding together.  Joe is correct that SEMA does seem to appear in the press more but I still think the AACA is the club of record for antique car enthusiasts and we may need the strength in numbers someday, Todd C 

SEMA has to do more, peoples jobs and the aftermarket  industry as a whole depends on it, AACA is a hobby club. I've been an AACA member since the 1970's if it matters to anyone. Bob

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Not to further digress this thread but I do think AACA might be very relevant in protecting our rights as CCarl points out.  Joe, I understand your logic but what we really see in activism I think, is not raw numbers but critical mass of activists - those willing to be vocal/organized and focused on a given effort.  This is how one protects one's rights - or drives change down the throats of an unsuspecting/busy/less engaged majority.  I think AACA is about the best vehicle for this and it is important leadership understands this, I get the club wants to tread carefully, but I hope they are there to step up and take a stand as needed down the road, meaning getting more involved politically if necessary.

 

On the value of this forum, well worth "carrying" non-members, IMHO.  Promotes the hobby, the club and provides another outlet for old car enthusiasts. Plus, as AJ points out the occasional visitor can add a lot of interest.

 

Alarming to see all of the accounts of modifieds creeping in - hoping the club stays true to its mission and is not seduced by the pressure to grow in order to survive; I think doing what AACA has done best for decades is the right approach,  Don't see many, but do see some leadership (aside from Steve and West who at the end of the day take direction from the BOD) on here - I think it is a good cross section of the hobby so hopefully someone is looking.  

 

Data from members or potential members should be valuable for a lot of reasons. I really cannot see the problem with this thread or poll.  Seems like a common concern is limits placed on forum members - I will say there are lots of online alternatives these days, much more so then when this forum was initially launched.   I get the need for certain limits but to the degree active users can do things like start a thread like this, I think makes sense.  I happen to believe it is a marketing tool for AACA - especially for younger, PC oriented members.  Anyone who thinks the under 40 crowd is not interested in this stuff should check out the FB page maintained by MBillymerMD, focused on stock prewar cars for younger hobbyists.  The great content and how fast it is growing seems to suggest some interest out there - a good thing!

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Just a quick note to say we (AACA) our members of SEMA and have a close relationship with SEMA Action Network, the legislative branch of SEMA.  Colby Martin who heads up that effort is a great friend to us and is usually at our annual meeting in Philadelphia.  In fact, Colby has an article coming out in our magazine soon.

 

 AACA has a VP of Legislation to keep us informed as to what we need to do (as a 501 C 3 we have to be careful in this area) and our Executive Vice President Tom Cox is a long time legislative activist. 

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To those who seem to be offended at non-members participating...

How do you think you can attract new members if you don't invite them to participate? It's clear from many comments that the AACA has virtually no presence in much of the country... or if so, a limited one based on a local region that may or may not be committed to the preservation point of view. That is certainly the case where I live. I don't have the time or money to travel hundreds of miles, stay in hotels and eat out to attend a car show and the truth is, with the overwhelming preponderance of post-war cars now, I've little incentive for going even if they were close. This is not, as one person on this forum actually said some time ago, "A Rich Man's Hobby."

 

Whatever it costs to maintain this forum, I doubt that allowing non-members to participate is adding to that cost in any measurable way. If I had to pay to join, I'd pass. I do understand the political aspect but I'd rather donate some money to a PAC focused on maintaining our rights than join a club.

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2 hours ago, Steve_Mack_CT said:

Not to further digress this thread but I do think AACA might be very relevant in protecting our rights as CCarl points out.  

 

On the value of this forum, well worth "carrying" non-members, IMHO.  Promotes the hobby, the club and provides another outlet for old car enthusiasts. Plus, as AJ points out the occasional visitor can add a lot of interest.

 

Alarming to see all of the accounts of modifieds creeping in - hoping the club stays true to its mission and is not seduced by the pressure to grow in order to survive

 

Data from members or potential members should be valuable for a lot of reasons. I really cannot see the problem with this thread or poll. 

 

Anyone who thinks the under 40 crowd is not interested in this stuff should check out the FB page maintained by MBillymerMD, focused on stock prewar cars for younger hobbyists.  

 

Agreed on all these points Steve, well said.  Can you give me info on finding the FB page you mention?  I tried to search but came up dry, Todd C

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I am a second generation AACA Member, and pretty much grew up in the club since the early 70's, My sons like myself grew up around the club also, and now one of them is a member and owns one of my late fathers cars. While I enjoy the National and find it to be THE BEST HOBBY PUBLICATION that I subscribe to, and one of the few that I read cover to cover.  I have paid much more for shipping some parts then a membership cost.

 

Where I live on Long Island there are several regions, but never really found the 'social' connection to inspire me to be active in any of them. I do belong to one (the furthest one from my home) just because I enjoy reading the newsletter that they produce. I am a member of the Space Age Chevrolet Chapter and recently joined the Kingdom of the Sun Region in Ocala, but I really have not had the time to be active yet. I have to admit that I shared some of the same observations that Helfin expressed when I considered joining some of the regions here on Long Island. I have met people in these regions who have no idea about the National, and even complain that they have to  be a member of the National. I just realize that the Region is not for me and move on. I really never found a local AACA connection in the past 30 years, however I enjoy participating at National Events and find the travel well worth my while. I have meet those friends who share my same interest for restored original cars. Like many here expressed I find looking at street rods about as interesting as the lawn mower aisle in Home Depot, I just keep walking. I admire the AACA because it did not try to reinvent itself, the National stayed it's course. I do believe that the local regions for the most part are a little too independent, and really don't reflect the National's mission of restoration and preservation. . 

 

As far as the forums; I understand that the forums need to be open to all help promote the club, and hope some join. I also strongly feel that dues paying members should have some sort of designation indicating that they are AACA members next to their name. Instead of "Senior Member" maybe a simple heading just stating AACA Member would serve a better purpose. When I make a purchase or sell something I feel much more comfortable with a transaction with a fellow AACA Member.

The forums are really a small part of the hobby overall, It has become needed, questions and advice are more or less instant, no more sending a SSAE with a question hoping you get an answer in 2-3 weeks. For me it is something to read when I take a break to cool off, for some it seems to be their only hobby activity. While the forums are great there is a lot more out there in this hobby then sitting in front of a screen. Speaking of which I got to get back outside and get some things done 

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Steve M.  thanks for that info, I guess we forget at times the box 501 C 3 status puts one in.  No doubt this has been surfaced before but should the need ever arise, AACA might be a good vehicle to launch a sister organization with PAC and not club type governance.  Just a thought...

 

Todd see my PM, I am 90% sure I got the group name right "Generation X, Y, Z Prewar Auto Group" but I can "invite you" to the group, or you can do a "request" if you find it from my info.

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