GaryP65 Posted April 26, 2016 Share Posted April 26, 2016 So I dropped the tank tonight so I can clean it out. Other than needing new straps because the bolt snapped on one, I have a few questions; I seem to be missing the drain plug. I don't think its a regular bolt but something that 'plugs'. Is this something that Meyers has? Or can I fashion one? I'd like to also remove the gauge for cleaning. Does it screw off? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaryP65 Posted April 27, 2016 Author Share Posted April 27, 2016 (edited) Okay where are all you wash woman with responses!! Edited April 27, 2016 by GaryP65 (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R.White Posted April 27, 2016 Share Posted April 27, 2016 Hi Gary. I have the same style tank as you. There is obviously quite a bit of work to do but try not to let it get you down. The drain seems to have been torn out and that is a problem. I suppose you could try and tackle the repair yourself but it looks a bit tricky to me. I believe the straps are available and I can confirm that the gauge un screws. It may well be rusted so use a ratchet strap or something to give you the leverage without ruining the thread. Fortunately, all the parts are available from Myers. Please try to be patient with us on this forum... we do have other things to do as well! Ray. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArticiferTom Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 Hello Gary . I attached a pic of my fuel gauge ,looks to be similar . Mine was frozen , after removing and cleaning ,made some new paper and cork gasket it worked fine . the drain plug is probable 1/4" pipe thread . You have same size plugs in carbs and filters ,can get at any plumbing store . You should chase threads first with tap . But be careful with both , mine had it's hole stamped in tank and when I over tightened it cracked and leaks . By adding thread tape and loosening it is ok . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaryP65 Posted April 28, 2016 Author Share Posted April 28, 2016 So it just screws off? I was afraid that the inner working would bind as I'm turning it. For the drain, so you are saying its just a regular bolt? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spinneyhill Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 (edited) Pipe plugs normally have a tapered thread. Hence plumbing. As it screws in it gets larger in diameter so automajically tightens in the thread. As the thread is only stamped in the tank (as Tom said), use a SHORT spanner so you don't put much torque on it. No electric tools allowed! P.S. You are not allowed to say "wash woman" in these days of political correctness and non-sexist, inclusive language! P.P.S. Be patient with us! We are not all sitting here waiting for your questions. Some only look every few days. You have been lucky: Tom responded pretty soon after you asked! Hope the tank repairs go well for you. Edited April 28, 2016 by Spinneyhill (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArticiferTom Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 Yes , is keyed in neck but trim screws off . Never heard term wash woman ??? . What's that ? tom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaryP65 Posted April 28, 2016 Author Share Posted April 28, 2016 Ok, ok I was just playing around. I guess I got spoiled in the past with quick responses. I guess it's from the days when all the women would gather around the wash basin (stream or wherever) and gossip. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArticiferTom Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 gotch-ya. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaryP65 Posted April 29, 2016 Author Share Posted April 29, 2016 Not fair! I was distracted by a shiny object. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaryP65 Posted May 4, 2016 Author Share Posted May 4, 2016 Apparently a simple 3/8" bolt with some thread tape with a rubber washer did the trick. Since it wasn't too bad in there, I just use some white vinegar (2 gal.), a few small nuts, hung it from the ceiling with two straps and rocked it back and forth. 1/4 turn, let it sit overnight, rocked it some more and so on. So far looks great. Now just waiting for Myers to send me my straps and ready to plumb to the vacuum tank! Still trying to figure out the tire situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwollam Posted May 7, 2016 Share Posted May 7, 2016 All my 4 cyl DB tanks have a square head 1/4" pipe plug. I have never replaced any but I have had several of them out and back in again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
platt-deutsch Posted May 7, 2016 Share Posted May 7, 2016 My 25 DB Sedan has a 1/8 inch pipe plug. Probly measures about 1/4 inch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwollam Posted May 8, 2016 Share Posted May 8, 2016 Yeah, I think you are right! That always throws me. I blame some of it on having to use reading glasses for up close. I used to be able to see the correct size for a bolt, nut, wrench until glasses. Now I always seem to grab a 9/16th to use on a 1/2" head. With glasses, things look bigger than they are. If it is a hidden bolt I can still "feel it" for the correct size wrench. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaryP65 Posted May 8, 2016 Author Share Posted May 8, 2016 Yes, let's blame the glasses 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwollam Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 My Dad used to put his bi-focals on upside down to work under dashes. Now I understand why! It's a b!#ch gettin' old isn't it!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nearchoclatetown Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 David, if those glasses make everything look bigger maybe I need to get my wife a pair. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaryP65 Posted May 10, 2016 Author Share Posted May 10, 2016 Too funny! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaryP65 Posted May 13, 2016 Author Share Posted May 13, 2016 So I didn't like the way the white vinegar worked. it seemed to make more rust rather than clean it!. I found that WD40 makes a rust bath so 4 gallons later, the tank looks great. I cleaned that out with regular WD40 and a few days later it still looks great. So, new fuel line from front to back, fill it up with gas, primed the tank and started her up. after some time it died. i assume that the vacuum tank ran out so I'm wondering if maybe there is a vacuum leak or the tank is just not sucking it up the tube in the tank. Can someone clarify exactly whats inside the tank? Is it just a tube to the bottom? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cahartley Posted May 13, 2016 Share Posted May 13, 2016 Just a tube to the bottom. I'm not sure if it's a steel or non-ferrous tube but if it's steel it could have pin holes in it after umpteen years. I ran into that with a Rumely tractor I had. It would pump fuel and then, out of the blue, stop pumping...... I've owned other Rumelys so I knew what's inside and, sure enough, the 1/4" black pipe had measles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R.White Posted May 13, 2016 Share Posted May 13, 2016 The pipe had rusted through on mine so I replaced it. I posted a thread about restoring my vac tank with pictures showing how I made and fitted a simple up stand which also acted as a filter. It is unlikely to get blocked like the original filter. You may find the bottom of the tank itself is corroded. Hopefully it is not as far gone as mine was! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayG Posted May 13, 2016 Share Posted May 13, 2016 Check all of your connections. Any slight leakage will cause the vacuum tank to lose prime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaryP65 Posted May 13, 2016 Author Share Posted May 13, 2016 It was hard getting the one on the main tank but they are all tight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaryP65 Posted May 20, 2016 Author Share Posted May 20, 2016 So in another post I noted that to confirm that gas is getting to the vacuum tank I used clear tubing and the vacuum tank seems to be working. Working so well that now I have gas pouring out of the carburetor. It will only run for a few seconds now. My thinking is that before I switched to the main gas tank, I used a gas can with tubing to the vacuum tank. The tubing ID was bigger than the ID of the fuel line running to the tank so now I think it's sucking a lot more gas. Thoughts? Carburetor issue? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cahartley Posted May 20, 2016 Share Posted May 20, 2016 (edited) Where, exactly, at the carburetor is gas leaking? Is it overflowing the gas bowl or puking out the air inlet? Have you seen that? >>> http://www.hudsonterraplane.com/tech/1927/StewartWarnerVacuumTank2-11-27.pdf Edited May 20, 2016 by cahartley (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaryP65 Posted May 20, 2016 Author Share Posted May 20, 2016 (edited) Looks like it's coming out of the air inlet The action of the tank is working and the float is good. Same for the carb float. What I don't understand is that it ran perfectly with a gas can attached to the vacuum. Edited May 20, 2016 by GaryP65 (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cahartley Posted May 20, 2016 Share Posted May 20, 2016 In that case it seems the flapper valve inside the tank is not closing properly. Does the engine choke itself off? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaryP65 Posted May 21, 2016 Author Share Posted May 21, 2016 The flapper was in good working order moving freely. It will only start with the choke all the way in. Pulling out will shut it off. At least that was the case when it was getting fuel from the gas can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cahartley Posted May 21, 2016 Share Posted May 21, 2016 Can you plumb the gas can directly to the carb leaving the vacuum tank out of the equation? Placing the gas can higher than the carb of course....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaryP65 Posted May 22, 2016 Author Share Posted May 22, 2016 I can but why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cahartley Posted May 22, 2016 Share Posted May 22, 2016 To determine if it's the tank or the carb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaryP65 Posted May 22, 2016 Author Share Posted May 22, 2016 Now that I think about it, I did that a long time ago and it flooded the carb so I put a new float in the carb. Once it sucked it out of the can, it poured out of everywhere. That was before I tore the vacuum apart. Also, like I pointed out previous, I used a clear tube and the vacuum was pulling gas from the tank. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R.White Posted May 22, 2016 Share Posted May 22, 2016 Unless I am mistaken, your problem could be a faulty needle valve in the carb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cahartley Posted May 23, 2016 Share Posted May 23, 2016 ^ That's where I was going with my question........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R.White Posted May 23, 2016 Share Posted May 23, 2016 2 hours ago, cahartley said: ^ That's where I was going with my question........ Sorry, my friend. It 's your call. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaryP65 Posted May 23, 2016 Author Share Posted May 23, 2016 Yeah, that's what I was thinking. I need to download that printing on the carb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cahartley Posted May 24, 2016 Share Posted May 24, 2016 21 hours ago, R.White said: Sorry, my friend. It 's your call. Not at all........yours IS a good call....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaryP65 Posted May 25, 2016 Author Share Posted May 25, 2016 So, you're saying that if I plumb it directly to the carb and it runs fine then it's the tank? And if not its the carb? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spinneyhill Posted May 25, 2016 Share Posted May 25, 2016 Fuel coming out of the air inlet on carb. = flooding. You say the float is working = floating. Is the needle valve it operates working? It will be located at the fuel inlet to the carb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cahartley Posted May 26, 2016 Share Posted May 26, 2016 12 hours ago, GaryP65 said: So, you're saying that if I plumb it directly to the carb and it runs fine then it's the tank? And if not its the carb? Yes....... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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