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For years my 1924-45 had a second spare tire "strapped" to the first spare tire, which was mounted to the spare tire carrier.

 

The "Straps" have broken, were tossed, or have just plain vanished over time.  I may just try to find new straps, to replace them.

 

My 27-54CC has dual spares, but it has 3 brackets made to hold the second spare.  I don't have these brackets for the 24-45, and I am interested in how you mount a second spare, or other ideas you might have to do so.

 

How do you attach your second spare tire to your tire carrier?

 

 

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The most common way back in those days was a Duplex Spare Tire Carrier.  However, you will have a problem with using one of those because of the tail light being mounted in the center of the existing carrier.  From looking at your photo it is obvious that you have the correct spare rim needed to fit your wheels, so, the logical solution would be to find the extension arms to tie in with the carrier that is mounted to your car.  If you felt like moving the tail light then the Duplex Carrier would

be a nice solution for what you are wanting to do.  Something to think about.

 

Terry Wiegand

South Hutchinson, Kansas

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Thanks Terry,

 

Was there no taillight used on the year of the Buick picture you posted?

 

Where would be an accepted location to move my taillight, if I decided to?  I have not seen the taillight in any other location on the mid 1920's Buicks, other than in the center of the spare...

 

Also, do you feel the Duplex Spare Tire Carrier or the extension arms to fit my existing carrier, are still available?

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The car in my photo is our 1916 D-45.  The photo was taken after I got the car back from having the new top put on it along with a full set of side curtains and having the car completely re-upholstered.  You are very observant - there is no tail light on the carrier in this photo.  The car came from Flint with one tail light only.  It was mounted on the driver side of the license plate bar in the center of the spare tire carrier.  The tail light on this car was just that - a light.  I am sure that someone on here will correct me if I'm not, but, I believe Buick automobiles did not come from the factory with a brake light until the 1928 models.  Also 1923 was the year that the tail light moved to the center of the tire carrier.  There are two Duplex carriers listed on eBay right now.  Not sure of their size ranges though.  The extension arms are something that you will need to get the word out that you are looking for.  Those are probably going to be hard to find.  You will never know until you start looking and asking.

 

Terry Wiegand

South Hutchinson, Kansas

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Don,

Restoration hardware http://www.restorationstuff.com/pdf/RestorationSupplyCompany.pdf has leather strap material, buckles, and rivets if you wanted to make new leather straps.  If you use leather instead of metal brackets, the problem is, How do you pull it tight so that the second tire does not droop below the first tire.  The use of a standard buckle makes it kind of hard.  They do have a break over latch on page 49 that is very interesting and looks cool.  It comes with some strap material but maybe you could remove it and use strap length to what you need.   There are several rivet options available.  I have also seen rivet nuts and a pan head screw used so you can take the rivet apart. 

 

I like that your bumper is extended to include both tires.  It makes a very nice look. 

Hugh

 

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You might look at a large leather dog collar.

 

Look here:  http://www.amazon.com/Perris-Leather-Collar-Black-19-23-Inch/dp/B004BPUN2K/ref=sr_1_13?ie=UTF8&qid=1464402221&sr=8-13&keywords=leather+dog+collars+for+large+dogs

 

This is what I use for my spare tire on the truck.  Looks same as "correct" straps at 1/2 the price.

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How do you fit this duplex tire carrier on the original carrier? I would suppose this would create a difference on the diameters: the 2nd spare rim in one side, and the original carrier in the other side (not the 1st spare rim).

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JRA:

 I am sure there are those out there with examples who can chime in. The only thing I have are photos of some examples. I would like to do the same for my 1925-45 but I have a full width WEED bumper.

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 A 1924-45 I bid on with a non-Buick accessory double carrier and reconfigured tail and brake lights.

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Shown with the "Bass Drum" tire cover. Which to me looked awful.

 The photos below show the added pieces used by the factory. So the the second spare rides on the rivetted-on supports. Not another ring. The second outer spare rides on this "rack" structure.

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 The same car as above with it's "Bass Drum" cover and too tall trunk.

1978191662_1924-buick-model-55-sports-touring-automobile-11.jpg.f95d98d96fdff16bcb438fcaad0dee3b.jpgThe top down appearance with the too tall trunk looked quite silly not Sporty.

 

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Period ad for a 1924-55. All period ads I have seen show separate tire covers.

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1925-55 with the double set up.

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Great info, dibarlaw! Do you have detail pictures of the one used on the 1925-55 ?

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There are several "Duplex " tire carriers for sale on Ebay.  These are aftermarket and appear to interfere with the location of the original tail light or the license plate.  Original tire carrier extension brackets would be difficult to find, but replicas would not be too difficult to reproduce from originals, or using the parts book for reference.  The original steel ones are better than leather straps.  At minimum, replicate the upper tire holders from the parts book and that will keep the 2 tires aligned and you will not be as likely to loose one if a leather strap breaks. 

Odd that the model 45 is not listed for having a tire extension in the 1924 parts list.  Only the 128" wheelbase and sport models.  My 1925 Standard shows a tire extension as being available.  Maybe I need to borrow these original brackets so that I can draw them for patterns.   Below are 1925 Standard spare tire extension parts. Hugh

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When you draw these patterns and take original measurements, please share with us!

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JRA:

Unfortunately all I have are photos. As far as dimensions for the individual components I believe the 1924 6 and 1925 Master size would be only about 1 inch longer as compared to the Standard 4" rim width to accommodate the wider rims. I am speaking of my 22" Balloon style rims for the 1925 as they are 4 1/2" wide. 1924 may have narrower rims because they were still running high pressure tires. Also the profile of my tires would be wider. Lower pressure Balloon. I believe 1923 would be the same since they used the same rim.180940_Rear_3-4_Web.jpg.304680151296a4a53e2f4c12af6ed839.jpg

1923-55

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1923-55 I considered buying. Looks to be missing the bottom extension.

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I have a Duplex like the top pic Hugh posted. 
 

I can get it to work on my 1923 Model 45 but to do so it’s at a goofy clocked position. Not straight up and down.  If I was going on a safari I could make it work.  I did a 1485 mile circle tour of Lake Michigan solo and never had a single issue with anything but brought my rim spreader just in case and just the single spare. B08E1126-1F60-432D-BF38-E85AB23F232E.jpeg.5495ea405392999404b784f98a7ef80c.jpeg

I’ve had two flats in 25 years where I’ve had to use the single spare.  One was a pinched tube that took a year to fail the other was a year or two ago where I ran over a bolt as long as your pinky. The car started to hop. That darn bolt was so big, it made two holes in the tube one on the tread side going in and another on the other side leaving the tube.  Patched the entry hole but couldn’t figure out why it still leaked. Never saw that before. 

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Reminds me how “easy” is to change a flat tire in a 1920s car...

(1) or hard to remove rims from the wheels;

(2) or heavy wheels with many bolts, without any guide to simplify the alignment

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Easy! Tried to remove the rear wheel from my 1925 Master the other day. First I tried to take off the tire and rim. I had to use a hammer and a block of wood then tire spoons to pry it off the wheel felloe. The rim was well over 1/8" out of round. The other side slipped off without difficulty. So nice round rims are a factor for success. Then comes the removal of a tire if one needs to patch a tube. I would love to see anyone try the removal and re-install of a tire using only the lug wrench/rim lock tool as outlined in the illustration of 11 easy steps.

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 Using a rim spreader tire spoons etc. it is still quite a chore.

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     I got a kick out of reading this long thread about dual spares.  The reason for having dual spares back in the day was because tires and tubes were prone to failure due to the early rubber compounds.  Today we have much more reliable rubber compounds that have virtually eliminated flats for hundreds of miles.  In my 30+ years of touring, I have yet to see anyone needing both spares to complete a day of touring. If dual spares were original to your car, have at it.  And if your car came with just one spare, there is little reason to add one.

     Two of my early Buicks have clincher type wheels.  These cars have no separable rim on which to mount a spare tire, so carrying a spare tube is all that is necessary to fix a flat on the road.  However, I did have a blow-out once and ended up on the trouble trailer.  That evening I was able to borrow a used tire from a friend and was back on the road the next day.  Now I carry a spare tire in my car trailer too.

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With regard to Larry D's posting there is one thing that I have tried in the past and I am here to say that it works.  On the rear axle for the '16 that I so very recently worked with, I needed to remove the tires and split rims so that the wheels could be removed.  I removed all of the rim bolts and rim wedges and the one tire was not coming off the felloe anytime in my lifetime.  I thought about just how that this tire and rim was going to come off the wheel.  A 5-pound sledge with a rag-wrapped block of wood on the inside of the tire did absolutely nothing toward moving the tire.  So, I thought, I'll show you buster.  I removed the valve stem core and completely deflated the tire and the rim slipped right off the felloe like it had grease on it.  I'm thinking that 70 pounds of pressure caused the rim to deflect slightly and it wasn't going to come off in any manner.  When I put the tire and rim back on the wheel I left it deflated and lightly tightened the rim wedges and then filled it to the 70 pounds that was needed.  Worked like a charm.  An out-of-round or bent split rim will cause all kinds of grief.  I do not think that this rim is bent, twisted, or out of round.  It just doesn't take very much at all to really cause a sticking situation.  Changing one of these tires on a really cold, or hot day, on a muddy road doesn't excite me in the slightest.  Mark Shaw wrote the book on how to change tires on split rims.  Ask me how I know this🤣.

 

Terry Wiegand

South Hutchinson, Kansas

AACA Life Member #947918

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Speaking of round rims.  Be careful if you have/ use a rim spreader to get a split rim ends back lining up/together. You can egg shape a good rim very easily.  The trick is a slight advance on the spreader and then tap all around the rim with a mallet so the load of the spreader is equalized to the friction of the tube and tire on the rim.  Things need to slide and stretch 360 degrees around. A little more spreader, a little more tapping. Be as gentle as you can be.  Baking soda or baby powder on the tube is a must.  Talc is off the market now. 

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2 hours ago, Mark Shaw said:

     I got a kick out of reading this long thread about dual spares.  The reason for having dual spares back in the day was because tires and tubes were prone to failure due to the early rubber compounds.  Today we have much more reliable rubber compounds that have virtually eliminated flats for hundreds of miles.  In my 30+ years of touring, I have yet to see anyone needing both spares to complete a day of touring. If dual spares were original to your car, have at it.  And if your car came with just one spare, there is little reason to add one.

     Two of my early Buicks have clincher type wheels.  These cars have no separable rim on which to mount a spare tire, so carrying a spare tube is all that is necessary to fix a flat on the road.  However, I did have a blow-out once and ended up on the trouble trailer.  That evening I was able to borrow a used tire from a friend and was back on the road the next day.  Now I carry a spare tire in my car trailer too.

Said the man who sold me the Duplex tire mount contraption I now own. LOL. 

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Thanks to Brian Meek, I can provide drawings for the parts to install a proper Buick double tire carrier.  In the process of making these drawings and looking in the Big parts book, I found one of the casting numbers.   I originally thought (as did Brian) that this was for a Buick Standard, but now I find that this is a Buick Master tire carrier set.  The difference is the rim is 1/2" wider on a Standard than a Master.   My suggestion if you wanted to make these parts is casting in bronze, or fabricate from steel and have a welder attach the webbing.  These parts would be much safer than leather straps.   Hugh

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