Bevans077 Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 Back story, my grandpa bought this car for my grandma. He only drive it a few times before sending it to be repainted, grandma never rode in it. This guy took every nut and bolt apart and left it sit for years. So they demanded the parts back and got everything except the body. It has been sitting in storage for the past 12 years and my grandmother told me I could have it under one condition, that I give her her first ride in it when it's back together. I only have 3 polaroids of the car together and my dad is telling me it's a phaeton, so my questions are...How can I tell if it is a phaeton?Does anyone have references or even detailed pictures to help me put it back together? Any advise would help greatly! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keiser31 Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 (edited) If you provide some photos of what you have, we can probably help you out. It should look like this if it is a real 1929 Chrysler Model 75 phaeton.... Where are you located? Maybe a trip to your place is in order. Edited October 29, 2015 by keiser31 (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bevans077 Posted October 29, 2015 Author Share Posted October 29, 2015 I am in hartville Ohio, I can post what I have when I get home tonight, it has the top up. Sedan conv. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
28 Chrysler Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 Chrysler made only 248 five passenger phaetons and 11 in the seven passenger version. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keiser31 Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 Ooops. I made a slight mistake. I showed the tonneau phaeton with the dual cowl/windshield. They also made a touring car with no rear windshield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bevans077 Posted October 29, 2015 Author Share Posted October 29, 2015 So what makes it a 7 pass car? 3rd row of seats? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keiser31 Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 So what makes it a 7 pass car? 3rd row of seats?The seven passenger has two jump seats right behind the front seat and in front of the rear seat. Two passengers in the front, two in the jump seats and three in the rear seat = seven passengers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bevans077 Posted October 29, 2015 Author Share Posted October 29, 2015 Before it was taken appart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keiser31 Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 (edited) Man, you have a VERY rare car there....the real car differs from the artist's rendering slightly. Edited October 29, 2015 by keiser31 (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keiser31 Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 (edited) Here are a couple more convertible sedans....most 1929 Model 75s had ten spoked wood wheels. Edited October 29, 2015 by keiser31 (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Restorer32 Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 I'm confused. You did get the body back eventually? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpage Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 Yeah, What did they do with the body? Pretty much useless without the body! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keiser31 Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 (edited) Yeah, What did they do with the body? Pretty much useless without the body!I don't know about "pretty much useless", but it will really be difficult to move ahead on this particular project if the convertible sedan body is missing. I am fairly certain that the wheelbase is larger on that body style than the others. **I could be wrong on this because i just read in my books that the car in question is only a five passenger car. Edited October 29, 2015 by keiser31 (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bevans077 Posted October 29, 2015 Author Share Posted October 29, 2015 Still trying to get it back, the guy keeps dodging us. It's about time to get lawyers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bevans077 Posted October 29, 2015 Author Share Posted October 29, 2015 It's written down that it is a 122 in wheelbase I believe, and the wood spokes are here too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keiser31 Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 It's written down that it is a 122 in wheelbase I believe, and the wood spokes are here tooMy books state that it should be 121", but no big deal there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bevans077 Posted October 29, 2015 Author Share Posted October 29, 2015 Then it should be 121, are there any references for assembling the car? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keiser31 Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 (edited) There are no "shop" manuals, but there is an "instruction book" available on Ebay and other sites. As far as assembly instructions....nope. All you can really do is to look for a car club locally and maybe someone there can show you where things go. You can also scroll down to the Chrysler section of this forum and post questions there. You will get a lot of help there. I could probably show you where everything goes, but I am too far away. You can contact the W.P.C. Club and see if there is a local region of those folks in your area. There may even be some AACA members nearby. Edited October 29, 2015 by keiser31 (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bevans077 Posted October 29, 2015 Author Share Posted October 29, 2015 Their is a classic car museum close, maybe their is something similar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylormade Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 I sent you a private message. As a new member, if you are not familiar with PMs, check the little envelope at the top left of the page. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bevans077 Posted October 30, 2015 Author Share Posted October 30, 2015 Small chrome parts, more in the box, door panels and top, more pictures coming Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpage Posted October 30, 2015 Share Posted October 30, 2015 (edited) You're right Keiser, it may not be totally useless but where is he going to find another body if the car is so rare. Sounds like somebody's getting the runaround! Hope he can get this resolved! Edited October 30, 2015 by jpage (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keiser31 Posted October 30, 2015 Share Posted October 30, 2015 (edited) You're right Keiser, it may not be totally useless but where is he going to find another body if the car is so rare. Sounds like somebody's getting the runaround! Hope he can get this resolved!I hope he gets the original body back. I don't think there is a possibility of finding another convertible sedan body, but if the wheelbase is the same as the other body styles, perhaps a sedan, coupe or roadster body can be found. You never know. One could always build a speedster body for it. Edited October 30, 2015 by keiser31 (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bevans077 Posted October 31, 2015 Author Share Posted October 31, 2015 The rest of what I have, with mixed in model a parts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tcslr Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 I sure hope it works out for you. If possible and not too much trouble... could you send me a close photo of the carburetor? and photos of original floor mats and running board mats (if you have them) and ESPECIALLY the boots that fit over the steering column/ pedals and gear shift/parking brake? I'm kind of surprised by the distributor cap.... I'll forward a picture. I thought it was the covered style. Should be a dual point system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bevans077 Posted November 1, 2015 Author Share Posted November 1, 2015 I can get you picture of what I have, it might be a while though. There are a few crates of parts to go through, but I will see what's there. You want to compare them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tcslr Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 Yes. As it is convienent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tcslr Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 This is a picture of (a spare) distributor cap. I believe this is the correct cap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bevans077 Posted November 7, 2015 Author Share Posted November 7, 2015 It was probably changed out some time, I'm going to work on getting it together, then get original parts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bevans077 Posted December 4, 2015 Author Share Posted December 4, 2015 Here are some pics of the carb, it says zenith made in USA on the side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bevans077 Posted December 6, 2015 Author Share Posted December 6, 2015 TcslrWould this be the original set for the car? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carbking Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 (edited) Note the adapter between the Zenith carburetor and the intake. The original carb used on the model 75 was a Penberthy "cross-flange" carb. Drawing a straight line between the two mounting bolts on a cross-flange carb will result in a line in the orientation of fender to fender (can be seen in the picture on the manifold). Drawing a straight line between the two mounting bolts on a straight-flange carb will result in a line in the orientation of bumper to bumper (can be seen on the Zenith carb in the picture). Thus the necessity of the "flange adapter" pictured. My records show the model 75 used a 249 CID engine, similiar to the model 72 (export) also a 249. The model 72 used a Stromberg OX-2 carburetor, which like the domestic model 75, was a cross-flange. The original Penberthy is quite scarce (zinc alloy - pot metal, and cracked to pieces). Once you get the engine running, you might consider looking for a Stromberg OX-2 which could be calibrated specifically for the 249 CID engine, and the adapter could be eliminated. The Stromberg OX-2 is mostly brass. Jon. Edited December 7, 2015 by carbking (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bevans077 Posted December 9, 2015 Author Share Posted December 9, 2015 Thank you Jon, I will remember that when I get there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tcslr Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 Bevans077, Certainly the cap is correct. The original distributor was 659B, dual point. That housing, gear and advance arm are right, though. I'll have to check, maybe it is right for the Series 65 engine. That said, it sounds like this car was running prior to its current restoration - so it most likely works. Mr Carbking gave good information. I have a Carter BB1 on my car - that one might be easier to find. I hope you get an opportunity to get the car complete and restored. Tom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bevans077 Posted December 12, 2015 Author Share Posted December 12, 2015 CarbkingFound this one in one of my boxes of parts, any ideas what it could be to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carbking Posted December 12, 2015 Share Posted December 12, 2015 Looks like the Rayfield (Marvel/Schebler/Wizard/Johnson/some other bogus brand) aftermarket replacement for Ford model A. Jon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alfre Posted December 12, 2015 Share Posted December 12, 2015 It's a tillison for a model a ford Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bevans077 Posted December 13, 2015 Author Share Posted December 13, 2015 Thank you guys, so does that make the three spoke steering wheel a model a and the four spoke the Chrysler I need? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
28 Chrysler Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 The four spoke wheel looks like the one on my 28. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bevans077 Posted December 14, 2015 Author Share Posted December 14, 2015 Does anybody out there have good pictures of the front axle to help me assemble it? Or guidance, I think most of the peices for the axle are in the picture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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