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Is anyone familiar with or has anyone bought a car through a consignment dealer called
"Classic Car Deals" located in Cadillac, Michigan up near Traverse City? 

http://www.classiccardeals.com/Default.aspx

 

They have a car listed which I am interested in, but I experienced a rather "odd" phone conversation with someone with a lot of what seemed "canned" background noise.  But what was of concern was that I think they didn't want to let me speak to the car's owner or give me his location until I paid them $1000 as a refundable deposit.  

 

Frankly, before I give anyone money, I need to know the car exists and the owner is a real person in a real place.  Too many scams around to just toss around a Grand.

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Is anyone familiar with or has anyone bought a car through a consignment dealer called

"Classic Car Deals" located in Cadillac, Michigan up near Traverse City? 

http://www.classiccardeals.com/Default.aspx

 

They have a car listed which I am interested in, but I experienced a rather "odd" phone conversation with someone with a lot of what seemed "canned" background noise.  But what was of concern was that I think they didn't want to let me speak to the car's owner or give me his location until I paid them $1000 as a refundable deposit.  

 

Frankly, before I give anyone money, I need to know the car exists and the owner is a real person in a real place.  Too many scams around to just toss around a Grand.

Don't walk, run from this dealer or we will be reading a post from you in the future wanting to know how to get your money back. Wayne

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What  Wayne said - read their FAQ page. They will not let you talk to the owner so they control the sale. They claim that the owner consigns with them to avoid talking to you. It is also apparent that they have never seen the car so it will be a long back and forth. All they do is list and run interference.

 

Why anyone would ever consign with them .... who knows ?

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Sounds like a great racket, as Big Al in Chicago used to say. If all of the 70,000 AACA forum members inquire about one of their cars(like the 1979 Toyota Corolla they have for 7 grand), and ask to speak with the owner, they pocket 70 million bucks and we wait to see how long till we get our deposits back...if it was a car we decided not to buy. 

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That's exactly why my clients work with me--they don't want to deal with the process or the buyers, they just want the car to go away. I don't think I'm doing anything shady by providing such a service and respecting their privacy. When you bought your house, did you demand to speak to the people who lived there or did you talk to your realtor to get answers? Did you do an end-run around the realtor and cut a deal directly with the homeowners or did you tell your realtor how much you were offering and he/she went to the sellers and handled the transaction (cue the irrelevant anecdotal story from the guy who bought a FSBO). There's absolutely nothing wrong with sellers who don't want to participate the process of selling a car and nothing wrong with a dealer acting as an intermediary between the public and that seller. If you have questions, I'll answer them or I'll get the answer and report back to you, but I'm not going to put every tire-kicker who calls through to someone who doesn't want to be bothered by them. On average, it usually takes 40-50 inquiries to get each car sold. Should every one of those guys get a direct line to the seller just to get answers that I can supply?

 

Alternatively, if you're 95% sure you want the car, and a talk with the owner is what would cement the deal for you, we can make it happen (as can this dealer, I'm sure). But for a general inquiry or a maybe-just-kind-of-interested inquiry? How is the owner telling you something more critical than the same information coming from a dealer? Up front isn't the time to demand to talk to an owner, it's the last step once you've covered everything else you can with the dealer, including a personal inspection, and are 95% certain you want the car.

 

So no, I don't think it's "running interference" and controlling the situation. It's protecting a client's privacy and handling the sale in a professional manner. I also deliver value above and beyond simply being a money-handler. International shipping? No problem. Financing? Can do! Trades? Yes, I'll take that and give you this. Follow-up service? If the car isn't what I said it is, I'll make it right, no questions asked.

 

A deposit demonstrates the seriousness of the buyer before they spend the time and get the owner involved. If I called a car owner every time someone inquired about their car, my clients would have to have a special Bat-Phone hotline from my desk to theirs. The refundable deposit merely weeds out the dreamers and tire-kickers (not that Scott is such a person, but that's the intent of the refundable deposit). And if you put it on your credit card, you have an easy way to get it back if things go sideways.

 

In several situations when someone absolutely, positively HAD to talk to an owner before they would conclude the deal, I asked the owner if they would be amenable to it. They usually are. However, I'll also say that in every single one of those cases, at some point the potential buyer said to the owner, "Hey, what does it take to buy that car, you know, skip the sales guy's commission and all, just cash money between you and me?" It's why my marketing agreement has a termination clause that pays me a significant chunk of change if the owner decides to play those games. I work hard for my money, I'm honest, and I deliver results for my sellers and quality cars for my buyers. I'm allowed to get paid, even if the buyer thinks he shouldn't have to pay for those services.

 

I don't know this dealer, I'm not defending him or condemning him. I'm just saying that what he does and his procedure is not out of the ordinary and doesn't suggest that he's in the business of collecting deposits and disappearing with them. He's just trying to keep the vast majority of inquiries that go nowhere from overwhelming his clients.

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That's exactly why my clients work with me--they don't want to deal with the process or the buyers, they just want the car to go away....

 

So no, I don't think it's "running interference" and controlling the situation. It's protecting a client's privacy and handling the sale in a professional manner. 

 

That seller's practice, in my opinion,

amounts to a $1000 charge to talk to the car's owner!

At least it's refundable, so he's evidently not out

simply to make money from deposits.  

 

Matt's method above probably works for a lot of people.

In buying antique cars, I've always purchased from owners.

Talking to an owner, you can sense whether he's being

honest or evasive;  how much he knows about the car;

how well he has cared for the car.  Then if you buy it,

much of that knowledge can be passed on to you.

If he has owned the car for 20 years, been enthusiastic in the hobby,

and put money into it for the love of it, he's my kind of guy! 

Going through a middleman reduces this helpful

interaction and assessment of the owner.

 

Just as owners often want their long-time loves to go to

a good home, so careful buyers may want a car that HAD a good home.

 

I wouldn't mind dealing with a conscientious dealer, but

I'd have dozens of questions for him to relay to the owner.

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After further investigation, I suspect "Classic Car Deals" isn't

really a dealer, but is more of a secondary listing service

that somehow is trying to get a commission from

ads placed legitimately elsewhere.

His website claims that he has 976 Chevrolets

and 705 Fords currently in stock--among others!

Clearly he doesn't know all those cars and

can't tell an prospective buyer all about them as a dealer could.

 

I think he just compiled, unasked, the information

from other ads.  I wouldn't go through him.

 

Here's a clue:  I searched Google Images to see whether "his"

photos were listed elsewhere.  An example:  a brown 1970 Buick

Electra convertible which he "lists" is also listed on our AACA Forum

and www.carsforsale.com.

 

Compare these two listings:

 

http://forums.aaca.org/topic/260289-1970-buick-electra-225/

 

http://www.classiccardeals.com/Vehicle/location-Cadillac-Michigan-vehiclesforsale/121681/1970-Buick-Electra-225-Convertible.aspx

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Matt,

 

Unless I am mistaken I believe that you have at least seen the cars that you list. They make it clear that the cars are not at their location but are still with the owners. I don't think that they have actually seen any of the cars.

 

John_S_in_Penna

 

" I wonder whether all those car owners really have listed their cars with him;  or whether he's just a  secondary listing service that, unasked, compiled the information from other ads and is trying to make a commission."

 

I think that is the case. Last summer I went to look at a car and the owner asked how I knew it was for sale as he had pulled it off Craigslist several months before. It was on one of the more well known sites but listed by  a broker. It did have an email link and listed where the car was located but he had no idea that there was a live ad. He had had a call when he first listed it offering to list the car for a $400 fee. He declined but they apparently listed it anyway. Odd way to do business.

 

Just my two cents.

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A quick text to the seller in Phoenix confirms he is working with the dealer in Michigan. This must be what happens when you respond to those people who e-mail you saying "let me help you sell your car".

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Did you know that, with Google, you can search PICTURES?

This technique is handy.

 

I don't mean search FOR a picture;  I mean actually search

pictures.

 

If you go to Google Images, and then click on the little

"camera" symbol in the search box, you can then 

specify a URL (website address).  Instead, I specify a file name

which I had saved on my computer--say a picture of the

brown 1970 Buick Electra (to which I referred in Posting #9 above).

 

Google will then tell you all the places on the internet

where that photo is.

 

That way, I was able to see that the photos which Classic Car Deals

claimed as their own were also posted on other websites.

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I do not understand how this guy can list a car for sale at a price higher than the  owner/seller has it listed elsewhere?

 

Once he gets someone on the hook does he then buy the car from the owner/seller at a price lower than the owner/seller has it listed, or does he call the owner/seller and say I have a buyer for your car at X dollars?

 

I can't imagine him listing cars for sale without authorization from the owner/seller?

 

More info is needed, it seems?

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I do not understand how this guy can list a car for sale at a price higher than the  owner/seller has it listed elsewhere?

 

I called up that dealer (broker) and asked about his services.

I detected nothing shady, though I can't vouch for their character.

He said that the price difference was how they made their money.

 

He said they call car sellers and get their permission to list with them.

 

For example, the brown 1970 Buick Electra convertible is for sale

by the owner--on our own Forum!--for $14,400, yet Classic Car Deals

has $16,995 posted on their website for the very same car.

I don't see any value in their services, since the cars are already listed

elsewhere for less! 

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I like the layout of the website.

 

But cars are pretty easy to find online. Probably the absolute best idea would be paying me $1,000 a day plus expenses to help you find and thoroughly inspect the car you want. I can usually free up the time on short notice.

 

I am a real pain when it comes to details so when I read this "Classic Car Deals was created to help one Enthusiast Purchase there Dream Car from another Enthusiast." on the site the tips of my ears vibrated.

 

For a long time I have said, you have to look at 100 cars to find a good one. Screening a bunch online sure helps.

Bernie

Classic Car Deals was created to help one Enthusiast Purchase there Dream Car from another Enthusiast.Classic Car Deals was created to help one Enthusiast Purchase there Dream Car from another Enthusiast."Classic Car Deals was created to help one Enthusiast Purchase there Dream Car from another Enthusiast.Classic Car Deals was created to help one Enthusiast Purchase there Dream Car from another Enthusiast.

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I called about a car and they were very enthusiastic about helping until said I wanted to pay for an inspection first and they said they could work with that but had to give the "refundable" deposit first and would get back to me which they never did. Sounds shady.

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5 hours ago, audiobag said:

I called about a car and they were very enthusiastic about helping until said I wanted to pay for an inspection first and they said they could work with that but had to give the "refundable" deposit first and would get back to me which they never did. Sounds shady.

 

I agree that that's a bad practice:  It's like you're almost committing

to buying the car before you can inspect it!  Clearly it should be

the other way around.

 

Remember:  They don't have the car.  And from what we've seen,

they're DUPLICATING the owner's selling effort, not selling for him on consignment.

The car is probably for sale by the owner somewhere else on the internet.

 

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Just came across this, My name is John Beebe Owner of Classic Car Deals http://www.classiccardeals.com/Default.aspx

and Live Auto Auctions http://www.liveautoauctions.com/Default.aspx

Check out my reviews on Cars.com here is direct link https://www.cars.com/dealers/5366553/classic-car-deals/reviews/

Yes true I represent the owner and every owner that I sell for gives me permission to sell and market there vehicle. Everyone has a option to view the cars first. But we are a honest company that if a car is not what the owner says it is, And the owner does not help out with the problems that was not mentioned then we do. We want every customer to be happy with there purchase. So give us a try, please just dont assume we are shady, I have a showroom with about 20 cars that we own the rest are owned by our clients and the cars stay at there house. See the photos below.

Yes we make a commission in the middle but your money is safe with us. If you buy a car off craigslist and the owner does not tell you right about the car I guarantee in most cases the seller will not care and leave you hanging. Not me, we have never been to court.  So any how. we are the most legit company you will find. Thanks and Have a Merry Christmas

 

 

 

 

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I would like to Add we have 1000's of happy buyers and sellers all over the USA, Its free to consign to our site and we pay all the advertising cost on 75 plus websites. if the owner sells it on there own they dont owe us a dime even though i spent money advertising the vehicle. If I sell to one of my buyers Yes CCD makes commission. But dealing with a Bonded Licensed company you are protected. and we stand by our Satisfaction Guaranteed.

 

Quick Story

I had a car once I sold for a client in California, Buyer asked about Rust, We asked the owner they said NO. We told the buyer NO. he got the car and there was Rust. Owner stuck his tail between his legs and ran away, But not us. I stepped up to the plate and bought the car back and resold explaining where the rust was. I lost Money yes but I am honest and Dont lie. Unless the Owner Lies to me. Unfortunately everyone is not honest in this world, but not me. My Word is My Word. this is just one bad case of a seller out of 100's of good sellers.

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